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Posted to users@groovy.apache.org by MG <mg...@arscreat.com> on 2018/02/14 21:58:24 UTC
@Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with
regards to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at
least) some part of Groovy development ?
Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It
would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could
also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take
his significant other out for a nice dinner.
Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does
someone of the main devs not like the idea ?
mg
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by MG <mg...@arscreat.com>.
Positively surprised by the responses so far :-)
I agree that one or more concrete goals would be easiest to entice
people to fund some development. Batching together multiple goals might
have its merits, since it would allow goals with less support to also be
funded over time.
I hve to date only funded projects (on Kickstarter
(https://www.kickstarter.com) and Indiegogo (https://www.indiegogo.com)).
Does anyone have any experience with funding software projects on these
or better suited platforms ?
Having the platform take less of the money would be an obvious goal,
which could be achievd by creating a Paypal address which people can
donate money to - but that has never the same pull as multiple people
trying to achieve a common funding goal within a set time period...
How to reach people is another important question: This mailing ist has
about 450 subscribers, which, given that Groovy is the #2 JVM language,
is a small number. Question is how many could be reached through other
channels (Twitter ? Slack ? Classic media ?...) ?
With regards to "who should get how much": Right now I would have a good
feeling that the small number of main contributors will find a way to
agree to a key between them, especially considering that it seems it is
mostly one or maybe two person(s) working on a particular topic. I woud
feel that at least some money should always go into supporting the less
sexy Groovy tasks, such as continuing to stay compatible with Java,
fixing bugs etc.
Cheers,
mg
On 16.02.2018 11:49, Jochen Theodorou wrote:
>
>
> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard
>> policy is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>
> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might
> be wrong here.
>
>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it
>> was done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined
>> goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract
>> some one-off investment interest.
>
> +1
>
> bye Jochen
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Eric Kinsella <er...@gmail.com>.
From a cursory look Pateron takes 5% and accepts PayPal. It’s more of a
ongoing thing like public radio. As low as $1 a month.
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:17 AM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
> already have an account...).
>
> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>
> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>
> https://www.patreon.com
>
> What is Patreon? - video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>
> Cheers,
> Eric Kinsella
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
>
>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>> mug o.s. :-)
>>
>>
>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>
>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
>> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
>> that too.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>
>>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>>> wrong here.
>>>
>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> bye Jochen
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Alessio Stalla <al...@gmail.com>.
There is also BountySource https://www.bountysource.com/
I would love to see Groovy there!
On 22 February 2018 at 00:00, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
> Hi Mario,
>
> thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage
> correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g. a
> developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't know
> if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would probably
> have a larger number of people giving smaller amounts to fund a
> development goal together...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> I thought this could be worth sharing.
>
> The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
> https://tribe.taiga.io/)
>
> Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
> was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
> through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/).
> So tasks could be managed in the context of a project.
>
> More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
>
> https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
>
> I hope this helps
> Mario
>
> 2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG <mg...@arscreat.com>:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
>> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
>> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
>> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
>> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
>> already have an account...).
>>
>> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
>> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>>
>> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
>> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
>> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>>
>> https://www.patreon.com
>>
>> What is Patreon? - video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eric Kinsella
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>>> mug o.s. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as
>>> simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would
>>> love that too.
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might
>>>> be wrong here.
>>>>
>>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Mario Garcia <ma...@gmail.com>.
Yes MG, that's right, it wouldn't be like a crowd funding, but a one-on-one
relationship. I guess this solution would work only if there is like a
Groovy foundation managing the tasks/money.
Mario
2018-02-22 0:00 GMT+01:00 MG <mg...@arscreat.com>:
> Hi Mario,
>
> thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage
> correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g. a
> developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't know
> if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would probably
> have a larger number of people giving smaller amounts to fund a
> development goal together...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> I thought this could be worth sharing.
>
> The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
> https://tribe.taiga.io/)
>
> Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
> was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
> through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/).
> So tasks could be managed in the context of a project.
>
> More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
>
> https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
>
> I hope this helps
> Mario
>
> 2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG <mg...@arscreat.com>:
>
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
>> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
>> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
>> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
>> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
>> already have an account...).
>>
>> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
>> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mg
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>>
>> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
>> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
>> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>>
>> https://www.patreon.com
>>
>> What is Patreon? - video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eric Kinsella
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>>> mug o.s. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as
>>> simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would
>>> love that too.
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might
>>>> be wrong here.
>>>>
>>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> bye Jochen
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by MG <mg...@arscreat.com>.
