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Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong
commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
further,
On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and
certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO
names.
There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as
well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
Regards,
-Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Nóirín Plunkett <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Fáilte! Sounds like you get the "Apache Way" just great :-)
+1
> "I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome
> things you've already done.]"
>
> Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a
> refreshing change :-)
+1 :-)
(Nóirín always expresses these things so well)
Robert
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Nóirín Plunkett wrote:
> Andy,
>
> Fáilte! Sounds like you get the "Apache Way" just great :-)
>
> "I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome
> things you've already done.]"
>
> Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a
> refreshing change :-)
>
> Noirin
Thanks Noirin,
It seems that I forgot to add that I have also helped users, on the
mailing list and forums.
Andy
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Nóirín Plunkett <no...@apache.org>.
Andy,
Fáilte! Sounds like you get the "Apache Way" just great :-)
"I don't really have any background in this, but [... list of awesome
things you've already done.]"
Willing hands are always welcome, and a dose of humility can be a
refreshing change :-)
Noirin
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net> wrote:
> Hi All.
>
> After reading the messages by others I feel very out of place. I do not
> have any formal background to speak of that would relate to this or any
> other project. The only thing that I feel I can bring is an open mind and
> willingness to work and learn.
>
> I first used StarOffice back in 1997/1998 under OS2. In 2004 I found
> OpenOffice.org and started using it under Windows XP. In 2009 I wanted to
> give back and joined the Documentation, Marketing and Distribution projects.
> In the Documentation project I helped with some to the Calc chapters in the
> user guide. In the Marketing project I helped with a tri-fold pamphlet for
> the US market. In the Distribution project I helped others get started in
> the mailing list, was a moderator of one of the list, and shipped disk all
> over the US to people that did not have access to high speed internet access
> to download the program.
>
>
> Thanks for allowing me to be part of this.
>
> Andy Brown
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Hi All.
After reading the messages by others I feel very out of place. I do not
have any formal background to speak of that would relate to this or any
other project. The only thing that I feel I can bring is an open mind
and willingness to work and learn.
I first used StarOffice back in 1997/1998 under OS2. In 2004 I found
OpenOffice.org and started using it under Windows XP. In 2009 I wanted
to give back and joined the Documentation, Marketing and Distribution
projects. In the Documentation project I helped with some to the Calc
chapters in the user guide. In the Marketing project I helped with a
tri-fold pamphlet for the US market. In the Distribution project I
helped others get started in the mailing list, was a moderator of one of
the list, and shipped disk all over the US to people that did not have
access to high speed internet access to download the program.
Thanks for allowing me to be part of this.
Andy Brown
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jun 7, 2011, at 6:54 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote on 06/07/2011 09:23:25 PM:
>
>>
>> Sure. Hi everyone (maybe the people that Rob knows should introduce
>> themselves as well - some of us are new to the community.)
>>
>> My name is David Fisher. I have been in the software industry for
>> over 30 years. I've worked in many computer languages - FORTRAN, PL/
>> 1, C, C++, Postscript, Java, Basic, etc., etc. I wrote a PDF
>> producer in C++ in the early 90's. At my direction as a project
>> manager we developed the ability to produce PowerPoint output using
>> Apache POI. This was contributed back to the project and this
>> started my involvement with the ASF.
>>
>> I am very interested in the synergies and advantages to the OOo
>> community that full cross compatibility with Microsoft Office
>> documents could provide - particularly with workbooks.
>>
>> I look forward to working with the ODF Toolkit. I also would like to
>> see what I can do to help with fonts, EPS, PDF and print files.
>>
>> The ASF has sponsored several projects which have become essential
>> tools at work - Tomcat, Lucene and POI especially.
>>
>> I am speaking as individual and not for my corporate employer (not a
>> software company.)
>>
>
> Hi Dave, that is a great skill set. Do you know anything about font
> embedding? Not in PDF, but how it should be done in editable documents,
> respecting font policies, etc?
>
> This issue is one of our top ODF feature requests, and a quick search
> shows that it is a popular request for OOo as well:
>
> http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20370
>
> A feature like this greatly improves cross-OS document interop.
Thank you, and yes you are correct handling of fonts is a very tricky issue that touches on accessibility issues as well as translation and terms of art.
I have not thought deeply about embedding in some time. I think that it is more important to find a balance between two factors.
(1) FInding a font on the user's machine that is "close" to the producer/designer's. Meaning similar/equivalent character set, font style, and metrics.
(2) Regulators require consistently formatted documents to the level of a line break, but not necessarily the font. (Correct me if I am wrong.)
So, I think that embedding the intended font metrics within a document is more important than embedding particular fonts. Less license issues that way as well. I know that the ASF has license to the Adobe Base 14 AFM files.
I don't know what this means for standards, etc, this I would like to learn. I do have a copy of FontForge and really liked Fontographer. Point me at the "state of the art" and I am good to go.
I understand why you aren't talking PDF sub-setting as that is more about total preservation of a print form. I guess in Impress the font is the intent and this is more in play. As a print format embedding the font file should not be an issue.
I could help define fonts and I do have an understanding of the Type 1 and other formats. I would need help with multi-byte fonts.
Let's get the podling approved and get to work!
BTW - In reality lack of a font license is a major issue in the re-use and editing of previously published documents. I have this issue in a potential work project right now. These issues require a pragmatic approach. An Apache Open Office ought to allow the user to specify how to they prefer to handle font translations. (is that font and translation?)
This is enough for now.
Best Regards,
Dave
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by ro...@us.ibm.com.
Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote on 06/07/2011 09:23:25 PM:
>
> Sure. Hi everyone (maybe the people that Rob knows should introduce
> themselves as well - some of us are new to the community.)
>
> My name is David Fisher. I have been in the software industry for
> over 30 years. I've worked in many computer languages - FORTRAN, PL/
> 1, C, C++, Postscript, Java, Basic, etc., etc. I wrote a PDF
> producer in C++ in the early 90's. At my direction as a project
> manager we developed the ability to produce PowerPoint output using
> Apache POI. This was contributed back to the project and this
> started my involvement with the ASF.
>
> I am very interested in the synergies and advantages to the OOo
> community that full cross compatibility with Microsoft Office
> documents could provide - particularly with workbooks.
>
> I look forward to working with the ODF Toolkit. I also would like to
> see what I can do to help with fonts, EPS, PDF and print files.
>
> The ASF has sponsored several projects which have become essential
> tools at work - Tomcat, Lucene and POI especially.
>
> I am speaking as individual and not for my corporate employer (not a
> software company.)
>
Hi Dave, that is a great skill set. Do you know anything about font
embedding? Not in PDF, but how it should be done in editable documents,
respecting font policies, etc?
This issue is one of our top ODF feature requests, and a quick search
shows that it is a popular request for OOo as well:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=20370
A feature like this greatly improves cross-OS document interop.
Regards,
-Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Sure. Hi everyone (maybe the people that Rob knows should introduce themselves as well - some of us are new to the community.)
My name is David Fisher. I have been in the software industry for over 30 years. I've worked in many computer languages - FORTRAN, PL/1, C, C++, Postscript, Java, Basic, etc., etc. I wrote a PDF producer in C++ in the early 90's. At my direction as a project manager we developed the ability to produce PowerPoint output using Apache POI. This was contributed back to the project and this started my involvement with the ASF.
I am very interested in the synergies and advantages to the OOo community that full cross compatibility with Microsoft Office documents could provide - particularly with workbooks.
I look forward to working with the ODF Toolkit. I also would like to see what I can do to help with fonts, EPS, PDF and print files.
The ASF has sponsored several projects which have become essential tools at work - Tomcat, Lucene and POI especially.
I am speaking as individual and not for my corporate employer (not a software company.)
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rob,
Thanks.
> But as you know, translation is only one part of localization. I hope
> that with your participation, and with help from RedOffice experts who
> have joined this project, that we can further improve the CJK support in
> OOo.
You are right! This is what I would like to help develop.
> We have had many discussions on this in ISO, with Murata Mokoto, who
> is helping us understand what further improvement we could make in ODF to
> support CJK text layout requirements.
That's good you discuss it with Mr. Makoto Murata. I respect him.
> I look forward to advancing this work, both with the ODF standard, but
> also in Apache OpenOffice!
Sure! I am exciting and looking forward to releasing Apache
OpenOffice.org Japanese.
> P.S. Do you know anything about the OOo community on Korea? Is there
> anyone there we should be contacting?
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages
Have you contacted Jeongkyu Kim yet?
Thanks,
khirano
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by ro...@us.ibm.com.
Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com> wrote on 06/09/2011 08:46:05 AM:
> Let us open up new markets and allow all the people on the earth to
> use our great Office Suite in their native languages!
> We are all sure that OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/StarSuite benefit them.
