List of legit mass mailers

[Marc Perkel <su...@junkemailfilter.com>]

Just wondering if anyone has - or in interested in - a list of legit 
mass mailing sources?

There are many domains that remail/deliver for other domains that are 
95%+ good email. And they are not perfect and sometimes they get scammed 
but are mostly good.

Just wondering if anyone has a list - or is interested in me producing 
such a list?

-- 
Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
support@junkemailfilter.com
http://www.junkemailfilter.com
Junk Email Filter dot com
415-992-3400

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Pedro David Marco <pe...@yahoo.com>]

of course that would be very interesting!!!!!

---Pedro.


Just wondering if anyone has - or in interested in - a list of legit 
mass mailing sources?

There are many domains that remail/deliver for other domains that are 
95%+ good email. And they are not perfect and sometimes they get scammed 
but are mostly good.

Just wondering if anyone has a list - or is interested in me producing 
such a list?

   

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Axb <ax...@gmail.com>]

dead horse - please move on


On 03/08/2017 04:11 PM, Ruga wrote:
> Spamassassin is a perl regex parser for e-mails. Nothing more. Most
> of our filtering happens way before SA enters the stage. When SA gets
> the chance, our custom SA rules serve as proactive forensic evidence
> of a spammer's new trick. We do not give shit if SA is funded by
> advertisers. SA's own rules are useless, so much that we no longer
> waste bandwidth to download them. You could stop distributing your
> rules, and we would not even notice. So t hat's who we are and what
> you do.
>
>
>
> Store X is not a mass mailer if it has your consent for the
> occasional or periodic advert on products that you have an interest
> on. Store X is also wise enough to send their own mail from their own
> well configured server.
>
> Mass mailers hit you without your consent, and they do their very
> best to hide their tracks.
>
> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Kevin A. McGrail <KM...@PCCC.com>
> wrote: On 3/8/2017 9:23 AM, Ruga wrote:
>> This is spamassassin... We are against mass mailers.
> No, we're not and you don't speak for the project. Please do not do
> so.
>
> In fact, I don't speak for the project but as a long-time project
> contributor and chair emeritus, I have ALWAYS used the definition
> that spam is about conSent not conTent. I believe it was Chris
> Santerre that gave that concept years ago and I've extrapolated on it
> over the years especially for clarity on mass mailers and
> capitalism.
>
> The key point is if you consented to receive it, it is not spam. I
> don't care if the content is the spammiest looking content in
> existence today, that's a FP if it is blocked.
>
> Legit mass marketers sending clear emails that have been conSented
> to receive those messages are welcome and should be supported to the
> demise of the illegitimate players.
>
> Going further, as a capitalist, I have always extended concepts of
> conSent to include: - Requiring clear opt-in/opt-out checkboxes -
> Requiring simply and quick unsubscribe mechanisms - Implied consent
> for transactional information. I.e. I buy something from Macy's,
> Macy's can email me the 1-time receipt. Follow-up surveys, coupons,
> etc. would require clear conSent noting that while I do not like it,
> consent boxes that are checked ON by default are not a reason to
> block.
>
> My $0.02, KAM
>

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Ruga <ru...@protonmail.com>]

Spamassassin is a perl regex parser for e-mails. Nothing more. Most of our filtering happens way before SA enters the stage. When SA gets the chance, our custom SA rules serve as proactive forensic evidence of a spammer's new trick. We do not give shit if SA is funded by advertisers. SA's own rules are useless, so much that we no longer waste bandwidth to download them. You could stop distributing your rules, and we would not even notice. So t hat's who we are and what you do.



Store X is not a mass mailer if it has your consent for the occasional or periodic advert on products that you have an interest on. Store X is also wise enough to send their own mail from their own well configured server.

Mass mailers hit you without your consent, and they do their very best to hide their tracks.

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile



On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Kevin A. McGrail <KM...@PCCC.com> wrote:
On 3/8/2017 9:23 AM, Ruga wrote:
> This is spamassassin...
> We are against mass mailers.
No, we're not and you don't speak for the project. Please do not do so.

In fact, I don't speak for the project but as a long-time project
contributor and chair emeritus, I have ALWAYS used the definition that
spam is about conSent not conTent. I believe it was Chris Santerre that
gave that concept years ago and I've extrapolated on it over the years
especially for clarity on mass mailers and capitalism.

The key point is if you consented to receive it, it is not spam. I
don't care if the content is the spammiest looking content in existence
today, that's a FP if it is blocked.

Legit mass marketers sending clear emails that have been conSented to
receive those messages are welcome and should be supported to the demise
of the illegitimate players.

Going further, as a capitalist, I have always extended concepts of
conSent to include:
- Requiring clear opt-in/opt-out checkboxes
- Requiring simply and quick unsubscribe mechanisms
- Implied consent for transactional information. I.e. I buy something
from Macy's, Macy's can email me the 1-time receipt. Follow-up surveys,
coupons, etc. would require clear conSent noting that while I do not
like it, consent boxes that are checked ON by default are not a reason
to block.

My $0.02,
KAM

Re: List of legit mass mailers

["Kevin A. McGrail" <KM...@PCCC.com>]

On 3/8/2017 9:23 AM, Ruga wrote:
> This is spamassassin...
> We are against mass mailers.
No, we're not and you don't speak for the project.  Please do not do so.

In fact, I don't speak for the project but as a long-time project 
contributor and chair emeritus, I have ALWAYS used the definition that 
spam is about conSent not conTent.  I believe it was Chris Santerre that 
gave that concept years ago and I've extrapolated on it over the years 
especially for clarity on mass mailers and capitalism.

