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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com> on 2002/10/23 22:07:19 UTC
Jakarta member seeking ASF membership
Hi all,
[from a previous thread on a previous list]
> Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>
> > I don't know if I've yet achieved the status of a
> > "long-term [committer] who have earned the right
> to
> > set Apache-wide policies" [...]
However, there's no time like the present to find out.
Roy Fielding has suggested that not enough Jakarta
members seek membership in the ASF. Until recently, I
was quite happy plugging along in my little Jakarta
world, developing software and trusting the Apache
world to continue onward as it has.
However, recent events have shown me that my view may
be too narrow. One specific example (sorry if you
subscribe to the reorg list, as this is repetition of
threads there): a top-level Apache project with the
same name and similar scope as a Jakarta subproject
can be proposed, discussed and approved (including a
PMC) without ever being mentioned on a list to which I
can subscribe. This week, a mailing list was formed
to try to alleviate some of these communication
deficiencies, but in the words of a former U.S.
president, "trust, yet verify".
So my specific goal in seeking ASF membership is to
look inside the black box. I already know that
important decisions can be made that are hidden from
the view of most committers. I'd like to know more
about the process, and hopefully help to make these
decisions more open and transparent to committers at
large; at present a very small percentage of Jakarta
members are actually ASF members. Likewise, I
encourage other Jakarta committers to consider seeking
ASF membership if they are also concerned about
representation and the decision-making process. The
Board seems very interested in increasing our numbers
in the ASF membership, and I think we should take them
up on this opportunity.
Specifically, I'd like to ask a member of our PMC or
any current ASF member to sponsor my membership.,
Unfortunately I will probably not be able to attend
the next Foundation meeting, and so I'd also ask that
my sponsor act as my proxy, if possible.
If I understand this process correctly, if I am
nominated, I fill out an application form and it's
discussed on the private "members@apache.org" mailing
list until a decision spits out. I guess I won't be
gaining any insight into the admission process at
first. :)
- Morgan
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Re: Jakarta member seeking ASF membership
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
+1 !
While at the moment I don't seek ASF membership, I think
it would be excelent if more jakarta commiters who
are and have been active in this community send mail
to the pmc and ask those who are members for nomination.
Costin
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> [from a previous thread on a previous list]
>
>> Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>>
>> > I don't know if I've yet achieved the status of a
>> > "long-term [committer] who have earned the right
>> to
>> > set Apache-wide policies" [...]
>
> However, there's no time like the present to find out.
> Roy Fielding has suggested that not enough Jakarta
> members seek membership in the ASF. Until recently, I
> was quite happy plugging along in my little Jakarta
> world, developing software and trusting the Apache
> world to continue onward as it has.
>
> However, recent events have shown me that my view may
> be too narrow. One specific example (sorry if you
> subscribe to the reorg list, as this is repetition of
> threads there): a top-level Apache project with the
> same name and similar scope as a Jakarta subproject
> can be proposed, discussed and approved (including a
> PMC) without ever being mentioned on a list to which I
> can subscribe. This week, a mailing list was formed
> to try to alleviate some of these communication
> deficiencies, but in the words of a former U.S.
> president, "trust, yet verify".
>
> So my specific goal in seeking ASF membership is to
> look inside the black box. I already know that
> important decisions can be made that are hidden from
> the view of most committers. I'd like to know more
> about the process, and hopefully help to make these
> decisions more open and transparent to committers at
> large; at present a very small percentage of Jakarta
> members are actually ASF members. Likewise, I
> encourage other Jakarta committers to consider seeking
> ASF membership if they are also concerned about
> representation and the decision-making process. The
> Board seems very interested in increasing our numbers
> in the ASF membership, and I think we should take them
> up on this opportunity.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to ask a member of our PMC or
> any current ASF member to sponsor my membership.,
> Unfortunately I will probably not be able to attend
> the next Foundation meeting, and so I'd also ask that
> my sponsor act as my proxy, if possible.
>
> If I understand this process correctly, if I am
> nominated, I fill out an application form and it's
> discussed on the private "members@apache.org" mailing
> list until a decision spits out. I guess I won't be
> gaining any insight into the admission process at
> first. :)
>
> - Morgan
>
> =====
> Morgan Delagrange
> http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons
> http://axion.tigris.org
> http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog
>
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Re: Jakarta member seeking ASF membership
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
As far as I can tell, that's up to the ASF to decide
on a case-by-case basis. So I suggest that if you
think your experince would make a valuable
contribution to the ASF, ask our PMC for sponsorship.
The worst they can do is say no.
--- Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com> wrote:
>
> If we're expected to nominate ourselves as such,
> it'd be nice to have some
> guidelines as to what we should be looking at in our
> day-to-day Apache
> goings on to know that the time has come. So we
> don't look like young
> punks :)
>
> Hen
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > [from a previous thread on a previous list]
> >
> > > Morgan Delagrange wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know if I've yet achieved the status
> of a
> > > > "long-term [committer] who have earned the
> right
> > > to
> > > > set Apache-wide policies" [...]
