Can I use ode under eclipse's bpel designer ?

[Van Caesar <fa...@gmail.com>]

I need an environment to use ode, design .bpel and .wsdl, then compile it.

I don't know if eclipse's bpel designer can do it. I download a bpel
designer, but I found that it's web service engine is Axis 1.3.

So I want to know whether it is useful or not. And if ode has his own
compiled environment, it is better to have a graphic developed  environment.
I think we can't write .bpel or .wsdl by handiwork. It is too original.

-- 
Van Caesar

Re: Can I use ode under eclipse's bpel designer ?

[Tammo van Lessen <tv...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

I was working with the Eclipse BPEL designer as well for the last two
weeks. The current trunk is by far more BPEL 2.0 compatible, however
it is very unstable, throws continuously exceptions, does not remember
changes on transition conditions and so on.

Anyhow, I think it would be flattering for Ode to have a runtime
provider for Eclipse BPEL, such as the implementation for ActiveBPEL
[1] that is capable to create a deployment descriptor, package all the
stuff and deploy it to Ode using the deployment API.

Regarding the assigns - there are also some oddities with Ode,
especially when having a <to>-expression pointing to a particular
element inside a complexType. This results in an error because the
xpath expression can not be resolved, even if it is a valid path.

Best regards,
  Tammo

[1] http://sse.cs.ucl.ac.uk/projects/omiibpel/downloads/ - ABR plugin

2007/7/1, Michael Horwitz <mi...@gmail.com>:
> I have used Eclipse BPEL designer fairly successfully with ode. Two minor
> issues came out:
>
> 1) Eclipse BPEL designer creates <case/> conditional sections rather than
> the <if/> sections supported by Ode - pretty easy to switch manually.
>
> 2) The assign editors in Eclipse BPEL do not work very well if you want to
> do anything more complicated than direct assignment from one variable to
> another. One particularly aggravating issue is that the editor has a habit
> of duplicating <literal/> tags on the assign every time the model is saved.
>
> These feel more like Eclipse bugs than anything to do with Ode - I'm sure
> they will be ironed out in time. I have also tried the Netbeans BPEL
> designer by with less success.
>
> Mike.
>
> On 6/29/07, Alex Boisvert <bo...@intalio.com> wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK, the Eclipse BPEL Designer should work, provided that you a) write
> > your own deployment descriptor and b) package your process and deploy them
> > manually.   There may be some minor interoperability issues but I'm sure
> > we
> > can iron those out pretty quickly.   Any takers for writing a plugin to
> > package + deploy directly to Ode?
> >
> > A free alternative is the Intalio Designer (http://bpms.intalio.com) that
> > uses the BPMN notation and generates BPEL + WSDL that's 100% compatible
> > with
> > Apache Ode.  It can package and deploy processes directly to Apache Ode
> > when
> > using the Axis2 IL.
> >
> > alex
> >
> >
> > On 6/29/07, Manolo Gomez Lopez <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was writing the same question at the moment I received this message
> > ;-)
> > >
> > > OK, apache ode seems to be a great product, I tried to write my own bpel
> > > processes and modifying my WSDL's to accomodate partnerlinktypes, but
> > I'm
> > > sure you will agree with me this is far from neither easy nor intuitive,
> > > lots of namespaces out there... ;-)
> > >
> > > I also tried to use Eclipse Bpel designer, but with little success,
> > seems
> > > to
> > > be still in early stages of development, and still it isn't intuitive
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > Do you use any graphical designer for writing your BPEL processes to be
> > > deployed on Apache ODE?
> > >
> > > Is there any tool out there wich generates BPEL files compatible with
> > > Apache
> > > ODE?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/6/29, Van Caesar <fa...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > I need an environment to use ode, design .bpel and .wsdl, then compile
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if eclipse's bpel designer can do it. I download a bpel
> > > > designer, but I found that it's web service engine is Axis 1.3.
> > > >
> > > > So I want to know whether it is useful or not. And if ode has his own
> > > > compiled environment, it is better to have a graphic
> > > > developed  environment.
> > > > I think we can't write .bpel or .wsdl by handiwork. It is too
> > original.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Van Caesar
> > > >
> > >
> >
>


-- 
Tammo van Lessen - tvanlessen@gmail.com - http://www.taval.de

Re: Can I use ode under eclipse's bpel designer ?

[Michael Horwitz <mi...@gmail.com>]

I have used Eclipse BPEL designer fairly successfully with ode. Two minor
issues came out:

1) Eclipse BPEL designer creates <case/> conditional sections rather than
the <if/> sections supported by Ode - pretty easy to switch manually.

2) The assign editors in Eclipse BPEL do not work very well if you want to
do anything more complicated than direct assignment from one variable to
another. One particularly aggravating issue is that the editor has a habit
of duplicating <literal/> tags on the assign every time the model is saved.

These feel more like Eclipse bugs than anything to do with Ode - I'm sure
they will be ironed out in time. I have also tried the Netbeans BPEL
designer by with less success.

Mike.

