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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Angela Cymbalak
<a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
>...I just haven't figured out how Sling may play into that
> and what that means for the actual storage mechanism. Does anyone from the
> Sling project have any thoughts on this?...
Sling should make it very easy to create photo gallery software, the
JCR repository observation feature for example, makes it easy to
"listen" for incoming files and process them, to generate thumbnails
or alternate renderings. And the WebDAV interface is very convenient
to drop files into the JCR repository.
Sling's RESTful scripting and/or servlets should also make it easy to
provide a REST interface on the photo gallery.
Docs and examples for Sling are quite thin at the moment, but a photo
gallery would be a good example indeed, and Sling is looking for more
contributors. If you're willing to give it a shot over there, we'll do
our best to put you on the right track.
-Bertrand (Sling committer)
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I have started some discussions on getting a prototype based on
> Tuscany + Sling [1].
> The code will be available at [2]...
Please ping us on the sling dev list if you need sling-specific help,
or when you have something to show. I have not had time to look at
Tuscany yet, but if you can show us how it can play with Sling I'm all
ears!
-Bertrand
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
Ok, so we're talking about incubating an idea, then?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> o, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
>> to start a new project?
>
> There are several codebases (Angie's, mine, and others), but basically, a
> new project.
>
> --- Noel
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integration of photo gallery and Sanselan projects (was: photo
gallery software (previously called Caitrin))
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Luciano,
I think that this may be a workable idea. Without a doubt, we will
need the image manipulation abilities of Sanselan and I have no
problem helping on that project as well. I'll take a look at the Web
page for the project. I'd like to get the proposal for the gallery
finished soon. I am still looking for anyone who will be a Champion or Mentor.
Angie
At 04:52 PM 7/8/2008, you wrote:
>After reading Craig's report on Sanselan, I think there might be some
>integration possibilities with it. Maybe Craig and Noel could help
>with the "open positions" required for the project proposal.
>
>On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Angela Cymbalak
><a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> > Right now the project lacks a Champion and Mentors and I don't want to call
> > for a vote before having those. The proposal is also not as well
> written as
> > it should be because it lacks a lot of detail. However, as Noel mentioned
> > we are going to move the architecture discussions to the projects@ list so
> > that we can hammer out the rest of the details and get a better proposal
> > without flooding the general@ list.
> >
> > Angie
> >
> > At 07:58 PM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
> >>
> >> With regards to process, what is still missing that is preventing
> >> Angela to call a vote to get the project accepted into Incubation ? I
> >> just want to make sure we are not waiting for the suggestions from
> >> Sling and Tuscany, as I see these discussions and/or contributions as
> >> something that can happen during incubation in a much structured way.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> >> >> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
> >> >> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
> >> >> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
> >> >> for a release just yet. :)
> >> >
> >> > When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there
> >> > is
> >> > code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it
> >> > in
> >> > order to build community.
> >> >
> >> > --- Noel
> >> >
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
After reading Craig's report on Sanselan, I think there might be some
integration possibilities with it. Maybe Craig and Noel could help
with the "open positions" required for the project proposal.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:08 PM, Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> Right now the project lacks a Champion and Mentors and I don't want to call
> for a vote before having those. The proposal is also not as well written as
> it should be because it lacks a lot of detail. However, as Noel mentioned
> we are going to move the architecture discussions to the projects@ list so
> that we can hammer out the rest of the details and get a better proposal
> without flooding the general@ list.
>
> Angie
>
> At 07:58 PM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> With regards to process, what is still missing that is preventing
>> Angela to call a vote to get the project accepted into Incubation ? I
>> just want to make sure we are not waiting for the suggestions from
>> Sling and Tuscany, as I see these discussions and/or contributions as
>> something that can happen during incubation in a much structured way.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> >> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
>> >> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
>> >> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
>> >> for a release just yet. :)
>> >
>> > When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there
>> > is
>> > code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it
>> > in
>> > order to build community.
>> >
>> > --- Noel
>> >
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>> Apache Tuscany Committer
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Right now the project lacks a Champion and Mentors and I don't want
to call for a vote before having those. The proposal is also not as
well written as it should be because it lacks a lot of
detail. However, as Noel mentioned we are going to move the
architecture discussions to the projects@ list so that we can hammer
out the rest of the details and get a better proposal without
flooding the general@ list.
Angie
At 07:58 PM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
>With regards to process, what is still missing that is preventing
>Angela to call a vote to get the project accepted into Incubation ? I
>just want to make sure we are not waiting for the suggestions from
>Sling and Tuscany, as I see these discussions and/or contributions as
>something that can happen during incubation in a much structured way.
