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Posted to dev@camel.apache.org by Pasquale Congiusti <pa...@gmail.com> on 2022/09/13 10:30:46 UTC
Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Hi folks,
I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my proposal
to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since we
depend on Camel Quarkus and Camel framework for the runtime, we should
follow the same path in order to be able to apply any fix/upgrade in the
proper release version. For example, right now we're not actively
supporting the 1.8 release, which is based on Camel Quarkus 2.7 and Camel
3.14 (both LTS). I think it would be good from a user point of view,
relying on some long time support release. Also from the developer point of
view, it will give us a certain capability to plan ahead of time on which
release to focus to enable more stability.
Please, share your feedback.
Regards,
Pasquale.
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Tadayoshi Sato <sa...@gmail.com>.
+1 for having LTS releases for Camel K.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 PM Pasquale Congiusti <
pasquale.congiusti@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my proposal
> to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since we
> depend on Camel Quarkus and Camel framework for the runtime, we should
> follow the same path in order to be able to apply any fix/upgrade in the
> proper release version. For example, right now we're not actively
> supporting the 1.8 release, which is based on Camel Quarkus 2.7 and Camel
> 3.14 (both LTS). I think it would be good from a user point of view,
> relying on some long time support release. Also from the developer point of
> view, it will give us a certain capability to plan ahead of time on which
> release to focus to enable more stability.
>
> Please, share your feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Pasquale.
>
--
Tadayoshi Sato
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Claudio Miranda <cl...@claudius.com.br>.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
<pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my proposal
> to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since we
Is there any LTS doc explaining details like what kind of changes are
going to be fixed in an LTS release ?
Also, in case of Camel K, there are camel-k-runtime and camel-quarkus
dependencies, and following a Camel K LTS release would depend on
*only* the LTS releases of these projects.
I found some brief explanation in
https://camel.apache.org/blog/2020/03/LTS-Release-Schedule/
There is https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/LTS as
an inspiration too.
--
Claudio Miranda
claudio@claudius.com.br
http://www.claudius.com.br
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
+1 to have LTS for Camel K that aligns with LTS releases of the core Camel
project.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 12:31 PM Pasquale Congiusti <
pasquale.congiusti@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my proposal
> to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since we
> depend on Camel Quarkus and Camel framework for the runtime, we should
> follow the same path in order to be able to apply any fix/upgrade in the
> proper release version. For example, right now we're not actively
> supporting the 1.8 release, which is based on Camel Quarkus 2.7 and Camel
> 3.14 (both LTS). I think it would be good from a user point of view,
> relying on some long time support release. Also from the developer point of
> view, it will give us a certain capability to plan ahead of time on which
> release to focus to enable more stability.
>
> Please, share your feedback.
>
> Regards,
> Pasquale.
>
--
Claus Ibsen
-----------------
http://davsclaus.com @davsclaus
Camel in Action 2: https://www.manning.com/ibsen2
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>.
Also committer can. Anyone who is able to write to dist/dev could release.
The promotion from dist/dev to dist/release must be done by a PMC member.
https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#upload-ci
Il giorno mer 14 set 2022 alle ore 16:49 Pasquale Congiusti <
pasquale.congiusti@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hey Andrea,
> I somehow understood that only PMC could perform releases. Could you please
> clarify if that is correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Pasquale.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 2:59 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the help,
> >
> > I think you could try to release yourself with the next 1.10.x or 1.11.0.
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/camel-k/blob/main/release.adoc
> >
> > Here there is a step by step guide I've been trying to improve.
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno mer 14 set 2022 alle ore 09:41 Tadayoshi Sato <
> > sato.tadayoshi@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> > > Hi Andrea,
> > >
> > >
> > > > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > > > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I can volunteer for the release manager for Camel K. Let me know how I
> > can
> > > help.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > > > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> > > >
> > > > But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k
> > and
> > > > camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
> > > > codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
> > > >
> > > > Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
> > > > claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> > > > > <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> > > > > proposal
> > > > > > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well.
> > > Since
> > > > > we
> > > > >
> > > > > Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a
> LTS
> > > > > too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> > > > > In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime
> and
> > > > > sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Claudio Miranda
> > > > >
> > > > > claudio@claudius.com.br
> > > > > http://www.claudius.com.br
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tadayoshi Sato
> > >
> >
>
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Pasquale Congiusti <pa...@gmail.com>.
Hey Andrea,
I somehow understood that only PMC could perform releases. Could you please
clarify if that is correct?
Thanks,
Pasquale.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 2:59 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the help,
>
> I think you could try to release yourself with the next 1.10.x or 1.11.0.