> Thanks
>
> It is very exciting to work with various people in many parts of the
> world, sharing sense of purpose to create one great product.
>
Hello Hirano-san --
Thank you for your inspiring post. I am honored to have your continued
participation.
OpenOffice.org is distinguished by the large number of language
translations it supports, including many languages that are ignored by the
larger commercial vendors.
But as you know, translation is only one part of localization. I hope
that with your participation, and with help from RedOffice experts who
have joined this project, that we can further improve the CJK support in
OOo. We have had many discussions on this in ISO, with Murata Mokoto, who
is helping us understand what further improvement we could make in ODF to
support CJK text layout requirements.
I look forward to advancing this work, both with the ODF standard, but
also in Apache OpenOffice!
Regards,
-Rob
P.S. Do you know anything about the OOo community on Korea? Is there
anyone there we should be contacting?
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Damjan Jovanovic <da...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Marcelo H.Fortino
<mf...@estrategiasgnulinux.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob and all,
>>
>>
> My name is Marcelo Horacio Fortino and I've been using this suite since 1999
> when I get an StarOffice 5.1 CD from Sun.
>
> Since then I had worked with all OpenOffice.Org and lastly with LibreOffice
> flavors and I've been promoting and installing these suites hundreds of
> times to my clients.
>
> My contributions into the openoffice.org ecosystem have been creating market
> and giving jobs to teachers and IT technicians for migration, customization
> and support.
>
> Also I've been teaching and recently organizing OpenOffice and LibreOffice
> courses.
>
> I know I'm not a programmer, nor have been giving support at forums or
> translating OOO into spanish but mainly it was because I've no enough time
> to do that. I hope anyway that I can be useful into this community :-)
>
> regards
>
> --
> -
> // Marcelo Fortino
> www.estrategiasgnulinux.com
> //Servicios Informáticos
> //Formación·Software Libre
>
>
>
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Hi Rob and all
I've been an open-source user and contributor for years, and an Apache
Committer for several months. My prior programming experience with
OpenOffice is limited to a basic test with UNO and Java, but I am
familiar with C/C++/Java/etc. and would be able to work on just about
anything.
I think that the donation of OpenOffice to Apache is probably the
greatest gift in Apache's history, and it would be a tremendous honour
to contribute to one of the most widely used open source projects in
the world.
Regards
Damjan Jovanovic
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Marcelo H.Fortino" <mf...@estrategiasgnulinux.com>.
> Hi Rob and all,
>
>
My name is Marcelo Horacio Fortino and I've been using this suite since
1999 when I get an StarOffice 5.1 CD from Sun.
Since then I had worked with all OpenOffice.Org and lastly with
LibreOffice flavors and I've been promoting and installing these suites
hundreds of times to my clients.
My contributions into the openoffice.org ecosystem have been creating
market and giving jobs to teachers and IT technicians for migration,
customization and support.
Also I've been teaching and recently organizing OpenOffice and
LibreOffice courses.
I know I'm not a programmer, nor have been giving support at forums or
translating OOO into spanish but mainly it was because I've no enough
time to do that. I hope anyway that I can be useful into this community :-)
regards
--
-
// Marcelo Fortino
www.estrategiasgnulinux.com
//Servicios Informáticos
//Formación·Software Libre
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Sorry!
I inserted a odd sentence, "I would like to take this opportunity to
thank all of the parents who
have helped enact this important change by expressing concerns to both
the school and council"
Please ignore :)
Thanks,
khirano
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Kazunari Hirano <kh...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rob and all,
I am Kazunari Hirano (khirano@openoffice.org).
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Khirano
I am one of adminstrators for OpenOffice.org Comunity Forum Japanese.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/ja/forum/
I am OpenOffice.org Marketing Contact (MarCon) Japan.
http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html#asiapac
I am OpenOffice.org Community Contributor Representative (CCR) Deputy.
I took the responsibility for CCR tasks on Wed, Oct 20, 2010.
http://openoffice.org/projects/council/lists/discuss/archive/2010-10/message/18
I am the marketing project coordinator of OpenOffice.org Japanese
Language Project (http://ja.openoffice.org/)
1. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/Marketing/Members
2. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/QA/Members
3. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/translation/Members
4. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/Documentation/
As you see, OpenOffice.org Japanese Language Project is led by Maho
Nakata, who is also OpenOffice.org Quality Assurance Project Lead
(http://qa.openoffice.org/) and regularly uploads latest MacOSX
INTEL/PPC aqua builds
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Product_Release/builds_uploaded),
has 4 projects above, 1.marketing, 2.quality assurance, 3.translation,
4.documentation. These 4 projects together worked hard to release
stable quality OpenOffice.org Japanese and to promote OpenOffice.org
in a number of ways. We have increased our user base.
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/JA/Marketing/OpenOffice.org_Deployments
When I spoke at OpenOffice.org Conference in Beijing 2008, I
introduced voices from big company users and local government users.
http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2008/programme/thursday_1437.odp
(jump to page16)
Can we support them?
- Why did they make public their OpenOffice.org deployment?
- They want OOo Community to be alive and continue.
- They want professional support.
As you see, they are waiting for new, stable OpenOffice.org Japanese releases.
I hope I can help release stable quality OpenOffice.org Japanese and
other languages.
And as I told in my first post to this list,
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3CBANLkTikxONAfhQWgefnTNJd=tbGGwjJLmg@mail.gmail.com%3E
I always want to help develop Ideographic Variation Sequence support,
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=103123
where we need knowledges, skills and experiences of the Hamburg team.
I really like to see really multi-platform and multi-language office
suite as I spoke at OpenOffice.org Conference Berlin 2004.
http://marketing.openoffice.org/ooocon2004/presentations/thursday/BOF_LocalizedBuilds.pdf
(jump to page 34)
Do we really want to do it?
Can we make it?
- OOo1.1.x/SO7/SS7: 10 languages
- OOo2.0/SO8/SS8: 31 languages
- OOo3.0/SO9/SS9: 76 languages
- OOo4.0/SO10/SS10: 100 languages
Let us open up new markets and allow all the people on the earth to
use our great Office Suite in their native languages!
We are all sure that OpenOffice.org/StarOffice/StarSuite benefit them.
Thanks
It is very exciting to work with various people in many parts of the
world, sharing sense of purpose to create one great product.
When I found the poster[1] in OpenOffice.org Conference Beijing 2009,
I was very happy because it was the first time for me to see faces of
people who I work with daily online. It inspired me to make two
posters {2][3].
[1] http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_poster.html#OOo2008
[2] http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_poster.html#l10n_1
[3] http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_poster.html#l10n_2
It may take time but I think we[1][2][3] and ASF work together in a
team to release stable quality OpenOffice.org, what world people are
waiting for :)
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the parents who
have helped enact this important change by expressing concerns to both
the school and council
Finally I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the people
who help the victims of the quake and tsunami. Your donation to
Japanese Red Cross is reaching them. Since I live in Ichinoseki,
Iwate, next to the coast areas like Rikuzentakata and Kesennuma
devastated by the tsunami greatly, I started the project to reach the
victims with your support and help. My project has been supported by
OpenOffice.org community, such as oooES
(http://openoffice.exblog.jp/12298764/), Team OpenOffice.org
(http://openoffice.exblog.jp/12303945/) and OOoAuthors
(http://openoffice.exblog.jp/12322521/), my neighbors, friends,
brothers and relatives.
To help organize OpenOffice.org Conference in Japan is my dream.
:)
That's all so far.
I am looking forward to working with you all.
Thanks,
khirano
--
Kazunari Hirano - Marketing Project Coordinator - OpenOffice.org
Japanese Language Project
http://ja.openoffice.org/
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Sriram Narayanan <sr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 10:42 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
<snip/>
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
I'm not a proposed committer, but I'm a long time Apache enthusiast,
as well as one of the maintainers of Belenix.
On Belenix, we're aiming to move to the rpm5 packaging system, and I
intend to package openoffice as well as libre office using rpm5.
I'm lurking around to see how things develop, and to ensure I provide
heads up when ever I detect that openoffice cannot be built on
Belenix.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
-- Sriram
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Belenix: www.belenix.org
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Phillip Rhodes <mo...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:12 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
Hello, my name is Phillip and I'm addicted to F/L/OSS. It started back
in the 90's when I was teaching myself to program from Herbert Schildt's
"Teach Yourself C" and using a C compiler I downloaded off the Internet.
Then my addiction worsened, and I started using this thing called "Mozilla"
and reading documents from Eric Raymond, Richard Stallman and others.
Finally, after giving up on OS/2 (about 5 years after IBM did) I switched
to
GNU/Linux as my desktop OS and commited to doing everything my power to
use only Free and/or Open Source software from then on. OpenOffice.org
became my standard office productivity suite and has been for years now.