>
>On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> >> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
> >> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
> >> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
> >> for a release just yet. :)
> >
> > When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there is
> > code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it in
> > order to build community.
> >
> > --- Noel
> >
> >
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
With regards to process, what is still missing that is preventing
Angela to call a vote to get the project accepted into Incubation ? I
just want to make sure we are not waiting for the suggestions from
Sling and Tuscany, as I see these discussions and/or contributions as
something that can happen during incubation in a much structured way.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
>> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
>> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
>> for a release just yet. :)
>
> When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there is
> code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it in
> order to build community.
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
>> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
>> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
>> for a release just yet. :)
>
> When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there is
> code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it in
> order to build community.
Which two things? As I said, the "codeless project" stuff was merely
my understanding, whether it's based on actual facts or not I have no
idea. The release part was mentioned because they said that labs
projects can't do releases.
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RE: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a
> perfect candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready
> for a release just yet. :)
When were either of those two things criteria for Incubation? And there is
code, but to give credit, the project is prepared to discard all of it in
order to build community.
--- Noel
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As bertrand mentioned, Labs are for existing committers only, and
> Angela, who is proposing the project isn't a committer.
Sorry, I saw Noel's comment about there being many codebases and
thought he was party proposing this project (I'm pretty sure Noel's a
committer :). So, perhaps start this project somewhere else first
(get some code) and bring it to the incubator then. I didn't think
the incubator was for codeless projects (my perception only and I have
absolutely no documentation to support that :). Either way you go
(labs vs. incubator), you're going to have to set up Angela as a
committer somewhere.
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:50 AM, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
>>> Isn't labs for something already inside of Apache and the Incubator for
>>> things outside of Apache?
>>
>> labs is for existing Apache committers, and labs are not allowed to
>> release software. More at http://labs.apache.org/
>
> And since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
> with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a perfect
> candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready for a release
> just yet. :)
>
As bertrand mentioned, Labs are for existing committers only, and
Angela, who is proposing the project isn't a committer.
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
>> Isn't labs for something already inside of Apache and the Incubator for
>> things outside of Apache?
>
> labs is for existing Apache committers, and labs are not allowed to
> release software. More at http://labs.apache.org/
And since currently this software project is merely an idea (along
with some previously tinkered with codebases), I'd say it's a perfect
candidate for a lab. It doesn't sound like it's ready for a release
just yet. :)
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:11 PM, Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> Isn't labs for something already inside of Apache and the Incubator for
> things outside of Apache?
labs is for existing Apache committers, and labs are not allowed to
release software. More at http://labs.apache.org/
-Bertrand
>
> Angie
>
> At 09:11 AM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> If it's a new project, then why does it have to be incubated?
>> Couldn't we just start up a "labs" project to tinker around with the
>> idea. Then, when/if it builds up enough steam, promote it to a TLP?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> >> o, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
>> >> to start a new project?
>> >
>> > There are several codebases (Angie's, mine, and others), but basically,
>> > a
>> > new project.
>> >
>> > --- Noel
>> >
>> >
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Isn't labs for something already inside of Apache and the Incubator
for things outside of Apache?
Angie
At 09:11 AM 7/3/2008, you wrote:
>If it's a new project, then why does it have to be incubated?
>Couldn't we just start up a "labs" project to tinker around with the
>idea. Then, when/if it builds up enough steam, promote it to a TLP?
>
>On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> >> o, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
> >> to start a new project?
> >
> > There are several codebases (Angie's, mine, and others), but basically, a
> > new project.
> >
> > --- Noel
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
If it's a new project, then why does it have to be incubated?
Couldn't we just start up a "labs" project to tinker around with the
idea. Then, when/if it builds up enough steam, promote it to a TLP?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
>> o, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
>> to start a new project?
>
> There are several codebases (Angie's, mine, and others), but basically, a
> new project.
>
> --- Noel
>
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RE: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> o, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
> to start a new project?
There are several codebases (Angie's, mine, and others), but basically, a
new project.
--- Noel
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
So, does this photo gallery software currently exist or are you trying
to start a new project?
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have started some discussions on getting a prototype based on
> Tuscany + Sling [1].
> The code will be available at [2]
>
> [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40tuscany.apache.org/msg00442.html
> [2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tuscany/java/sca/samples/photo-gallery/
>
> On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Angela Cymbalak wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere that I can take a look at the code? Would you mind if
>>> it were drawn from for a new project?