>
> https://github.com/apache/camel-k/blob/main/release.adoc
>
> Here there is a step by step guide I've been trying to improve.
>
>
>
> Il giorno mer 14 set 2022 alle ore 09:41 Tadayoshi Sato <
> sato.tadayoshi@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > Hi Andrea,
> >
> >
> > > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> > >
> >
> > I can volunteer for the release manager for Camel K. Let me know how I
> can
> > help.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> > >
> > > But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k
> and
> > > camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
> > > codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
> > >
> > > Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
> > > claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> > > > <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> > > > proposal
> > > > > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well.
> > Since
> > > > we
> > > >
> > > > Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
> > > >
> > > > Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
> > > > too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> > > > In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
> > > > sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
> > > >
> > > > 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Claudio Miranda
> > > >
> > > > claudio@claudius.com.br
> > > > http://www.claudius.com.br
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tadayoshi Sato
> >
>
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for the help,
I think you could try to release yourself with the next 1.10.x or 1.11.0.
https://github.com/apache/camel-k/blob/main/release.adoc
Here there is a step by step guide I've been trying to improve.
Il giorno mer 14 set 2022 alle ore 09:41 Tadayoshi Sato <
sato.tadayoshi@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Hi Andrea,
>
>
> > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> >
>
> I can volunteer for the release manager for Camel K. Let me know how I can
> help.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> >
> > But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k and
> > camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
> > codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
> >
> > Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
> > claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> > > <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> > > proposal
> > > > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well.
> Since
> > > we
> > >
> > > Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
> > >
> > > Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
> > > too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> > > In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
> > > sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
> > >
> > > 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Claudio Miranda
> > >
> > > claudio@claudius.com.br
> > > http://www.claudius.com.br
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Tadayoshi Sato
>
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Otavio Rodolfo Piske <an...@gmail.com>.
+1. I think it would be good to have an LTS version of Camel K.
Kind regards
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 9:41 AM Tadayoshi Sato <sa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Andrea,
>
>
> > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> >
>
> I can volunteer for the release manager for Camel K. Let me know how I can
> help.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> > because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
> >
> > But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k and
> > camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
> > codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
> >
> > Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
> > claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> > > <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> > > proposal
> > > > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well.
> Since
> > > we
> > >
> > > Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
> > >
> > > Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
> > > too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> > > In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
> > > sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
> > >
> > > 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Claudio Miranda
> > >
> > > claudio@claudius.com.br
> > > http://www.claudius.com.br
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Tadayoshi Sato
>
--
Otavio R. Piske
http://orpiske.net
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Tadayoshi Sato <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Andrea,
> It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
>
I can volunteer for the release manager for Camel K. Let me know how I can
help.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:10 PM Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
> because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
>
> But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k and
> camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
> codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
>
> Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
> claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> > <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> > proposal
> > > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since
> > we
> >
> > Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
> >
> > Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
> > too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> > In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
> > sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
> >
> > 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
> >
> > --
> > Claudio Miranda
> >
> > claudio@claudius.com.br
> > http://www.claudius.com.br
> >
>
--
Tadayoshi Sato
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Andrea Cosentino <an...@gmail.com>.
It makes sense, we need to find a way to rotate the release manager,
because especially post-release steps are time-consuming.
But in the end it makes sense to follow LTS approach for both camel-k and
camel-k-runtime, for the latter until we find a way to integrate the
codebase in camel-quarkus directly.
Il giorno mar 13 set 2022 alle ore 13:44 Claudio Miranda <
claudio@claudius.com.br> ha scritto:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
> <pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my
> proposal
> > to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since
> we
>
> Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
>
> Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
> too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
> In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
> sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
>
> 1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
>
> --
> Claudio Miranda
>
> claudio@claudius.com.br
> http://www.claudius.com.br
>
Re: Extend LTS concept to Camel K
Posted by Claudio Miranda <cl...@claudius.com.br>.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 7:31 AM Pasquale Congiusti
<pa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not sure if this was discussed in the past, but here goes my proposal
> to officially extend the LTS concept to Camel K releases as well. Since we
Sure, the LTS is a good idea for users and developers, +1.
Camel has the LTS releases, and camel quarkus [1] seems to have a LTS
too, but there is no camel-k-runtime LTS.
In this case the LTS concept would be extended to camel-k-runtime and
sync the Camel K LTS with the camel quarkus/camel LTS releases ?
1. https://camel.apache.org/camel-quarkus/next/index.html
--
Claudio Miranda
claudio@claudius.com.br
http://www.claudius.com.br