All joking aside, I am not a GNU ideologue specifically, but I *am* a
F/L/OSS ideologue in a more general sense. My interest in OOo
specifically is rooted in two points: One, it's a project I use myself and I
want
to see it succeed and remain viable. Two, I'm interested in (and working
on
a startup focused on) enterprise knowledge management / information
retrieval / business
intelligence / analytics using F/L/OSS software. As such, I'm really
intrigued by
the potential synergy (yeah, yeah, I know) that could emerge from having
Apache OOo as part of an overall ecosystem that seems to be forming around
the ASF, where a LOT of cool activity related to IR/KM/ etc is happening.
Already present at the ASF are Lucene, Nutch, Solr, Mahout, Hadoop, Roller,
Jena,
OpenNLP, UIMA, Stanbol, and Wave... in my vision of the world, an office
suite like
OOo is a natural part of that overall ecosystem.
Whether or Fogbeam Labs would ever roll a branded build of the Apache OOo
code, or not, is
something I don't know yet. But I generally see supporting this project as
a "Good Thing"
on multiple levels, so here I am.
Cheers,
Phillip Rhodes
Re: Re : Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Marcelo H.Fortino" <mf...@estrategiasgnulinux.com>.
El 08/06/11 10:43, eric b escribió:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Eric Bachard. In the real life, I'm Professor of Applied
> Physics at UTBM (see [1]).
>
> In my spare time, I'm contributing to free software, as core
> developer. Contributing to OpenOffice.org since 2004, my skills are
> C++ / C, objective C, shell and Perl. I know well OpenOffice.org
> source tree, build system, code too, and can work for all major ports
> (Windows, Mac OS X , Linux), including on some precise parts like the
> framework, the abstraction layer, Impress too.
>
> Used to mentor students with EducOOo (more than 15), and with Google
> Summer of Code (mentored 4 students, in 2006, 2007 and 2010 for it), I
> am willing to contribute to the code and train students to OOo.
>
> My vision is to see the OpenOffice.org accepted, Education Project
> become sort of a "Laboratory" dedicated to OpenOffice.org, and see a
> day there is a real bridge between OpenOffice.org and the Educational
> world. Mostly :
>
> - sharing the knowledge, honestly ;
> - working with students, teachers and schools : hear them, and catch
> the Fun they can bring us ;
> - attracting new developers : critical for OOo ;
> - innovating : always ready to test a new idea in the code :-).
+1
>
> Some of my roles and contributions :
>
> - Founding member of EducOOo [4]
> - OOo4Kids and OOoLight main developer [5] [6]
> - Education Project since 2007 (current Project Lead) [3]
> - Mac OS X native port of OpenOffice.org : was the Project Lead (2005
> -2007)
>
> Last but not least, I'm not a native speaker, so please, be gentle,
> and apologies for my terrible english :)
>
>
> With best regards,
> Eric Bachard
>
>
>
> [1] UTBM : http://www.utbm.fr
> [2] OpenOffice.org Domain developers :
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper
> [3] OpenOffice.org Education Project : http://education.openoffice.org
> [4] EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> [5] OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org
> [6] OOoLight : http://wiki.ooolight.org
>
>
> Le 7 juin 11 à 19:12, robert_weir@us.ibm.com a écrit :
>
>> By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
>> committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
>> respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a
>> strong
>> commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
>> further,
>>
>> On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
>> OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in
>> training and
>> certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
>> commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some
>> TDF/LO
>> names.
>>
>> There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as
>> well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
>>
>> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet
>> done
>> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
>> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
>> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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RE: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I am pleased that we have been asked to introduce ourselves. I am excited by what I have been reading this morning.
I consider myself to be handicapped as an American native-language English speaker. It is very easy to say something in a very complex way and not notice.
With so many participants from other language communities here, I want to communicate well. So your presence is an opportunity for my own training in having an international life.
And, by the way. If you had not said you are not a native speaker, I could not determine that from your introduction statement. If I were to attempt to speak or write French, I think it would be a great embarrassment.
I share your interest in education. For me it takes the form of ideas from CP4E (computer programming for everybody) and SE4E (software engineering ...). But also fluency with computing and information technology. I don't subscribe so much to the idea of "computational thinking" though.
- Dennis
PS: Someday, I would like to know what about the University of Pennsylvania inspired UTC, UTBM, and UTT, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universit%C3%A9_de_technologie_de_Belfort-Montb%C3%A9liard>.
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From: eric b [mailto:eric.bachard@free.fr]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 01:44
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re : Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Hello,
My name is Eric Bachard. In the real life, I'm Professor of Applied Physics at UTBM (see [1]).
[ ... ]
Last but not least, I'm not a native speaker, so please, be gentle, and apologies for my terrible english :)
With best regards,
Eric Bachard
[1] UTBM : http://www.utbm.fr
[2] OpenOffice.org Domain developers : http:// wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper
[3] OpenOffice.org Education Project : http://education.openoffice.org [4] EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org [5] OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org [6] OOoLight : http://wiki.ooolight.org
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Re : Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hello,
My name is Eric Bachard. In the real life, I'm Professor of Applied
Physics at UTBM (see [1]).
In my spare time, I'm contributing to free software, as core
developer. Contributing to OpenOffice.org since 2004, my skills are C
++ / C, objective C, shell and Perl. I know well OpenOffice.org
source tree, build system, code too, and can work for all major ports
(Windows, Mac OS X , Linux), including on some precise parts like the
framework, the abstraction layer, Impress too.
Used to mentor students with EducOOo (more than 15), and with Google
Summer of Code (mentored 4 students, in 2006, 2007 and 2010 for it),
I am willing to contribute to the code and train students to OOo.
My vision is to see the OpenOffice.org accepted, Education Project
become sort of a "Laboratory" dedicated to OpenOffice.org, and see a
day there is a real bridge between OpenOffice.org and the Educational
world. Mostly :
- sharing the knowledge, honestly ;
- working with students, teachers and schools : hear them, and catch
the Fun they can bring us ;
- attracting new developers : critical for OOo ;
- innovating : always ready to test a new idea in the code :-).
Some of my roles and contributions :
- Founding member of EducOOo [4]
- OOo4Kids and OOoLight main developer [5] [6]
- Education Project since 2007 (current Project Lead) [3]
- Mac OS X native port of OpenOffice.org : was the Project Lead
(2005 -2007)
Last but not least, I'm not a native speaker, so please, be gentle,
and apologies for my terrible english :)
With best regards,
Eric Bachard
[1] UTBM : http://www.utbm.fr
[2] OpenOffice.org Domain developers : http://
wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper
[3] OpenOffice.org Education Project : http://education.openoffice.org
[4] EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
[5] OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org
[6] OOoLight : http://wiki.ooolight.org
Le 7 juin 11 à 19:12, robert_weir@us.ibm.com a écrit :
> By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
> committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
> respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a
> strong
> commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
> further,
>
> On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
> OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in
> training and
> certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
> commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some
> TDF/LO
> names.
>
> There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is
> good as
> well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not
> yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and
> your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to
> introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
Ian Lynch, cut my coding teeth on Algol W (IBM 370). BBC BASIC, 6502, 6809
and ARM Assembler. Now I don't have time to hack, I run a UK government
accredited Awarding Organisation and I'm trying to build a global service
business that can support FOSS and liberally licensed content for education.
We have 6 people working in the company based in the UK and we have active
projects in Malaysia, Kenya, USA, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic,
Germany, Spain and Netherlands all at various stages. Something in South
America in relation to OOo specifically seems imminent. I have been a member
of the OOo marketing community since the early days leading education for a
time and I was a co-founder of the Open Document Fellowship. I'm quite
interested in developing businesses that can support FOSS development and
obviate the need for closed software licenses.
I think the most important aspect of all this is ISO26300 because it and its
developments enable a rich range of FOSS implementations in the document
space. I'm sure this will migrate to the cloud so current OOo/LO
implementations are going to have to change.
In terms of certification, we are product neutral. Most of our customers get
their IT user certificates using MS products. There was not sufficient
demand early on for an exclusive "we only deal with FOSS products" stance
and getting to users of proprietary licensed software at least gives them
the opportunity to see that there are alternatives. We use a Lamp stack and
Drupal for our core business, Libre Office on Ubuntu. We only use Windows
and IE for testing the web site - lots of schools still on IE6 unfortunately
a real pain ;-)
My main constraint is time as I am constantly needing to find ways of
keeping everyone here employed while we develop the business.
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
RE: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Hi Christian.
What a great positive attitude. I'm excited to see you here.
And moin moin to you too (it is 06:56 here in Seattle). I did not know the relationship with "moien" auf Deutsch. Now I know why Svante Schubert says it.