Hi Mario,
thank you for the input. If I interpret the information on the webpage
correctly, the system works for one-on-one funding of tasks between e.g.
a developer and a stakeholder for specific tasks of a project. I don't
know if this would work in the case of Groovy, because here we would
probably have a larger number of people giving smaller amounts to fund
a development goal together...
Cheers,
mg
On 21.02.2018 15:50, Mario Garcia wrote:
> Ithought this could be worth sharing.
>
> The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe
> (https://tribe.taiga.io/)
>
> Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development.
> It was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be
> managed through the open sourced Taiga management platform
> (https://taiga.io/). So tasks could be managed in the context of a
> project.
>
> More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
>
> https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
>
> I hope this helps
> Mario
>
> 2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG <mgbiz@arscreat.com
> <ma...@arscreat.com>>:
>
> Hi Eric,
>
> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take
> for their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about
> this, and not accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to
> keep the entry barrier as low as possible; that would exclude
> Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but here one could probably
> assume that many potential Groovy backers would already have an
> account...).
>
> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically
> attract more funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are
>> using Patreon. A possible alternative to something like
>> KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of a subscription model which
>> could even be $1/month.
>>
>> https://www.patreon.com
>>
>> What is Patreon? - video
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Eric Kinsella
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mgbiz@arscreat.com
>> <ma...@arscreat.com>> wrote:
>>
>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy
>> "thank you" mug o.s. :-)
>>
>>
>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also
>>> something as simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt,
>>> sticker or a mug. I would love that too.
>>>
>>> Mario
>>>
>>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou"
>>> <blackdrag@gmx.org <ma...@gmx.org>> escribió:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>
>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think
>>> the standard policy is that it isn't then directed
>>> back to a specific project.
>>>
>>>
>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only
>>> policy... might be wrong here.
>>>
>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing
>>> this so long as it was done well - and most of us
>>> wonder whether we have the time to market/advertise
>>> it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined
>>> goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly
>>> helps to attract some one-off investment interest.
>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> bye Jochen
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Mario Garcia <ma...@gmail.com>.
I thought this could be worth sharing.
The company I work for developed some time ago, Tribe (
https://tribe.taiga.io/)
Tribe is a task-based employment marketplace for product development. It
was created with software development in mind. The tasks can be managed
through the open sourced Taiga management platform (https://taiga.io/). So
tasks could be managed in the context of a project.
More details about Tribe (how it works, payments...) :
https://tribe.taiga.io/help/how-it-works
I hope this helps
Mario
2018-02-18 17:17 GMT+01:00 MG <mg...@arscreat.com>:
> Hi Eric,
>
> thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
> their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and not
> accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry barrier as
> low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to their FAQ, but
> here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy backers would
> already have an account...).
>
> Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract more
> funding), or is a subscription only model ?
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>
> On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
>
> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo
> with more of a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
>
> https://www.patreon.com
>
> What is Patreon? - video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>
> Cheers,
> Eric Kinsella
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
>
>> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
>> mug o.s. :-)
>>
>>
>> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>>
>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
>> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
>> that too.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
>> escribió:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>>
>>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>>> wrong here.
>>>
>>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> bye Jochen
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by MG <mg...@arscreat.com>.
Hi Eric,
thank you for the suggestion. Do you know how much money they take for
their service and if they accept Paypal (I just thought about this, and
not accepting Paypal is imho close to a knockout, to keep the entry
barrier as low as possible; that would exclude Kickstarter according to
their FAQ, but here one could probably assume that many potential Groovy
backers would already have an account...).
Do they support specific funding foals also (which typically attract
more funding), or is a subscription only model ?
Cheers,
mg
On 18.02.2018 14:15, Eric Kinsella wrote:
> I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using
> Patreon. A possible alternative to something like
> KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of a subscription model which could
> even be $1/month.
>
> https://www.patreon.com
>
> What is Patreon? - video
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
>
> Cheers,
> Eric Kinsella
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mgbiz@arscreat.com
> <ma...@arscreat.com>> wrote:
>
> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank
> you" mug o.s. :-)
>
>
> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something
>> as simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a
>> mug. I would love that too.
>>
>> Mario
>>
>> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou"
>> <blackdrag@gmx.org <ma...@gmx.org>> escribió:
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>
>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the
>> standard policy is that it isn't then directed back to a
>> specific project.
>>
>>
>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only
>> policy... might be wrong here.