> >
> > However, there's no time like the present to find
> out.
> > Roy Fielding has suggested that not enough
> Jakarta
> > members seek membership in the ASF. Until
> recently, I
> > was quite happy plugging along in my little
> Jakarta
> > world, developing software and trusting the Apache
> > world to continue onward as it has.
> >
> > However, recent events have shown me that my view
> may
> > be too narrow. One specific example (sorry if you
> > subscribe to the reorg list, as this is repetition
> of
> > threads there): a top-level Apache project with
> the
> > same name and similar scope as a Jakarta
> subproject
> > can be proposed, discussed and approved (including
> a
> > PMC) without ever being mentioned on a list to
> which I
> > can subscribe. This week, a mailing list was
> formed
> > to try to alleviate some of these communication
> > deficiencies, but in the words of a former U.S.
> > president, "trust, yet verify".
> >
> > So my specific goal in seeking ASF membership is
> to
> > look inside the black box. I already know that
> > important decisions can be made that are hidden
> from
> > the view of most committers. I'd like to know
> more
> > about the process, and hopefully help to make
> these
> > decisions more open and transparent to committers
> at
> > large; at present a very small percentage of
> Jakarta
> > members are actually ASF members. Likewise, I
> > encourage other Jakarta committers to consider
> seeking
> > ASF membership if they are also concerned about
> > representation and the decision-making process.
> The
> > Board seems very interested in increasing our
> numbers
> > in the ASF membership, and I think we should take
> them
> > up on this opportunity.
> >
> > Specifically, I'd like to ask a member of our PMC
> or
> > any current ASF member to sponsor my membership.,
> > Unfortunately I will probably not be able to
> attend
> > the next Foundation meeting, and so I'd also ask
> that
> > my sponsor act as my proxy, if possible.
> >
> > If I understand this process correctly, if I am
> > nominated, I fill out an application form and it's
> > discussed on the private "members@apache.org"
> mailing
> > list until a decision spits out. I guess I won't
> be
> > gaining any insight into the admission process at
> > first. :)
> >
> > - Morgan
> >
> > =====
> > Morgan Delagrange
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons
> > http://axion.tigris.org
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog
> >
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Re: Jakarta member seeking ASF membership
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
If we're expected to nominate ourselves as such, it'd be nice to have some
guidelines as to what we should be looking at in our day-to-day Apache
goings on to know that the time has come. So we don't look like young
punks :)
Hen
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> [from a previous thread on a previous list]
>
> > Morgan Delagrange wrote:
> >
> > > I don't know if I've yet achieved the status of a
> > > "long-term [committer] who have earned the right
> > to
> > > set Apache-wide policies" [...]
>
> However, there's no time like the present to find out.
> Roy Fielding has suggested that not enough Jakarta
> members seek membership in the ASF. Until recently, I
> was quite happy plugging along in my little Jakarta
> world, developing software and trusting the Apache
> world to continue onward as it has.
>
> However, recent events have shown me that my view may
> be too narrow. One specific example (sorry if you
> subscribe to the reorg list, as this is repetition of
> threads there): a top-level Apache project with the
> same name and similar scope as a Jakarta subproject
> can be proposed, discussed and approved (including a
> PMC) without ever being mentioned on a list to which I
> can subscribe. This week, a mailing list was formed
> to try to alleviate some of these communication
> deficiencies, but in the words of a former U.S.
> president, "trust, yet verify".
>
> So my specific goal in seeking ASF membership is to
> look inside the black box. I already know that
> important decisions can be made that are hidden from
> the view of most committers. I'd like to know more
> about the process, and hopefully help to make these
> decisions more open and transparent to committers at
> large; at present a very small percentage of Jakarta
> members are actually ASF members. Likewise, I
> encourage other Jakarta committers to consider seeking
> ASF membership if they are also concerned about
> representation and the decision-making process. The
> Board seems very interested in increasing our numbers
> in the ASF membership, and I think we should take them
> up on this opportunity.
>
> Specifically, I'd like to ask a member of our PMC or
> any current ASF member to sponsor my membership.,
> Unfortunately I will probably not be able to attend
> the next Foundation meeting, and so I'd also ask that
> my sponsor act as my proxy, if possible.
>
> If I understand this process correctly, if I am
> nominated, I fill out an application form and it's
> discussed on the private "members@apache.org" mailing
> list until a decision spits out. I guess I won't be
> gaining any insight into the admission process at
> first. :)
>
> - Morgan
>
> =====
> Morgan Delagrange
> http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons
> http://axion.tigris.org
> http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog
>
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