Ciao,
- Dennis
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From: Christian Lippka [mailto:cl@lippka.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 01:17
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
[ ... ]
So for me it is obviously love and passion and it would make me sad to not even try to make this proposal a success.
Now a valid question could be, why ASF and not TDF. For me, this is not a binary question. I have already contributed to OpenOffice.org in my spare time. I have also already (though small) contributed to LibreOffice in my spare time.
While I have some different opinions, I do not oppose the TDF or LibreOffice. I am not here to make this project win and another project fail. I am not here to dishonor the good work that good people put into something that they think is the best way to go. But I hope that people will respect others for trying to do something different, even so we may share many of the same goals.
[ ... ]
My technical vision (as in, not plans, no facts, no "I tell you how to do it") for this particular project under the umbrella of the ASF is as follows. I see this as an opportunity to do some bold moves that will jumpstart the free office world to the next level. One such bold move in the past was the switch to XML. I think this changed everything, and I usually hate such marketing speech :) What I would love to see is a major rework concerning modularization and configurability.
In the past I was part of many discussions on what would be the best UI framework for OpenOffice.org to solve all problems including world peace. Obviously there was no such thing. This is even more true in the world we live in now. There is not only the desktop any more, my smartphone is faster than my first development pc at StarDivision.
My android tablet has a bigger screen resolution than my first VGA monitor. To serve this diverse market of target devices and different input idioms there can not only be one user interface, there must be many.
Also it would be cool to target different groups of users by providing a user interface that is optimized for a special task or need. See OOo4Kids as a great example.
I'm not a native speaker but I tried hard to look up every more complicated word in the dictionary to check for possible misreadings. If you still find something that you have a grudge with or find offensive, please just blame it on a communication issue.
Best regards,
Christian
[1] http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
let me introduce myself a little bit more as promised in my voting email ;-)
My name is Juergen Schmidt (jsc) and i work on the project since 1997,
started at StarDivision -> Sun -> Oracle where i am still employed today.
But i am here as individual and everything i will do and say here is based
on my very own opinion and motivation. I will also do not speak for Oracle
in any way and i am here only to help and to bring OpenOffice.org forward.
At the beginning i was deeply involved in the development of UNO the
underlying component middleware technology and focused later more and more
on the general programmability features. As the API and Extensions project
lead i always tried to bring these features forward. I always had the vision
of a component based architecture where you have well defined functional
blocks (components) that build altogether a complete product. In an ideally
world you would be able to define a feature set, let's say you need a writer
component only, and some kind of tooling would package all necessary fine
grained components that builds all together a full featured writer editor.
Ok i know that is very highlevel but i hope the idea becomes a little bit
more clear. Anyway in the existing code base we are of course far away of
such an architecture because it's more complex and the modularization that
would be necessary is not in place yet. But maybe we can achieve it in the
future or can at least move forward in this direction. Make things easier
reusable and also easier exchangeable for example if a better implementation
becomes available ...
I worked also on tooling and documentation that helps to develop with and
for OpenOffice.org (SDK, DevGuide, NetBeans Extension plugin, ...). Compared
to another proprietary office suite we have a lot of space for improvements
here to make it easier for end users and developers to develop their own
automation workflows, solutions or to develop connectors in other business
critical applications. Yes the success of OpenOffice.org should be in the
business world and not only in the private sector. A successful future of
the OpenOffice.org project needs sponsors and they come probably not from
the private sector only.
As some kind of "OOo Evangelist" i have spread and shared my knowledge
around the API and Extensions development on many conferences all over the
world (e.g. JavaOne, FISL, FOSS.IN, FOSDEM, LinuxTag,...) . Community work
was one part of my daily work and also of my private spare time.The split of
the community last year was a dark moment in the history of OOo and i hope
that over time we will have again one community working all together on the
same goal.
I am also a member of the OOo community council and besides the general work
there i focused on the organization of an internship program (2010) which is
comparable to the well known GSOC. We hadn't the same budget as Google but
we were able to run at least 6 projects with success.
That should be enough for the moment and if you have any further question
that is related to my person or to my work as a OOo community member feel
free to ask me.
I hope this can be the beginning of a new great project where "political"
issues becomes more and more unimportant in the future.
Kind regards
Juergen
Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Cor Nouws <oo...@nouenoff.nl> wrote:
> Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03)
>>
>> On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
>>>
>>> Moin Moin [1],
>>>
>>> my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since
>>> 1998
>>> [..]
>>
>> I just wanted to say that this is one of the best messages I've read
>> throughout this entire ordeal. Thanks.
>
> Yip - thanks Christian :-)
+1
I seem to have worn quite a few hats over the years...
Apache-wise, I [1] was elected a Member [2] of the Apache Software
Foundation in 2005, elected to the IPMC [3] in 2006 and served on the
Legal Affairs committee [4] from 2007 till 2010. Code-wise [5], in the
crazy early days at Jakarta [6] I spent a lot of time in the Commons
[7] community factoring out micro-libraries. Latterly, over in the
community at James [8] we factored out a series of components from a
monolithic code base and grew a vibrant community around them. A
particular interest was creating a working IMAP library. I'm to blame
for too much of the process, build and release documentation Apache
inflicts on it's projects and podlings. I have interests in community
building.
I'm recovering from an injury ATM and have only limited computer time,
and too many existing interests for the time I have. But I think I
might be able to help the community over the initial build, release
and licensing issues, with factoring out components and the general
culture shock.
I'm (very) independent ;-)
Robert
[1] http://robertburrelldonkin.name
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/members
[3] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Incubator+Project+Management+Committee+%28PMC%29
[4] http://www.apache.org/legal/
[5] https://www.ohloh.net/accounts/robertburrelldonkin
[6] http://jakarta.apache.org/
[7] Now at http://commons.apache.org
[8] http://james.apache.org
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Cor Nouws <oo...@nouenoff.nl>.
Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03)
> On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
>> Moin Moin [1],
>>
>> my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since
>> 1998
>> [..]
>
> I just wanted to say that this is one of the best messages I've read
> throughout this entire ordeal. Thanks.
Yip - thanks Christian :-)
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
> Moin Moin [1],
>
> my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since
> 1998
> when I was hired by StarDivision which was then consumed by Sun and later
> bought by Oracle. Oracle is also my current employer. I am here as an
> individual,
> so everything I do and say is based on my own opinions and
> motivations. Please
> note that I can not and will not discuss decisions made by Sun/Oracle
> now or in the
> past. I also obviously do not speak for Oracle in any way and I'm not
> in any way
> involved in the donation process that is currently going on.
>
> That said, my past work was to lead the Sun/Oracle internal
> development of the
> Impress and Draw application. My work includes
>
> - the creation of the flash export
> - the down stripping of code to create the (discontinued before open
> sourcing) stand alone StarOffice Impress Player
> - the specification of the presentation and graphic parts of the
> OpenOffice.org xml format which later became the base for ODF
> - driving development of the UNO API for impress and draw so it is now
> possible to have an xml filter for impress that does not link to the
> application code
> - adding native table support to impress and draw
> - bootstrapping the graphics part of the native mac port by fixing
> open issues in the vcl sal layer for aqua (spare time project)
> - working on the renaissance project to modernize the overal UI
> experience of impress
>
> At heard I'm a C/C++ hacker but I nowadays often use Java for small
> private projects out of convenience and
> I started to get some experience in Objectice-c. I am not an idealist
> at all, I tend to use the tool that does the job at hand best.
> This makes me currently a desktop user of a windows pc, an ubuntu box
> and a lovely old mac pro.
> As someone coming originally from the hardware world I still have a
> huge interest in embedded and mobile and would
> love to see an OOo derivate on a tablet.
>
> My personal motivation to join this proposal as a committer is based
> on my bounding with the underlying source code and
> also the people involved. You can not work 12 years on the same thing
> without getting to either hate or love it. So for me
> it is obviously love and passion and it would make me sad to not even
> try to make this proposal a success.
>
> Now a valid question could be, why ASF and not TDF. For me, this is
> not a binary question. I have already contributed
> to OpenOffice.org in my spare time. I have also already (though small)
> contributed to LibreOffice in my spare time.
> While I have some different opinions, I do not oppose the TDF or
> LibreOffice. I am not here to make this project win
> and another project fail. I am not here to dishonor the good work that
> good people put into something that they
> think is the best way to go. But I hope that people will respect
> others for trying to do something different, even
> so we may share many of the same goals.
>
> I'm happy with healthy competition. Not competition in the sense that
> the same work needs to be done multiple
> times. But competition in the sense to try different things, provide
> diversity and something to choose from.
> At least this is my understanding of liberty, the freedom to be able
> to choose from different options. If there
> is only one option to choose from, even if this is the perfect option,
> this is still no longer freedom.
>
> My opinion on the split/unite community is very simple. For me, there
> is but one open office community.
