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Posted to dev@isis.apache.org by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> on 2013/10/11 12:59:38 UTC
[DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Several reasons:
1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
3. its 2013 already.
Any votes +1 or -1?
Thx
Dan
[1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Kevin Meyer - KMZ <ke...@kmz.co.za>.
+1
On 11 Oct 2013 at 11:59, Dan Haywood wrote:
> Several reasons:
>
> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>
> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>
> 3. its 2013 already.
>
>
> Any votes +1 or -1?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Ezequiel Celiz <el...@gmail.com>.
+1
2013/10/11 GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou <o....@gesconsultor.com>
>
>
> Sure. We will check. We can always use the -source flag should enable you
> to compile with JDK 7, but still producing JDK 6 bytecode, can't we?
>
>
> El 11/10/2013, a las 13:23, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> escribió:
>
> > This change in Isis would require that you run Tomcat under JDK 1.7.
> >
> > Java is backwardly compatible, so a JDK 1.7 VM will run stuff compiled to
> > Java 1.6.
> >
> > But it would mean that your deployment environment is 1.7.
> >
> > Is that doable for you... easy enough to verify, I would guess?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11 October 2013 12:19, GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou
> > <o....@gesconsultor.com>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Our current viewer technology runs on java 1.6. Can it be a problem if
> >> running on Tomcat together?
> >>
> >>
> >> El 11/10/2013, a las 13:16, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> >> escribió:
> >>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> +1
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
> >>>> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Several reasons:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar
> Wicket
> >>>>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using
> Bootstrap3.
> >>>>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK
> >> 1.7.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket
> viewer
> >>>>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. its 2013 already.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any votes +1 or -1?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thx
> >>>>> Dan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou <o....@gesconsultor.com>.
Sure. We will check. We can always use the -source flag should enable you to compile with JDK 7, but still producing JDK 6 bytecode, can't we?
El 11/10/2013, a las 13:23, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> escribió:
> This change in Isis would require that you run Tomcat under JDK 1.7.
>
> Java is backwardly compatible, so a JDK 1.7 VM will run stuff compiled to
> Java 1.6.
>
> But it would mean that your deployment environment is 1.7.
>
> Is that doable for you... easy enough to verify, I would guess?
>
>
>
> On 11 October 2013 12:19, GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou
> <o....@gesconsultor.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Our current viewer technology runs on java 1.6. Can it be a problem if
>> running on Tomcat together?
>>
>>
>> El 11/10/2013, a las 13:16, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
>> escribió:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
>>>> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Several reasons:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
>>>>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
>>>>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK
>> 1.7.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
>>>>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. its 2013 already.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Any votes +1 or -1?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thx
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by David Tildesley <da...@yahoo.co.nz>.
Actually, Weblogic 10.3.6 can be run under 1.7 with caveats according to Oracle. So +1 :)
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Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by David Tildesley <da...@yahoo.co.nz>.
Could be a problem for enterprise apps. Organisations are slow to move. e.g. we would be forced to move from weblogic 11g to weblogic 12g and then have to enter the brain dead "N-1" debate.
________________________________
From: Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
To: users <us...@isis.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2013 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
This change in Isis would require that you run Tomcat under JDK 1.7.
Java is backwardly compatible, so a JDK 1.7 VM will run stuff compiled to
Java 1.6.
But it would mean that your deployment environment is 1.7.
Is that doable for you... easy enough to verify, I would guess?
On 11 October 2013 12:19, GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou
<o....@gesconsultor.com>wrote:
>
> Our current viewer technology runs on java 1.6. Can it be a problem if
> running on Tomcat together?
>
>
> El 11/10/2013, a las 13:16, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> escribió:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
> >> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Several reasons:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> >>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> >>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK
> 1.7.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> >>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
> >>>
> >>> 3. its 2013 already.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any votes +1 or -1?
> >>>
> >>> Thx
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
> >>>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
This change in Isis would require that you run Tomcat under JDK 1.7.
Java is backwardly compatible, so a JDK 1.7 VM will run stuff compiled to
Java 1.6.
But it would mean that your deployment environment is 1.7.
Is that doable for you... easy enough to verify, I would guess?
On 11 October 2013 12:19, GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou
<o....@gesconsultor.com>wrote:
>
> Our current viewer technology runs on java 1.6. Can it be a problem if
> running on Tomcat together?