On 6/29/07, Alex Boisvert <bo...@intalio.com> wrote:
>
> AFAIK, the Eclipse BPEL Designer should work, provided that you a) write
> your own deployment descriptor and b) package your process and deploy them
> manually.   There may be some minor interoperability issues but I'm sure
> we
> can iron those out pretty quickly.   Any takers for writing a plugin to
> package + deploy directly to Ode?
>
> A free alternative is the Intalio Designer (http://bpms.intalio.com) that
> uses the BPMN notation and generates BPEL + WSDL that's 100% compatible
> with
> Apache Ode.  It can package and deploy processes directly to Apache Ode
> when
> using the Axis2 IL.
>
> alex
>
>
> On 6/29/07, Manolo Gomez Lopez <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was writing the same question at the moment I received this message
> ;-)
> >
> > OK, apache ode seems to be a great product, I tried to write my own bpel
> > processes and modifying my WSDL's to accomodate partnerlinktypes, but
> I'm
> > sure you will agree with me this is far from neither easy nor intuitive,
> > lots of namespaces out there... ;-)
> >
> > I also tried to use Eclipse Bpel designer, but with little success,
> seems
> > to
> > be still in early stages of development, and still it isn't intuitive
> > enough.
> >
> > Do you use any graphical designer for writing your BPEL processes to be
> > deployed on Apache ODE?
> >
> > Is there any tool out there wich generates BPEL files compatible with
> > Apache
> > ODE?
> >
> >
> >
> > 2007/6/29, Van Caesar <fa...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > I need an environment to use ode, design .bpel and .wsdl, then compile
> > it.
> > >
> > > I don't know if eclipse's bpel designer can do it. I download a bpel
> > > designer, but I found that it's web service engine is Axis 1.3.
> > >
> > > So I want to know whether it is useful or not. And if ode has his own
> > > compiled environment, it is better to have a graphic
> > > developed  environment.
> > > I think we can't write .bpel or .wsdl by handiwork. It is too
> original.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Van Caesar
> > >
> >
>

Re: Can I use ode under eclipse's bpel designer ?

[Alex Boisvert <bo...@intalio.com>]

AFAIK, the Eclipse BPEL Designer should work, provided that you a) write
your own deployment descriptor and b) package your process and deploy them
manually.   There may be some minor interoperability issues but I'm sure we
can iron those out pretty quickly.   Any takers for writing a plugin to
package + deploy directly to Ode?

A free alternative is the Intalio Designer (http://bpms.intalio.com) that
uses the BPMN notation and generates BPEL + WSDL that's 100% compatible with
Apache Ode.  It can package and deploy processes directly to Apache Ode when
using the Axis2 IL.

alex


On 6/29/07, Manolo Gomez Lopez <pe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was writing the same question at the moment I received this message ;-)
>
> OK, apache ode seems to be a great product, I tried to write my own bpel
> processes and modifying my WSDL's to accomodate partnerlinktypes, but I'm
> sure you will agree with me this is far from neither easy nor intuitive,
> lots of namespaces out there... ;-)
>
> I also tried to use Eclipse Bpel designer, but with little success, seems
> to
> be still in early stages of development, and still it isn't intuitive
> enough.
>
> Do you use any graphical designer for writing your BPEL processes to be
> deployed on Apache ODE?
>
> Is there any tool out there wich generates BPEL files compatible with
> Apache
> ODE?
>
>
>
> 2007/6/29, Van Caesar <fa...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I need an environment to use ode, design .bpel and .wsdl, then compile
> it.
> >
> > I don't know if eclipse's bpel designer can do it. I download a bpel
> > designer, but I found that it's web service engine is Axis 1.3.
> >
> > So I want to know whether it is useful or not. And if ode has his own
> > compiled environment, it is better to have a graphic
> > developed  environment.
> > I think we can't write .bpel or .wsdl by handiwork. It is too original.
> >
> > --
> > Van Caesar
> >
>

Re: Can I use ode under eclipse's bpel designer ?

[Manolo Gomez Lopez <pe...@gmail.com>]

I was writing the same question at the moment I received this message ;-)

OK, apache ode seems to be a great product, I tried to write my own bpel
processes and modifying my WSDL's to accomodate partnerlinktypes, but I'm
sure you will agree with me this is far from neither easy nor intuitive,
lots of namespaces out there... ;-)

I also tried to use Eclipse Bpel designer, but with little success, seems to
be still in early stages of development, and still it isn't intuitive
enough.

Do you use any graphical designer for writing your BPEL processes to be
deployed on Apache ODE?

Is there any tool out there wich generates BPEL files compatible with Apache
ODE?



2007/6/29, Van Caesar <fa...@gmail.com>:
>
> I need an environment to use ode, design .bpel and .wsdl, then compile it.
>
> I don't know if eclipse's bpel designer can do it. I download a bpel
> designer, but I found that it's web service engine is Axis 1.3.
>
> So I want to know whether it is useful or not. And if ode has his own
> compiled environment, it is better to have a graphic
> developed  environment.
> I think we can't write .bpel or .wsdl by handiwork. It is too original.
>
> --
> Van Caesar
>