> If you are working on any branch, fork, clone, sibling,
> successor,predecessor of what is OpenOffice.org, you
> are part of that community. If you are a teacher at a school and
> promote the use of any odf based office
> suite, you are part of this community. If you hate to see a world
> where there is only one vendor dominating
> something that is essential for everyone in the digital age, you are
> part of the community.
> And yet, inside this community there are other communities, formed
> around goals, opinions, motivations.
> And I think that is perfectly valid.
>
> I also think that while it is hard some times it is a good thing that
> this heats up so much emotions. This shows
> that OpenOffice.org did not just start something that is useful. It
> started something that people are passionate
> about. And this makes me so exited to be part of it.
>
> My technical vision (as in, not plans, no facts, no "I tell you how to
> do it") for this particular project under the umbrella
> of the ASF is as follows. I see this as an opportunity to do some bold
> moves that will jumpstart the free office world to
> the next level. One such bold move in the past was the switch to XML.
> I think this changed everything, and I usually hate such
> marketing speech :) What I would love to see is a major rework
> concerning modularization and configurability.
> In the past I was part of many discussions on what would be the best
> UI framework for OpenOffice.org to solve all
> problems including world peace. Obviously there was no such thing.
> This is even more true in the world we live
> in now. There is not only the desktop any more, my smartphone is
> faster than my first development pc at StarDivision.
> My android tablet has a bigger screen resolution than my first VGA
> monitor. To serve this diverse market of target
> devices and different input idioms there can not only be one user
> interface, there must be many.
> Also it would be cool to target different groups of users by providing
> a user interface that is optimized for a
> special task or need. See OOo4Kids as a great example.
>
> I'm not a native speaker but I tried hard to look up every more
> complicated word in the dictionary to check for
> possible misreadings. If you still find something that you have a
> grudge with or find offensive, please just blame
> it on a communication issue.
>
I just wanted to say that this is one of the best messages I've read
throughout this entire ordeal. Thanks.
-> richard
> Best regards,
> Christian
>
> [1] http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology
>
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Christian Lippka <cl...@lippka.com>.
Moin Moin [1],
my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since 1998
when I was hired by StarDivision which was then consumed by Sun and later
bought by Oracle. Oracle is also my current employer. I am here as an
individual,
so everything I do and say is based on my own opinions and motivations.
Please
note that I can not and will not discuss decisions made by Sun/Oracle
now or in the
past. I also obviously do not speak for Oracle in any way and I'm not in
any way
involved in the donation process that is currently going on.
That said, my past work was to lead the Sun/Oracle internal development
of the
Impress and Draw application. My work includes
- the creation of the flash export
- the down stripping of code to create the (discontinued before open
sourcing) stand alone StarOffice Impress Player
- the specification of the presentation and graphic parts of the
OpenOffice.org xml format which later became the base for ODF
- driving development of the UNO API for impress and draw so it is now
possible to have an xml filter for impress that does not link to the
application code
- adding native table support to impress and draw
- bootstrapping the graphics part of the native mac port by fixing open
issues in the vcl sal layer for aqua (spare time project)
- working on the renaissance project to modernize the overal UI
experience of impress
At heard I'm a C/C++ hacker but I nowadays often use Java for small
private projects out of convenience and
I started to get some experience in Objectice-c. I am not an idealist at
all, I tend to use the tool that does the job at hand best.
This makes me currently a desktop user of a windows pc, an ubuntu box
and a lovely old mac pro.
As someone coming originally from the hardware world I still have a huge
interest in embedded and mobile and would
love to see an OOo derivate on a tablet.
My personal motivation to join this proposal as a committer is based on
my bounding with the underlying source code and
also the people involved. You can not work 12 years on the same thing
without getting to either hate or love it. So for me
it is obviously love and passion and it would make me sad to not even
try to make this proposal a success.
Now a valid question could be, why ASF and not TDF. For me, this is not
a binary question. I have already contributed
to OpenOffice.org in my spare time. I have also already (though small)
contributed to LibreOffice in my spare time.
While I have some different opinions, I do not oppose the TDF or
LibreOffice. I am not here to make this project win
and another project fail. I am not here to dishonor the good work that
good people put into something that they
think is the best way to go. But I hope that people will respect others
for trying to do something different, even
so we may share many of the same goals.
I'm happy with healthy competition. Not competition in the sense that
the same work needs to be done multiple
times. But competition in the sense to try different things, provide
diversity and something to choose from.
At least this is my understanding of liberty, the freedom to be able to
choose from different options. If there
is only one option to choose from, even if this is the perfect option,
this is still no longer freedom.
My opinion on the split/unite community is very simple. For me, there is
but one open office community.
If you are working on any branch, fork, clone, sibling,
successor,predecessor of what is OpenOffice.org, you
are part of that community. If you are a teacher at a school and promote
the use of any odf based office
suite, you are part of this community. If you hate to see a world where
there is only one vendor dominating
something that is essential for everyone in the digital age, you are
part of the community.
And yet, inside this community there are other communities, formed
around goals, opinions, motivations.
And I think that is perfectly valid.
I also think that while it is hard some times it is a good thing that
this heats up so much emotions. This shows
that OpenOffice.org did not just start something that is useful. It
started something that people are passionate
about. And this makes me so exited to be part of it.
My technical vision (as in, not plans, no facts, no "I tell you how to
do it") for this particular project under the umbrella
of the ASF is as follows. I see this as an opportunity to do some bold
moves that will jumpstart the free office world to
the next level. One such bold move in the past was the switch to XML. I
think this changed everything, and I usually hate such
marketing speech :) What I would love to see is a major rework
concerning modularization and configurability.
In the past I was part of many discussions on what would be the best UI
framework for OpenOffice.org to solve all
problems including world peace. Obviously there was no such thing. This
is even more true in the world we live
in now. There is not only the desktop any more, my smartphone is faster
than my first development pc at StarDivision.
My android tablet has a bigger screen resolution than my first VGA
monitor. To serve this diverse market of target
devices and different input idioms there can not only be one user
interface, there must be many.
Also it would be cool to target different groups of users by providing a
user interface that is optimized for a
special task or need. See OOo4Kids as a great example.
I'm not a native speaker but I tried hard to look up every more
complicated word in the dictionary to check for
possible misreadings. If you still find something that you have a grudge
with or find offensive, please just blame
it on a communication issue.
Best regards,
Christian
[1] http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinEtymology
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Carl Marcum <ca...@codebuilders.net>.
On 01/-10/-28163 02:59 PM, robert_weir@us.ibm.com wrote:
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
Hi all,
I'm Carl Marcum. I'm an independent developer. I work primarily with Java, Groovy, and Grails.
Lately, I have been doing custom OOo installation packages and extensions.
I look forward to helping out with the project where ever I can.
Best regards,
Carl
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Roman H. Gelbort" <ro...@piensalibre.com.ar>.
El 07/06/11 14:12, robert_weir@us.ibm.com escribió:
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project.
Hi people.
I'm a community member of OpenOffice.org since 2002. My contributions to
the community have been: support on the lists and forums, translate of
articles, webs and others documentations, drive with my opinion bugs
corrections, feature requests, changes in translations, conferences like
Marketing Contact in Argentina, etc.
My space of job is prefered in spanish and my appearances in english are
very recents (and painfull for my brain).
I want work on develop an improve application every day and I considered
this opportunity (in ASF environment) like a great moment in the life
of our application.
In the rest of my live, I work as an consultant in companies and I'm
part of the network of partners oooES in Argentina. And I'm educator in
middle education schools.
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Malte Timmermann <ma...@gmx.com>.
Hi Peter,
On 11.06.2011 19:49, Peter Korn wrote:
>
> I doubt I'll contribute much direct code to the effort, but I look
> forward to helping with design decisions that affect accessibility.
>
Would be nice to continue working with you on accessibility :)
Malte.
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Hi Peter,
The vote is currently open and thus the proposal has been fixed until the end of the vote. Once the vote has completed and the podling PMC has been formed I will ensure your request is processed.
Thanks for your interest.
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)
On 11 Jun 2011, at 18:49, Peter Korn <pe...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Peter Korn, and I've been working on accessibility for the last 20 years.
>
> I started that career developing assistive technologies for folks with vision impairments, and then moved to Sun where I worked on platform accessibility frameworks. Around 10 years ago I helped start the StarOffice/OpenOffice.org accessibility effort (and had the pleasure of meeting Malte, with whom I've worked for a good many years). That's also the time I kicked off the GNOME accessibility effort.