>
>
> El 11/10/2013, a las 13:16, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>
> escribió:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
> >> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Several reasons:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> >>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> >>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK
> 1.7.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> >>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
> >>>
> >>> 3. its 2013 already.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Any votes +1 or -1?
> >>>
> >>> Thx
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
> >>>
> >
>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou <o....@gesconsultor.com>.
Our current viewer technology runs on java 1.6. Can it be a problem if running on Tomcat together?
El 11/10/2013, a las 13:16, Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk> escribió:
> +1
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
>> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> Several reasons:
>>>
>>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
>>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
>>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>>>
>>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
>>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>>>
>>> 3. its 2013 already.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any votes +1 or -1?
>>>
>>> Thx
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>>>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Mike Burton <mi...@mycosystems.co.uk>.
+1
On 11 Oct 2013, at 12:08, Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
> <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
>
>> Several reasons:
>>
>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>>
>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>>
>> 3. its 2013 already.
>>
>>
>> Any votes +1 or -1?
>>
>> Thx
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
+1
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
<da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
> Several reasons:
>
> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>
> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>
> 3. its 2013 already.
>
>
> Any votes +1 or -1?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Martin Grigorov <mg...@apache.org>.
+1
On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Dan Haywood
<da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>wrote:
> Several reasons:
>
> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>
> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>
> 3. its 2013 already.
>
>
> Any votes +1 or -1?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Jeroen van der Wal <je...@stromboli.it>.
+1
Oracle stopped updating Java 6 in February [1] and Java 8 is around the
corner so yes, let's do it.
[1] http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Michael Haitz <ha...@web.de> wrote:
> +1
>
> > Am 11.10.2013 um 13:00 schrieb "Dan Haywood" <
> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk>:
> >
> > Several reasons:
> >
> > 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> > expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> > One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
> >
> > 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> > should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
> >
> > 3. its 2013 already.
> >
> >
> > Any votes +1 or -1?
> >
> > Thx
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Michael Haitz <ha...@web.de>.
+1
> Am 11.10.2013 um 13:00 schrieb "Dan Haywood" <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>:
>
> Several reasons:
>
> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>
> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>
> 3. its 2013 already.
>
>
> Any votes +1 or -1?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>.
I've done some further (rather lengthy) investigation into this, documented
in ISIS-568 [1].
The long-and-short of it is that moving to JDK 7 also requires upgrading to
ASM 4.x and cglib 3.x... this impacts our
a) wrapper factory
b) isis-core-bytecode-cglib module (n/a if using JDO)
c) our unit tests that use JMock and the jmock-legacy module for mocking
concrete classes.
The first two could be tackled, I think, but the last is quite a big
dependency. It might be the least work to help the JMock guys move their
library up to cglib 3.x
Suggest we use [1] to track further discussion on this matter.
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-568
On 14 October 2013 08:45, GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou
<o....@gesconsultor.com>wrote:
> +1
>
>
> El 13/10/2013, a las 20:13, Michael Xiao <mi...@gmail.com>
> escribió:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > On 11 October 2013 23:59, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Several reasons:
> >>
> >> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> >> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> >> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
> >>
> >> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> >> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
> >>
> >> 3. its 2013 already.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any votes +1 or -1?
> >>
> >> Thx
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
> >>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by GESCONSULTOR - Óscar Bou <o....@gesconsultor.com>.
+1
El 13/10/2013, a las 20:13, Michael Xiao <mi...@gmail.com> escribió:
> +1
>
>
> On 11 October 2013 23:59, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Several reasons:
>>
>> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
>> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
>> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>>
>> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
>> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>>
>> 3. its 2013 already.
>>
>>
>> Any votes +1 or -1?
>>
>> Thx
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>>
Re: [DISCUSSION] should Isis drop JDK 1.6 support?
Posted by Michael Xiao <mi...@gmail.com>.
+1
On 11 October 2013 23:59, Dan Haywood <da...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
> Several reasons:
>
> 1. Martin Grigorov (Wicket committer) and Michael Haitz (similar Wicket
> expert) are working on ISIS-537 [1] to restyle Wicket using Bootstrap3.
> One of their key dependencies is currently only available under JDK 1.7.
>
> 2. Wicket 7.0 will mandate JDK 1.7, and, obviously Isis' Wicket viewer
> should keep up with the latest version of Wicket.
>
> 3. its 2013 already.
>
>
> Any votes +1 or -1?
>
> Thx
> Dan
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/l0rdn1kk0n/isis/commits/ISIS-537
>