>>
>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so
>> long as it was done well - and most of us wonder whether
>> we have the time to market/advertise it well. I also
>> suspect that having a well-defined goal (like what JUnit
>> 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>> one-off investment interest.
>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> bye Jochen
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Eric Kinsella <er...@gmail.com>.
I know of some indie game developers and podcasters that are using Patreon.
A possible alternative to something like KickStarter/Indiegogo with more of
a subscription model which could even be $1/month.
https://www.patreon.com
What is Patreon? - video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rwvUjAv6pxg
Cheers,
Eric Kinsella
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
> That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you" mug
> o.s. :-)
>
>
> On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
>
> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
> as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
> that too.
>
> Mario
>
> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
> escribió:
>
>>
>>
>> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>>
>>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
>>> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>>
>>
>> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
>> wrong here.
>>
>> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>>> one-off investment interest.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> bye Jochen
>>
>
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by MG <mg...@arscreat.com>.
That should be no problem, I would be happy to do a Groovy "thank you"
mug o.s. :-)
On 16.02.2018 17:11, Mario Garcia wrote:
> +1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as
> simple as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I
> would love that too.
>
> Mario
>
> El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <blackdrag@gmx.org
> <ma...@gmx.org>> escribió:
>
>
>
> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>
> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the
> standard policy is that it isn't then directed back to a
> specific project.
>
>
> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy...
> might be wrong here.
>
> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long
> as it was done well - and most of us wonder whether we have
> the time to market/advertise it well. I also suspect that
> having a well-defined goal (like what JUnit 5 did to some
> degree) greatly helps to attract some one-off investment interest.
>
>
> +1
>
> bye Jochen
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Mario Garcia <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 but also keep in mind that sometimes could be also something as simple
as a "grateful box pack" with a T-shirt, sticker or a mug. I would love
that too.
Mario
El 16 feb. 2018 11:49 a. m., "Jochen Theodorou" <bl...@gmx.org>
escribió:
>
>
> Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
>
>> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy is
>> that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
>>
>
> I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
> wrong here.
>
> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
>> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
>> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
>> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
>> one-off investment interest.
>>
>
> +1
>
> bye Jochen
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>.
Am 16.02.2018 um 03:27 schrieb Paul King:
> Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy
> is that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
I actually am of the impression that this is the only policy... might be
wrong here.
> I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
> done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
> market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
> (like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
> one-off investment interest.
+1
bye Jochen
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
Actually, Apache also accept donations but I think the standard policy is
that it isn't then directed back to a specific project.
I think in general we would be in favor of doing this so long as it was
done well - and most of us wonder whether we have the time to
market/advertise it well. I also suspect that having a well-defined goal
(like what JUnit 5 did to some degree) greatly helps to attract some
one-off investment interest.
Cheers, Paul.
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
wrote:
> On 14.02.2018 22:58, MG wrote:
>
>> I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with regards
>> to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at least) some
>> part of Groovy development ?
>>
>> Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It
>> would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could
>> also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take his
>> significant other out for a nice dinner.
>>
>> Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does
>> someone of the main devs not like the idea ?
>>
>
> It is not frowned upon or forbidden by Apache, as long as it does not
> involve Apache directly. For example you won't be able to give money to
> Apache and Apache gives the money to the guys to be paid. We can set
> something like this up through other means. The problem is the modalities.
> Who gets how much? In the past we did get some small money here and there
> for different things, which usually have been used to finance developer
> meetings and such. Maybe a "prize money" for a specific issue would be an
> option.
>
> bye Jochen
>
Re: @Groovy Champions: Groovy Development Funding ?
Posted by Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>.
On 14.02.2018 22:58, MG wrote:
> I have asked this before but have not received any reply, so with
> regards to Groovy Champions: What are thoughts on crowd funding (at
> least) some part of Groovy development ?
>
> Giving someone honors is good, but giving someone money is also nice. It
> would not necessarily mean that it is actual payment as such, but could
> also be a thank you that would e.g. allow a major contributor to take
> his significant other out for a nice dinner.
>
> Is this frowned upon (or even forbidden) by the Apache foundation ? Does
> someone of the main devs not like the idea ?
It is not frowned upon or forbidden by Apache, as long as it does not
involve Apache directly. For example you won't be able to give money to
Apache and Apache gives the money to the guys to be paid. We can set
something like this up through other means. The problem is the
modalities. Who gets how much? In the past we did get some small money
here and there for different things, which usually have been used to
finance developer meetings and such. Maybe a "prize money" for a
specific issue would be an option.
bye Jochen