The key point is if you consented to receive it, it is not spam.  I 
don't care if the content is the spammiest looking content in existence 
today, that's a FP if it is blocked.

Legit mass marketers sending clear emails that have been conSented to 
receive those messages are welcome and should be supported to the demise 
of the illegitimate players.

Going further, as a capitalist, I have always extended concepts of 
conSent to include:
- Requiring clear opt-in/opt-out checkboxes
- Requiring simply and quick unsubscribe mechanisms
- Implied consent for transactional information.  I.e. I buy something 
from Macy's, Macy's can email me the 1-time receipt. Follow-up surveys, 
coupons, etc. would require clear conSent noting that while I do not 
like it, consent boxes that are checked ON by default are not a reason 
to block.

My $0.02,
KAM

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Joe Quinn <he...@gmail.com>]

On 3/8/2017 9:39 AM, @lbutlr wrote:
> On 2017-03-08 (07:23 MST), Ruga <ru...@protonmail.com> wrote:
>> This is spamassassin...
>> We are against mass mailers.
> That\u2019s absurd. No one with any sense at all is against mass mailers.
>
>
If you measure "mass mailer" by volume of distribution, apache.org 
easily qualifies.

Re: List of legit mass mailers

["@lbutlr" <kr...@kreme.com>]

On 2017-03-08 (07:23 MST), Ruga <ru...@protonmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is spamassassin... 
> We are against mass mailers. 

That’s absurd. No one with any sense at all is against mass mailers.


-- 
Apple broke AppleScripting signatures in Mail.app, so no random signatures.

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Ruga <ru...@protonmail.com>]

This is spamassassin...
We are against mass mailers.

Sent from ProtonMail Mobile


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Marc Perkel <'support@junkemailfilter.com'> wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has - or in interested in - a list of legit
mass mailing sources?

There are many domains that remail/deliver for other domains that are
95%+ good email. And they are not perfect and sometimes they get scammed
but are mostly good.

Just wondering if anyone has a list - or is interested in me producing
such a list?

--
Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
support@junkemailfilter.com
http://www.junkemailfilter.com
Junk Email Filter dot com
415-992-3400

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[David Jones <dj...@ena.com>]

>From: Miles Fidelman <mf...@meetinghouse.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, March 7, 2017 3:36 PM
>To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
>Subject: Re: List of legit mass mailers
  
>One might opine that there can be no such thing.  Mass mailings are almost always
>spam - except when distributed by an organization to its own customers or members. 

I don't want to start a huge debate over the definition of spam but there is a distinct
difference between spam and UCE primarily due to how it should be handled.  If your
SA environment is only filtering a single or a few mailboxes, you can get away with
treating spam and UCE the same so I am not talking about small SA instances.  In a
large SA instance of more than a few hundred mailboxes spam and UCE should be
handled differently.
Spam = malicious email intended to trick the recipient into do something bad.  This
includes viruses, malware, phishing, Nigerian scams, British lotteries, etc.
UCE = unsolicited commercial email.   This can be something the recipient did
(possibly accidentally) or didn't sign up for.  UCE can come from trustworthy senders
which can be safelisted with whitelist_auth.

I think what we are trying to target is the trustworthy commercial senders like
paypal.com, ebay.com which are in the def_whitelist_from_dkim and
def_whitelist_spf and work well in SA with shortcircuiting enabled.

I have extended my list of SA whitelist_* entries to about 4,000 and it is working
very well.  I let trusted senders with valid opt-out processing through to the end
user so they can decide for themselves to unsubscribe or continue receiving it.
The trick is finding the pattern of trusted sender characteristics which I think I
have.

Dave

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Miles Fidelman <mf...@meetinghouse.net>]

One might opine that there can be no such thing.  Mass mailings are 
almost always spam - except when distributed by an organization to its 
own customers or members.

Yes, there are mass mailers who distribute for multiple organizations - 
e.g., hosting services - but generally they deliver spam as well as 
legitimate mail.

On the other hand, private email lists are almost never going to make it 
onto such a lists.

Miles Fidelman

> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Marc Perkel 
> <support@junkemailfilter.com <ma...@junkemailfilter.com>> wrote:
>
>     Just wondering if anyone has - or in interested in - a list of
>     legit mass mailing sources?
>
>     There are many domains that remail/deliver for other domains that
>     are 95%+ good email. And they are not perfect and sometimes they
>     get scammed but are mostly good.
>
>     Just wondering if anyone has a list - or is interested in me
>     producing such a list?
>
>     -- 
>     Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
>     support@junkemailfilter.com <ma...@junkemailfilter.com>
>     http://www.junkemailfilter.com
>     Junk Email Filter dot com
>     415-992-3400 <tel:415-992-3400>
>
>

-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

Re: List of legit mass mailers

[Matt Vernhout <zv...@gmail.com>]

As a starting point you could look at the M3AAWG membership (
https://www.m3aawg.org/about/roster). As they have a vetting criteria and
standard that members need to meet/maintain.

Other organizations that may be good to look at could include ECO.de
(Certified Sender Alliance), or other similar organizations...

Matt

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Marc Perkel <su...@junkemailfilter.com>
wrote:

> Just wondering if anyone has - or in interested in - a list of legit mass
> mailing sources?
>
> There are many domains that remail/deliver for other domains that are 95%+
> good email. And they are not perfect and sometimes they get scammed but are
> mostly good.
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a list - or is interested in me producing
> such a list?
>
> --
> Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
> support@junkemailfilter.com
> http://www.junkemailfilter.com
> Junk Email Filter dot com
> 415-992-3400
>
>