>
> I've moved away from writing code on a regular basis, spending more time on accessibility policy, design, management, and related matters. I am co-chair of the now-mostly-quiet OASIS ODF accessibility subcommittee, and helped with the analysis and fixes to the ODF spec. I am Technical Manager of the AEGIS project [http://www.aegis-project.eu], where we are developing a number of extensions to OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice for accessibility, including the successful odt2daisy and odt2braille extensions (for creating digital talking books for folks with print impairments and embossing braille documents respectively), and a hopefully-soon-to-be-published extension to support language learning and writing via the concept-coding framework for folks with cognitive impairments - among other things.
>
> I doubt I'll contribute much direct code to the effort, but I look forward to helping with design decisions that affect accessibility.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Peter Korn <pe...@oracle.com>.
Hi,
My name is Peter Korn, and I've been working on accessibility for the
last 20 years.
I started that career developing assistive technologies for folks with
vision impairments, and then moved to Sun where I worked on platform
accessibility frameworks. Around 10 years ago I helped start the
StarOffice/OpenOffice.org accessibility effort (and had the pleasure of
meeting Malte, with whom I've worked for a good many years). That's
also the time I kicked off the GNOME accessibility effort.
I've moved away from writing code on a regular basis, spending more time
on accessibility policy, design, management, and related matters. I am
co-chair of the now-mostly-quiet OASIS ODF accessibility subcommittee,
and helped with the analysis and fixes to the ODF spec. I am Technical
Manager of the AEGIS project [http://www.aegis-project.eu], where we are
developing a number of extensions to OpenOffice.org/LibreOffice for
accessibility, including the successful odt2daisy and odt2braille
extensions (for creating digital talking books for folks with print
impairments and embossing braille documents respectively), and a
hopefully-soon-to-be-published extension to support language learning
and writing via the concept-coding framework for folks with cognitive
impairments - among other things.
I doubt I'll contribute much direct code to the effort, but I look
forward to helping with design decisions that affect accessibility.
Regards,
Peter
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Simon Brouwer <si...@xs4all.nl>.
Hi all,
My name is Simon Brouwer. For my profession, I develop electronics and
firmware for auto-ID equipment such as hand-held data collection
terminals. In my free time I have been active in OpenOffice.org since
2001 and have been project lead of the Dutch native-lang subproject
since its beginning in 2002.
My contributions include making Dutch spell checking available in OOo,
authoring most of nl.openoffice.org web content, coordinating the Dutch
OOo community, writing the "t9n tools" that greatly helped with the
translation of the online help to Dutch (and some other languages too),
and providing a number of Dutch builds for Windows until Hamburg took over.
Following up on the Dutch spell checking, I later co-founded the
OpenTaal project, which provides free Dutch linguistics resources that
are used in OpenOffice.org and many other open source projects.
I have some programming experience in C/C++ and Java and have built
OpenOffice.org from source under Windows and Linux.
Although I have been very busy at work and will be for the foreseeable
future, I hope to find some time to contribute to the continued success
of OpenOffice.org.
Best regards,
Simon Brouwer
http://nl.openoffice.org
http://www.opentaal.org
http://simonbr.xs4all.nl/wiki/
Op 7-6-2011 19:12, robert_weir@us.ibm.com schreef:
> By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
> committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
> respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong
> commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
> further,
>
> On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
> OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and
> certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
> commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO
> names.
>
> There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as
> well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Yegor Kozlov <ye...@dinom.ru>.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Andre Schnabel <An...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> Von: Yegor Kozlov <ye...@apache.org>
>
>>
>> I'm interested in bringing the ODF Toolkit to Apache and integrating
>> this API with Apache POI. With ODF, POI will become a universal API
>> for Office documents covering most of popular office formats.
>
> As I see this the second time in an introduction now - please be aware
> that the current project proposal is not about ODF toolkit.
>
> Although ODF toolkit once was a sub-project of OOo, it is now a
> seperate project (http://odftoolkit.org/) and (afaik) does not
> share code with OpenOffice.org. People from IBM might give more
> details, as they helped to create ODF-toolkit as independend project.
>
Apache POI is mentioned in the proposal, see Relationships With Other
Apache Products. Rob mentioned the ODF toolkit too, so I thought it is
relevant.
>
> PS.: the good thing for Apache is, that ODF toolit is under Apache License
> already.
>
> http://odftoolkit.org/docs/license.txt
>
Not really, the source code goes under Oracle' Edition of ALv2 and all
Java files include this header:
/************************************************************************
*
* DO NOT ALTER OR REMOVE COPYRIGHT NOTICES OR THIS FILE HEADER
*
* Copyright 2010 Oracle and/or its affiliates. All rights reserved.ed.
*
* Use is subject to license terms.
*
* Licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (the "License"); you may not
* use this file except in compliance with the License. You may obtain a copy
* of the License at http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0. You can also
* obtain a copy of the License at http://odftoolkit.org/docs/license.txt
*
* Unless required by applicable law or agreed to in writing, software
* distributed under the License is distributed on an "AS IS" BASIS, WITHOUT
* WARRANTIES OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, either express or implied.
*
* See the License for the specific language governing permissions and
* limitations under the License.
*
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Re: Document automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?)
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
>> Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF
>> transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and
>> make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing
>> the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony.
>>
>>
>
> I think your observation is correct. The ODF Toolkit does not currently
> have a good way of generating print or print equivalent output from an ODF
> document. The Toolkit had no layout or rendering support.
>
> But I wonder if this is something that Apache FOP could help solve?
>
> The styling vocabulary of ODF is loosely borrowed from XSL Formatting
> Objects (XSL:FO). It may be possible to generate XSL:FO from ODF much
> more easily than converting from ODF to PDF or Postscript directly. But
> once we have the XSL:FO intermediary, then the pipeline could continue
> with Apache FOP to target formats ranging from PDF to raster images.
>
> Does that sound plausible? Someone needs to do the layout and rendering.
> But I hate to see that code written more than once. The ODF->XSL:FO
> conversion would be a great toolkit enhancement. Has POI done this with
> the Microsoft formats?
POI is more about reading, writing and calculating than it is about rendering. Users come to the list with questions about it, usually to HTML, and we help. In POI Excel is much better covered. Lately Word has finally been getting some attention.
Yegor and I have experimented outside the POI project with PPT2PS (and PDF) conversion so that we can make use of slides in our postscript workflow. We have been using some EPS generated by OOo for this, but likely due to the font embedding issues that Robert referenced earlier these EPS have the text rendered as shapes which is awful looking because font anti-aliasing is gone ... big fat lowercase "l" etc for Arial of all things.
One trouble with the FOP approach is that layout and rendering of tricky features is pushed even farther away from OOo. Not knowing the details, but knowing rendering and layout, there must certainly be code to do it in OOo. I would want to follow that - it is what the ODF toolkit ought to use from the core. Maybe the trouble with that approach is that the rendering there is too tied in with GUI considerations?
IIRC - FOP like POI can suffer from the need to have the whole DOM in memory. If you have ever built a 6000 page PDF ...
We have thought of using PDFBox...
I think until we figure out where the rendering and layout should come from, the ODF Toolkit should be included as part of the Apache OOo podling. If the community decides it needs separate incubation that's fine.
Exploring these trade-offs scientifically is what's needed - in the podling.
I need to stop reading these emails and start reading the OOo site and looking at code.
Now back to work...
Best Regards,
Dave
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Re: Dcument automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed
committers" introduce themselves?)
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Actually I evaluated XSL-FO rendering engines quite excessively
including Apache FOP. At that point in time (2009) Apache FOP still
had performance issues in scenarios where you would generate thousands
of business correspondence documents to be sent to clients on a daily
basis. In the end we decided to go with a commercial XSL-FO rendering
engine vendor where we had been using Apache FOP initially.
Additionally at that point in time the most recent Apache FOP version
did not have an open source approval which is of course an
IBM-internal detail.
The reason why we picked a commercial XSL-FO rendering engine was it's
stability, some proof records such as clients already using this
particular commercial XSL-FO rendering engine and it's feature
richness such as AFP and 2D barcode (e.g. data matrix) support which
is essential if you want to directly print to commercial printers.
IIRC besides those issues one issue that probably applies to any
XSL-FO rendering engine at least to a certain degree is that depending
on how much time you spend on the XSL stylesheet it might be pretty
expensive (in terms of man hours) to reassemble the layout of the
original ODF document in the PDF document (e.g. the final document
generated during runtime does not look the same to what has been
defined by the business user during design time either using Symphony
or OO). Hence my statement that it would have been nice if the core
Symphony/OO ODF->PDF transformation would have been available as a
separate library/module which could have been run on the server (AIX
or z/OS). That way the business user would have been using the same
transformation engine as the one used on the backend.
These days, if I would be in a position to redo the design I would be
tempted to figure out whether the whole transformation process could
be off-loaded to a self-contained appliance such as datapower XA35 or
even XI50. The datapower blade extension unit would even offer to
off-load MIPS from the mainframe, something that illustrates that
efficient ODF transformation is key in commercial environments where
MIPS are expensive.
