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Posted to dev@avalon.apache.org by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org> on 2002/01/31 19:07:10 UTC
Plans for future
I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects Framework,
Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on what is necessary
to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and Phoenix.
I do have to clarify what I consider core to Cornerstone. That is the shared
blocks and services declared in the source code. All the apps do not have to
be at beta quality, and we can have the docs state what is ready and what is
not.
I have some work that will allow me to begin using the current Phoenix and
Cornerstone libraries, so I will be posting any observations and questions
I have from my experiences.
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>.
> 2) cornerstone.jar
Actually, I would not mind seeing a split of service and block
(interface and impl) into separate jars:
cornerstone-services.jar
cornerstone-blocks.jar
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>.
Berin,
> I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects
> Framework,
> Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on what is
> necessary
> to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and Phoenix.
>
> I do have to clarify what I consider core to Cornerstone. That is the
> shared
> blocks and services declared in the source code. All the apps do not
> have to
> be at beta quality, and we can have the docs state what is ready and
> what is
> not.
Yup Cornerstone is a bit of conundrum.
I see the following distributions:
1) cornerstone-src.zip / tar.gz
- the rebuildable source for the services and blocks that are the
components first developed. i.e. lib/ and src/
2) cornerstone.jar
- the compiled and immediately reusable classes for (1).
3) cornerstone-all-src.zip / tar.gz
- the reuildable source for all /src and apps/
4) cornerstone-xxxxx.sar
- Where xxxxx could be demo, db, httpproxy, simpleserver, jesktop,
ftpserver, overlord and xcommander
I think 'bay' should be excluded as it will not work (Catalina is as far
as I can see not embeddable in the forms I have tried).
I am not sure of the rules for 'hsql'. The block compiles against an
unreleased jar from http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb. Besides
that, the jar is not Apache licensed so we would have to be careful
distributing it (in a sar). It is a compatible BSD style licese though.
We should be careful to note the alpha/beta/stable status for each, but
still list them for download.
Regards,
- Paul H
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:36, Scott Sanders wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:29:12PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
> > On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:07, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> > > I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects
> > > Framework, Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on
> > > what is necessary to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and
> > > Phoenix.
> >
> > Phoenix is almost Beta quality at the moment. There is a few things that
> > I need to add such as ClassLoader management, improved deployment and a
> > few unit tests for the tools package. This will prolly take about 2 lazy
> > Sunday afternoons.
> >
> > However the real thing that is holding us back is the complete and utter
> > lack of a decent management console. I can quite easily add new MBeans
> > for the serverside half of the management interface and refactor things
> > on that end to make it nice and clean. However to do that I need some
> > testing in a real environment and this is currently not possible because
> > no one has written a frontend. Unfortunately I am really bad at writing
> > that bit ... every time I start on it I end up finding excuses to play
> > with other things ;)
>
> What do you mean by front-end? Web something? Telnet? I am looking at
> Avalon, and have done both of these before, so I can take a look at it.
Front end is just some form of semi user friendly interface for admin types
to interact with the phoenix management objects. My personal preference is a
web frontend but anything is better than nothing. Having a look at it would
be fantastic ;)
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Scott Sanders wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:29:12PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:07, Berin Loritsch wrote:
>>
>>>I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects
>>>Framework, Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on
>>>what is necessary to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and Phoenix.
>>>
>>Phoenix is almost Beta quality at the moment. There is a few things that I
>>need to add such as ClassLoader management, improved deployment and a few
>>unit tests for the tools package. This will prolly take about 2 lazy Sunday
>>afternoons.
>>
>>However the real thing that is holding us back is the complete and utter lack
>>of a decent management console. I can quite easily add new MBeans for the
>>serverside half of the management interface and refactor things on that end
>>to make it nice and clean. However to do that I need some testing in a real
>>environment and this is currently not possible because no one has written a
>>frontend. Unfortunately I am really bad at writing that bit ... every time I
>>start on it I end up finding excuses to play with other things ;)
>>
>
> What do you mean by front-end? Web something? Telnet? I am looking at Avalon, and have done both of these before, so I can take a look at it.
>
> Scott Sanders
He is talking about a GUI console so that administration of the server is
more friendly.
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Scott Sanders <sa...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Feb 01, 2002 at 09:29:12PM +1100, Peter Donald wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:07, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> > I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects
> > Framework, Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on
> > what is necessary to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and Phoenix.
>
> Phoenix is almost Beta quality at the moment. There is a few things that I
> need to add such as ClassLoader management, improved deployment and a few
> unit tests for the tools package. This will prolly take about 2 lazy Sunday
> afternoons.
>
> However the real thing that is holding us back is the complete and utter lack
> of a decent management console. I can quite easily add new MBeans for the
> serverside half of the management interface and refactor things on that end
> to make it nice and clean. However to do that I need some testing in a real
> environment and this is currently not possible because no one has written a
> frontend. Unfortunately I am really bad at writing that bit ... every time I
> start on it I end up finding excuses to play with other things ;)
What do you mean by front-end? Web something? Telnet? I am looking at Avalon, and have done both of these before, so I can take a look at it.
Scott Sanders
>
> So as soon a management console is written it will take a few weeks to get
> phoenix into full beta mode. However I don't know when that will occur ;)
>
> Cornerstone is a different thing altogether and there are parts that are
> ready for prime time, others that are completely lacking and still others
> that need lots of tweaks. However we haven't even done alpha releases of
> cornerstone so this project could take a while ;)
>
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> Cheers,
>
> Pete
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Re: Plans for future
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>.
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 05:07, Berin Loritsch wrote:
> I am satisfied with the current releases of the three subprojects
> Framework, Excalibur, and LogKit. I would like to start discussions on
> what is necessary to have a Beta release of both Cornerstone and Phoenix.
Phoenix is almost Beta quality at the moment. There is a few things that I
need to add such as ClassLoader management, improved deployment and a few
unit tests for the tools package. This will prolly take about 2 lazy Sunday
afternoons.
However the real thing that is holding us back is the complete and utter lack
of a decent management console. I can quite easily add new MBeans for the
serverside half of the management interface and refactor things on that end
to make it nice and clean. However to do that I need some testing in a real
environment and this is currently not possible because no one has written a
frontend. Unfortunately I am really bad at writing that bit ... every time I
start on it I end up finding excuses to play with other things ;)
So as soon a management console is written it will take a few weeks to get
phoenix into full beta mode. However I don't know when that will occur ;)
Cornerstone is a different thing altogether and there are parts that are
ready for prime time, others that are completely lacking and still others
that need lots of tweaks. However we haven't even done alpha releases of
cornerstone so this project could take a while ;)
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