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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> on 2015/04/21 19:14:47 UTC

Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread

Resurrecting this thread!

I think we need to let our users know that Cordova 4.0 doesn't support
Gingerbread, or at least some of the features don't work on Gingerbread.
I've been trying to clean up the JIRA a bit today, and it seems that while
we came to a consensus to drop 2.3, we didn't tell anyone. :/


On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:41 PM Joe Bowser <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Firefox works on 2.3, and Chrome does not. It also depends on the device
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 12:20 PM Josh Soref <js...@blackberry.com> wrote:
>
>> Michal Mocny wrote:
>> >... we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot use
>> >their phones, we are telling developers that want to create new
>> >applications for that target to either build mobile web, packaged native,
>> >or just stick to existing versions of cordova if really needed.
>> >
>> >I do not buy the argument that you are doing those individuals with those
>> >phones a favour by building them hybrid apps using the antiquated 2.3
>> >webview on antiquated machine specs.
>>
>> I don't have an opinion on this. But I do have a question.
>>
>> Ignoring the fact that GeckoView is flaky today,
>>
>> 1. Does GeckoView / Firefox work (at all? well?) on a sample / typical 2.3
>> device?
>> 2. Can I run Chrome (or some relative) on that same device (at all? well?)
>>
>

Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread

Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.

What about minimum updating the blog post?

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Andrew Grieve <ag...@chromium.org> wrote:

> Not sure it's worth doing another release just for this. Devs can already
> set the minSdkVersion using a <preference>.
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > BTW: Sorry for rushing the commit and sticking the ugly merge commit to
> try
> > and fix it.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:28 PM Steven Gill <stevengill97@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Okay. Since pluggable webviews don't work with 2.3.x, I'd say we do a
> > > cordova-android 4.1.0 release with minsdk 14.
> > >
> > > I'll update the docs to say we only support android 4+
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As in they don't work on Android 2.3.x, sorry hit send way too soon.
> > > Also,
> > > > there's a lot of bad security issues on 2.3.x that we just can't fix,
> > so
> > > > it's best that we draw the line here and not support 2.3.x
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:23 PM Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > None of the Third Party WebViews work for 4.0.x
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM Steven Gill <
> stevengill97@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> 4.1.0? Is the minsdk the only thing keeping gingerbread support
> > > around?
> > > > >> Are
> > > > >> there other things about 4.0.0 that broke support for 2.3.0?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > OK, because we screwed up, should we release a Cordova-Android
> > 5.0?
> > > > >> This
> > > > >> > is going to break people, even though I don't care about the
> > > breakage,
> > > > >> I do
> > > > >> > care about telling them about the breakage.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thoughts?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 2:10 PM Joe Bowser <bowserj@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > It should be replaced with 14.  This was definitely an
> oversight
> > > > >> since we
> > > > >> > > all agreed in theory but never came to a proper decision.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 12:20 PM Sergey Grebnov (Akvelon) <
> > > > >> > > v-segreb@microsoft.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> I still see minSdkVersion = 10 (GINGERBREAD) in platform
> > > template.
> > > > >> > Should
> > > > >> > >> it be replaced w/ 14 (ICE_CREAM_SANDWICH) in this case and
> also
> > > > >> updated
> > > > >> > in
> > > > >> > >> platform docs? -  per docs we still support Gingerbread.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Steve is currently working on docs update so this is perfect
> > time
> > > > to
> > > > >> > >> change this.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> -Sergey
> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> > >> From: Shazron [mailto:shazron@gmail.com <javascript:;>]
> > > > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 1:04 PM
> > > > >> > >> To: dev@cordova.apache.org <javascript:;>
> > > > >> > >> Subject: Re: Deprecation Wars: ICS vs Gingerbread
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Joe, perhaps that can be part of the Tools Release blog post?
> > > Steve
> > > > >> put
> > > > >> > >> out a link to the draft in another thread.
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Joe Bowser <
> > bowserj@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > Resurrecting this thread!
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> > I think we need to let our users know that Cordova 4.0
> > doesn't
> > > > >> support
> > > > >> > >> > Gingerbread, or at least some of the features don't work on
> > > > >> > Gingerbread.
> > > > >> > >> > I've been trying to clean up the JIRA a bit today, and it
> > seems
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> > >> > while we came to a consensus to drop 2.3, we didn't tell
> > > anyone.
> > > > :/
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:41 PM Joe Bowser <
> > bowserj@gmail.com <javascript:;>
> > > >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> >> Firefox works on 2.3, and Chrome does not. It also depends
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > >> > >> >> device
> > > > >> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> >> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 12:20 PM Josh Soref <
> > > > jsoref@blackberry.com <javascript:;>>
> > > > >> > >> wrote:
> > > > >> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> >>> Michal Mocny wrote:
> > > > >> > >> >>> >... we aren't telling those individuals that they cannot
> > use
> > > > >> their
> > > > >> > >> >>> >phones, we are telling developers that want to create
> new
> > > > >> > >> >>> >applications for that target to either build mobile web,
> > > > >> packaged
> > > > >> > >> >>> >native, or just stick to existing versions of cordova if
> > > > really
> > > > >> > >> needed.
> > > > >> > >> >>> >
> > > > >> > >> >>> >I do not buy the argument that you are doing those
> > > individuals
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> > >> >>> >those phones a favour by building them hybrid apps using
> > the
> > > > >> > >> >>> >antiquated 2.3 webview on antiquated machine specs.
> > > > >> > >> >>>
> > > > >> > >> >>> I don't have an opinion on this. But I do have a
> question.
> > > > >> > >> >>>
> > > > >> > >> >>> Ignoring the fact that GeckoView is flaky today,
> > > > >> > >> >>>
> > > > >> > >> >>> 1. Does GeckoView / Firefox work (at all? well?) on a
> > sample
> > > /
> > > > >> > >> >>> typical 2.3 device?
> > > > >> > >> >>> 2. Can I run Chrome (or some relative) on that same
> device
> > > (at
> > > > >> all?
> > > > >> > >> >>> well?)
> > > > >> > >> >>>
> > > > >> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >>
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-- 
Carlos Santana
<cs...@gmail.com>