But anyway I guess this scenario is a pretty advanced scenario cause
it involves a distributed server infrastructure and a business
application that generates large amounts of either PDF or AFP
documents on a daily basis.
Cheers
Daniel
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:51 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote on 06/08/2011 12:15:52 PM:
>
>>
>> Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF
>> transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and
>> make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing
>> the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony.
>>
>>
>
> I think your observation is correct. The ODF Toolkit does not currently
> have a good way of generating print or print equivalent output from an ODF
> document. The Toolkit had no layout or rendering support.
>
> But I wonder if this is something that Apache FOP could help solve?
>
> The styling vocabulary of ODF is loosely borrowed from XSL Formatting
> Objects (XSL:FO). It may be possible to generate XSL:FO from ODF much
> more easily than converting from ODF to PDF or Postscript directly. But
> once we have the XSL:FO intermediary, then the pipeline could continue
> with Apache FOP to target formats ranging from PDF to raster images.
>
> Does that sound plausible? Someone needs to do the layout and rendering.
> But I hate to see that code written more than once. The ODF->XSL:FO
> conversion would be a great toolkit enhancement. Has POI done this with
> the Microsoft formats?
>
> -Rob
>
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Dcument automation with ODF (was Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce
themselves?)
Posted by ro...@us.ibm.com.
dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote on 06/08/2011 12:15:52 PM:
>
> Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF
> transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and
> make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing
> the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony.
>
>
I think your observation is correct. The ODF Toolkit does not currently
have a good way of generating print or print equivalent output from an ODF
document. The Toolkit had no layout or rendering support.
But I wonder if this is something that Apache FOP could help solve?
The styling vocabulary of ODF is loosely borrowed from XSL Formatting
Objects (XSL:FO). It may be possible to generate XSL:FO from ODF much
more easily than converting from ODF to PDF or Postscript directly. But
once we have the XSL:FO intermediary, then the pipeline could continue
with Apache FOP to target formats ranging from PDF to raster images.
Does that sound plausible? Someone needs to do the layout and rendering.
But I hate to see that code written more than once. The ODF->XSL:FO
conversion would be a great toolkit enhancement. Has POI done this with
the Microsoft formats?
-Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
Of course we had been using ODFDOM but the issue is how do you get ODF
transformed accordingly to other formats such as RTF, AFP or PDF and
make those formats look consistent with what you would get if doing
the transformation natively during design time in OO or Symphony.
Anyway I suspect that's an off-topic detail that may distract others
from the initial intent of this thread.
Cheers
Daniel
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:04 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote on 06/08/2011 10:37:46 AM:
>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is
> going
>> > to involve document manipulations at both tiers. For example, we
> recently
>> > (at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved using Symphony,
> extended
>> > with a Plugin, submitting documents into a workflow, where they were
>> > introspected and validated using the ODF Toolkit.
>> >
>>
>> Of course the ODF Toolkit isn't a golden fleece for server side ODF
>> processing. I would rather call it a good compromise offering some
>> room for improvement. If we would have had a choice we would have
>> preferred a headless OO runing on either AIX or z/OS ;) For instances
>> you still have to code a comprehensive amount of XSL stylesheets if
>> using the ODF toolkit. One drawback we faced was that customers
>> created their ODF documents during design time using Symphony and
>> during runtime while mass-producing business correspondence documents
>> the ODF Toolkit generated documents which were not 100% formatted
>> equal to what has been created in Symphony earlier on. Thus our
>> preference to use the same formatting engine (i.e. Symphony/OO) during
>> both design time and run time.
>>
>
> The ODF Toolkit Union has several projects. It sounds like you have been
> using the XSLT Runner component?
>
> We also have ODFDOM. This is a Java API that uses a code generation
> approach, giving a typed DOM that is 1:1 with the ODF schema. So this can
> read and write documents and preserve 100% of the its contents,
> formatting, metadata, etc.
>
> On top of that (we all need layers, right?) we have the Simple Java API
> for ODF, which is a high level API for manipulating the document. So
> things that might be a complex operation touching many ODF elements, like
> deleting a column in a table, are done in a single function call in the
> Simple API. We also took a set of "navigators" to select interesting
> content in the document. So you can do a regular expression search and
> replace. But also search for all text with style = "header 3" and then do
> something on it. You can extract the text of a document in one line of
> code. You can copy a presentation slide from one presentation and put it
> into a another in one line of code, etc. The cool thing, in my opinion,
> compared to other ODF API's, is because the Simple API is based on ODFDOM
> and ODFDOM is generated from the ODF schema directly, then the Simple API
> manipulations preserve all of the existing document content.
>
> You can see the details here: http://simple.odftoolkit.org/
>
> We also have a validation component, with tools for validating conformance
> of ODF documents,
>
> And we have a C# ODF API, which I don't know so much about.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by ro...@us.ibm.com.
dsh <da...@googlemail.com> wrote on 06/08/2011 10:37:46 AM:
>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is
going
> > to involve document manipulations at both tiers. For example, we
recently
> > (at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved using Symphony,
extended
> > with a Plugin, submitting documents into a workflow, where they were
> > introspected and validated using the ODF Toolkit.
> >
>
> Of course the ODF Toolkit isn't a golden fleece for server side ODF
> processing. I would rather call it a good compromise offering some
> room for improvement. If we would have had a choice we would have
> preferred a headless OO runing on either AIX or z/OS ;) For instances
> you still have to code a comprehensive amount of XSL stylesheets if
> using the ODF toolkit. One drawback we faced was that customers
> created their ODF documents during design time using Symphony and
> during runtime while mass-producing business correspondence documents
> the ODF Toolkit generated documents which were not 100% formatted
> equal to what has been created in Symphony earlier on. Thus our
> preference to use the same formatting engine (i.e. Symphony/OO) during
> both design time and run time.
>
The ODF Toolkit Union has several projects. It sounds like you have been
using the XSLT Runner component?
We also have ODFDOM. This is a Java API that uses a code generation
approach, giving a typed DOM that is 1:1 with the ODF schema. So this can
read and write documents and preserve 100% of the its contents,
formatting, metadata, etc.
On top of that (we all need layers, right?) we have the Simple Java API
for ODF, which is a high level API for manipulating the document. So
things that might be a complex operation touching many ODF elements, like
deleting a column in a table, are done in a single function call in the
Simple API. We also took a set of "navigators" to select interesting
content in the document. So you can do a regular expression search and
replace. But also search for all text with style = "header 3" and then do
something on it. You can extract the text of a document in one line of
code. You can copy a presentation slide from one presentation and put it
into a another in one line of code, etc. The cool thing, in my opinion,
compared to other ODF API's, is because the Simple API is based on ODFDOM
and ODFDOM is generated from the ODF schema directly, then the Simple API
manipulations preserve all of the existing document content.
You can see the details here: http://simple.odftoolkit.org/
We also have a validation component, with tools for validating conformance
of ODF documents,
And we have a C# ODF API, which I don't know so much about.
Regards,
-Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by dsh <da...@googlemail.com>.
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:58 PM, <ro...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is going
> to involve document manipulations at both tiers. For example, we recently
> (at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved using Symphony, extended
> with a Plugin, submitting documents into a workflow, where they were
> introspected and validated using the ODF Toolkit.
>
Of course the ODF Toolkit isn't a golden fleece for server side ODF
processing. I would rather call it a good compromise offering some
room for improvement. If we would have had a choice we would have
preferred a headless OO runing on either AIX or z/OS ;) For instances
you still have to code a comprehensive amount of XSL stylesheets if
using the ODF toolkit. One drawback we faced was that customers
created their ODF documents during design time using Symphony and
during runtime while mass-producing business correspondence documents
the ODF Toolkit generated documents which were not 100% formatted
equal to what has been created in Symphony earlier on. Thus our
preference to use the same formatting engine (i.e. Symphony/OO) during
both design time and run time.
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by ro...@us.ibm.com.
"Andre Schnabel" <An...@gmx.net> wrote on 06/08/2011 04:40:56 AM:
>
> > Von: Yegor Kozlov <ye...@apache.org>
>
> >
> > I'm interested in bringing the ODF Toolkit to Apache and integrating
> > this API with Apache POI. With ODF, POI will become a universal API
> > for Office documents covering most of popular office formats.
>
> As I see this the second time in an introduction now - please be aware
> that the current project proposal is not about ODF toolkit.
>
> Although ODF toolkit once was a sub-project of OOo, it is now a
> seperate project (http://odftoolkit.org/) and (afaik) does not
> share code with OpenOffice.org. People from IBM might give more
> details, as they helped to create ODF-toolkit as independend project.