>>>
>> No, the code is not yet available - but I hope to commit it around the
>> weekend.
>> I'll you know. Feel free to use it, or withdraw the idea after looking at it
>> :)
>>
>> Carsten
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
I have started some discussions on getting a prototype based on
Tuscany + Sling [1].
The code will be available at [2]
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40tuscany.apache.org/msg00442.html
[2] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tuscany/java/sca/samples/photo-gallery/
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Angela Cymbalak wrote:
>>
>> Is there somewhere that I can take a look at the code? Would you mind if
>> it were drawn from for a new project?
>>
> No, the code is not yet available - but I hope to commit it around the
> weekend.
> I'll you know. Feel free to use it, or withdraw the idea after looking at it
> :)
>
> Carsten
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Hi,
Angela Cymbalak wrote:
> Is there somewhere that I can take a look at the code? Would you mind
> if it were drawn from for a new project?
>
No, the code is not yet available - but I hope to commit it around the
weekend.
I'll you know. Feel free to use it, or withdraw the idea after looking
at it :)
Carsten
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Is there somewhere that I can take a look at the code? Would you
mind if it were drawn from for a new project?
Everyone has great ideas and it looks like this software could
showcase how to use the different Apache projects together to create
something new.
I will update the proposal with the Sling and Tuscany ideas. If
anyone else has ideas, please throw them out there. In order to be
considered, the project would still need a champion and 3
mentors. And, the proposal needs to answer any questions that
exist. What other questions are there? I now I am missing things.
Angie
At 05:00 AM 7/1/2008, you wrote:
>Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Angela Cymbalak
>><a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
>>>...I just haven't figured out how Sling may play into that
>>>and what that means for the actual storage mechanism. Does anyone from the
>>>Sling project have any thoughts on this?...
>>Sling should make it very easy to create photo gallery software, the
>>JCR repository observation feature for example, makes it easy to
>>"listen" for incoming files and process them, to generate thumbnails
>>or alternate renderings. And the WebDAV interface is very convenient
>>to drop files into the JCR repository.
>>Sling's RESTful scripting and/or servlets should also make it easy to
>>provide a REST interface on the photo gallery.
>I wrote a simple gallery example with Sling for my JCR talk in
>Amsterdam. I still didn't have time to make it "clean" from the code
>point of view so that it can serve as a good example for Sling :(
>But it's still on my todo list and I hope to get it done this week...
>
>Carsten
>
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Angela Cymbalak
> <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
>> ...I just haven't figured out how Sling may play into that
>> and what that means for the actual storage mechanism. Does anyone from the
>> Sling project have any thoughts on this?...
>
> Sling should make it very easy to create photo gallery software, the
> JCR repository observation feature for example, makes it easy to
> "listen" for incoming files and process them, to generate thumbnails
> or alternate renderings. And the WebDAV interface is very convenient
> to drop files into the JCR repository.
>
> Sling's RESTful scripting and/or servlets should also make it easy to
> provide a REST interface on the photo gallery.
>
I wrote a simple gallery example with Sling for my JCR talk in
Amsterdam. I still didn't have time to make it "clean" from the code
point of view so that it can serve as a good example for Sling :(
But it's still on my todo list and I hope to get it done this week...
Carsten
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Re: photo gallery software (previously called Caitrin)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
All doubts on Sling have gone out the window. I will update the
proposal accordingly.
I don't mind the idea of working with the Sling project at all. I am
most interested in the problem space. For the moment I will continue
updating the proposal. Even if it doesn't become its very own
project, having the proposal written will still provide a good road
map as we start to move the project forward.
Angie
At 06:01 PM 6/30/2008, you wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Angela Cymbalak
><a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> >...I just haven't figured out how Sling may play into that
> > and what that means for the actual storage mechanism. Does anyone from the
> > Sling project have any thoughts on this?...
>
>Sling should make it very easy to create photo gallery software, the
>JCR repository observation feature for example, makes it easy to
>"listen" for incoming files and process them, to generate thumbnails
>or alternate renderings. And the WebDAV interface is very convenient
>to drop files into the JCR repository.
>
>Sling's RESTful scripting and/or servlets should also make it easy to
>provide a REST interface on the photo gallery.
>
>Docs and examples for Sling are quite thin at the moment, but a photo
>gallery would be a good example indeed, and Sling is looking for more
>contributors. If you're willing to give it a shot over there, we'll do
>our best to put you on the right track.
>
>-Bertrand (Sling committer)
>
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