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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> on 2005/12/02 03:51:06 UTC
[all] short critique of site
Some thoughts on the site.
A] Looking at the front page.
1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
in the top left.
2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
for the user.
3) Korea translation link is dead.
4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
6) DB Commons is empty.
7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
B] Clicking on sandbox.
1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
changing the site?
2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
Okay, onto something else next.
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
A further remark about the site.
I think that we should kill the big list of siblings on the left hand
side of each component's site. It's no longer scoping, hard to keep up
to date and not that useful. People can '..' up to Commons via the
links.
Admittedly my other ideas on the site might make this redundant as I
want to largely get rid of the component sites all together, but
thought I'd bring this one up separately as well :)
Hen
On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some thoughts on the site.
>
> A] Looking at the front page.
>
> 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
> in the top left.
> 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
> for the user.
> 3) Korea translation link is dead.
> 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
> 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
> 6) DB Commons is empty.
> 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
>
> B] Clicking on sandbox.
>
> 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
> changing the site?
> 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
>
> Okay, onto something else next.
>
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 12/1/05, Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Some thoughts on the site.
> >
> > A] Looking at the front page.
> >
> > 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
> > in the top left.
> > 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
> > for the user.
>
>
> Perhaps, but AIUI viewcvs puts a significantly higher load on our
> infrastructure, and the infra@ folks have specifically stated that they
> would prefer people to use direct links to the SVN repo.
Not sure that holds true anymore, but I don't think the user clicking
through the site to browse source is the major problem with the load.
I'll get confirmation from them before suggesting it be removed.
Hen
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Some thoughts on the site.
>
> A] Looking at the front page.
>
> 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
> in the top left.
> 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
> for the user.
Perhaps, but AIUI viewcvs puts a significantly higher load on our
infrastructure, and the infra@ folks have specifically stated that they
would prefer people to use direct links to the SVN repo.
--
Martin Cooper
3) Korea translation link is dead.
> 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
> 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
> 6) DB Commons is empty.
> 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
>
> B] Clicking on sandbox.
>
> 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
> changing the site?
> 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
>
> Okay, onto something else next.
>
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Martin van den Bemt <ml...@mvdb.net>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 23:47 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
>
>>Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
>>
>>I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could
>>be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?
>
>
> +1
>
> such a script might have other uses as well. any volunteers?
Working on the script. Done weirder things with maven :)
Just going for generating the contributors.xml file automatically though (just before the xdoc target is called.
Mvgr,
Martin
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 23:47 +0100, Emmanuel Bourg wrote:
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> > 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
>
> I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could
> be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?
+1
such a script might have other uses as well. any volunteers?
- robert
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Emmanuel Bourg <eb...@apache.org>.
Henri Yandell wrote:
> 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
I don't know how this page is maintained currently, but maybe it could
be built automatically from the POMs with a script ?
Emmanuel Bourg
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Giorgio Gallo <gi...@overlord.it>.
Might I add:
8) The "bug database" link should point to a page where an user is
advised to look in the sites of the single components instead of
pointing to http://jakarta.apache.org/site/bugs.html
Henri Yandell wrote:
> Some thoughts on the site.
>
> A] Looking at the front page.
>
> 1) Jakarta link on the bar is redundant. We already have a huge logo
> in the top left.
> 2) No need to include the direct svn link, just use viewcvs. Simpler
> for the user.
> 3) Korea translation link is dead.
> 4) Japanese translation link is out of date.
> 5) While the wiki is unofficial documentation, it is an official resource.
> 6) DB Commons is empty.
> 7) Contributor page. Is this worth the effort of the maintenance?
>
> B] Clicking on sandbox.
>
> 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
> changing the site?
> 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
>
> Okay, onto something else next.
>
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 12/3/05, Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some thoughts on the site.
> >
> <snip/>
> >
> > B] Clicking on sandbox.
> >
> > 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
> > changing the site?
> > 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
> >
> <snap/>
>
> I tinkered with one of those wiki pages [1] (use "Delete Cache" action
> if you've looked at it recently ;-). I think the web site should
> similarly distinguish between sandbox and dormant components.
>
> The current sandbox page [2] (and therefore Commons home page as well)
> list them together, would there be any interest in separating the
> "dormant" components so the website actually matches the repository? I
> can post a patch for the website if there is interest.
interest :)
Hen
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Re: [all] short critique of site
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 12/1/05, Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some thoughts on the site.
>
<snip/>
>
> B] Clicking on sandbox.
>
> 1) There are many projects which have become dormant. How should we be
> changing the site?
> 2) Corresponding Wiki page needs changing [my fault :) ]
>
<snap/>
I tinkered with one of those wiki pages [1] (use "Delete Cache" action
if you've looked at it recently ;-). I think the web site should
similarly distinguish between sandbox and dormant components.
The current sandbox page [2] (and therefore Commons home page as well)
list them together, would there be any interest in separating the
"dormant" components so the website actually matches the repository? I
can post a patch for the website if there is interest.
-Rahul
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/CreatingStandardWebPresence
[2] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/index.html
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