>
This was in a previous discussion. I am interested in bringing the ODF
Toolkit over to Apache. It is already 100% Apache 2.0 license.
I'm a Steering Committee member on the ODF Toolkit Union, but obviously
there are others, and we'll want to bring them and the developers in on
this discussion.
What is not resolved at this point is whether we target the ODF Toolkit as
part of the OpenOffice, target it as a new TLP, or target it to POI. I
think one could make a good argument for either one of these. My main
recommendation was to defer this discussion and decision until after the
debate on the OpenOffice proposal was done. Then we can engage the ODF
Toolkit Union in this discussion.
The connection of OOo and ODF Toolkit is like this, from app developer
perspective:
1) If you want to do desktop client manipulation of documents, with a GUI
and within the editors, then we have UNO-based scripting. This could
include some kinds of batch processing.
2) If you want to do server side processing of documents, then you could
run OOo on server as well, with the obvious performance constraints. Or
you could use the ODF Toolkit, which is a lighter weight solution. POI
developers would be familiar with this advantage, as well as the
liabilities, e.g., who calculates/updates formulas, who creates/updates
metafiles, etc.
A sufficiently complex business application based on OpenOffice is going
to involve document manipulations at both tiers. For example, we recently
(at IBM) made an insurance solution that involved using Symphony, extended
with a Plugin, submitting documents into a workflow, where they were
introspected and validated using the ODF Toolkit.
I'm sure many of us are familiar with the range of documents out there,
from fully structured XML, forms, to semi-structured documents, to
unstructured free-form documents. From what I've seen the sweet spot for
ODF/OpenOffice automation is in the semi-structured area, where it is not
quite structured enough to go with a form, but requires some free-form
work by the user in a familiar word processor.
So wherever the code goes, I think we'll want/need close technical
coordination via a triangle of concerns:
1) The ODF editors, OpenOffice, LibreOffice, etc.
2) The ODF Toolkit
3) The ODF Standard, i.e., the Technical Committee at OASIS
I intend to be involved across all three. I think that makes sense for
anyone interested in the document automation scenarios, things that go
beyond mere interactive editing.
Regards,
-Rob
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Andre Schnabel <An...@gmx.net>.
Hi,
> Von: Yegor Kozlov <ye...@apache.org>
>
> I'm interested in bringing the ODF Toolkit to Apache and integrating
> this API with Apache POI. With ODF, POI will become a universal API
> for Office documents covering most of popular office formats.
As I see this the second time in an introduction now - please be aware
that the current project proposal is not about ODF toolkit.
Although ODF toolkit once was a sub-project of OOo, it is now a
seperate project (http://odftoolkit.org/) and (afaik) does not
share code with OpenOffice.org. People from IBM might give more
details, as they helped to create ODF-toolkit as independend project.
regards,
André
PS.: the good thing for Apache is, that ODF toolit is under Apache License
already.
http://odftoolkit.org/docs/license.txt
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Yegor Kozlov <ye...@apache.org>.
My name is Yegor Kozlov. I'm a Java developer, committer and a PMC in
the Apache POI project. I've been hacking Microsoft Office formats
since 2005 and got pretty solid knowledge of the internals of MS Excel
and PowerPoint.
I'm interested in bringing the ODF Toolkit to Apache and integrating
this API with Apache POI. With ODF, POI will become a universal API
for Office documents covering most of popular office formats.
Apache POI is a conduit to other Apache products, in particular, to
Apache Tika which uses POI for text extraction. Support for ODF is
certainly a subject of interest here.
Regards,
Yegor
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by do...@us.ibm.com.
Indeed!
Hat's off to Germany, the place of OpenOffice.org birth...
Onward!
"Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com> wrote on 06/09/2011 03:47:05 PM:
> From: "Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org, jopp@gmx.de
> Date: 06/09/2011 03:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
>
> Hi Christoph,
>
> 2011/6/9 Christoph Jopp <jo...@gmx.de>:
> > Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
> >> upps forgot ...
> >>
> >> reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
> >> ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some
> experiences ;-) )
> >
> > I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)
>
> :-) :-) :-)
>
> M.
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com>.
Hi Christoph,
2011/6/9 Christoph Jopp <jo...@gmx.de>:
> Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
>> upps forgot ...
>>
>> reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
>> ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
>
> I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)
:-) :-) :-)
M.
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Christoph Jopp <jo...@gmx.de>.
Am 09.06.2011 18:32, schrieb Manfred A. Reiter:
> upps forgot ...
>
> reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
> ( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
I hope it will not take 40 years ;-)
>
> 2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter <ma...@gmail.com>:
> [...]
>
>> Interested in helping:
>> Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation,
>> community formation, internationalisation (not code, but
>> documentation)
>>
>
> Manfred
>
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com>.
upps forgot ...
reunification if somehow possible ... to be even stronger ;-)
( please observe: in reunification we as germans have some experiences ;-) )
2011/6/9 Manfred A. Reiter <ma...@gmail.com>:
[...]
> Interested in helping:
> Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation,
> community formation, internationalisation (not code, but
> documentation)
>
Manfred
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by "Manfred A. Reiter" <ma...@gmail.com>.
2011/6/7 <ro...@us.ibm.com>
>
> By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
> committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
> respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong
> commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
> further,
>
> On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
> OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and
> certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
> commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO
> names.
>
> There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as
> well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
On the OOo lists, it was good practice that *all* presented themselves,
even if they thought all right to be known.
It would be helpful, fair and "good for the spirit" on the ASF-OOo
lists to do it
in the same way in the future.
I think a person, starting such a thread, should set a good example. ;-)
sorry for DEnglish ;-) - I hope my portuguese is better ;-)
-- .- .-.
just me:
- not a hacker;-), studied business administration, University of
Saarbrücken, Germany
- former OOo Co-lead of the German project,
- Community member since SUN, initiated the comminity, documentation,
internationalisation,
marketing, representation of OOo on show - CeBIT, LinuxTag,in
companies such as Bitburger
Brewery (some in "incubator/OpenOfficeProposal" will remember),
COMMON Conferenz 2002 IBM
e-Series meeting, Bad-Honnef, etc.
- European school projects with OOo ... with schools in Portugal,
Spain, Poland,Slovakia, Turkey,
England,
- former head teacher of vocational schools
- business administration and computer science
- 7 years Latin America, São Paulo, Brazil and responsible for the
bilateral German vocational schools in Latin America (Mexico,
Guatemala, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Argentina,
Paraguay and Uruguay)
- still good friends with a lot of TDF members;-)
- part-time and thus time for OS projects
Interested in helping:
Marketing, OOo in education sector, fundraising, documentation,
community formation, internationalisation (not code, but
documentation)
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Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?
Posted by Dieter Loeschky <di...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
I'm with the OpenOffice.org code base since the very first beginning.
While still being an Oracle employee, my engagement here will be on an
individual base.
Here are some aspects of my OOo history in a nutshell:
- started at Star Division as lead developer of the Impress application
C++ implementation in core and UI, integration of the Drawing Layer,
Edit Engine, SFX, etc.
- project lead of the graphics project at OOo
kicked off the graphics project which includes Impress, Draw, Chart,
Drawing Engine, etc.
- project lead of the i18n project at OOo
kicked off the i18n project which focus on all aspects of
internationalization and Unicode support
- co-lead of the performance project at OOo
kicked off the performance project which takes care of startup and
load/save performance
- member of the OOo engineering steering committee
- coaching internal (at Star Division, Sun and Oracle) and external
developers over years, intensive team building
- deep knowledge about the office market and product requirements
- deep knowledge about building and delivering OOo releases in time and
in best quality
ODF related work
- helped to initiate the ODF standardization at OASIS
- helped to initiate the ODF Toolkit project at odftoolkit.org
- member of the engineering steering committee of the odftoolkit.org project
I would love to see one united OpenOffice.org project and hope that this
Apache project can be the base of all OOo flavors.
Regards,
Dieter
Am 07.06.11 19:12, schrieb robert_weir@us.ibm.com:
> By my count we have now have over 60 individuals listed on as proposed
> committers for the Apache OpenOffice project. I think this is a
> respectable start, though obviously the project will need to have a strong
> commitment to recruiting additional developers and growing the project
> further,
>
> On the list are many names on the list familiar to me, some from the
> OpenOffice.org community, some ODF experts, some involved in training and
> certification, some in globalization, some from downstream projects,
> commercial and open source, Symphony, RedOffice, EducOOo, even some TDF/LO
> names.
>
> There are also a lot of names that I do not recognize. This is good as
> well. I may have need of some new friends soon ;-)
>
> I think it would be good if the proposed committers who have not yet done
> so, could post a quick note to the list, to introduce yourself and your
> interest in this project. Think of this as an opportunity to introduce
> yourself to your future collaborators on Apache OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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