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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Brian Behlendorf <br...@hyperreal.org> on 1997/12/08 19:17:56 UTC

don't believe in mod_magic


There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:

 # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
 0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
 0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
 0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
 0      string          Article         message/news    8bit

Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
problems with commenting them out?

	Brian


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"it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig   brian@hyperreal.org

Re: don't believe in mod_magic

Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
Yeah, but let's say someone sets up a site with DefaultType
application/binary, suddenly mod_mime_magic is a lot less useful because
it's returning application/binary for lots of things that are certainly
text/something.

Dean

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:

> 
> I don't entirely agree; by doing so you're semantically saying any message
> matching those rules should be text/plain, which I don't believe is true.
> Let's say someone setting up a Russian web site sets DefaultType to be
> "text/plain;charset=KOI8".  Then any message matching those patterns would
> be changed to simply "text/plain".  Hmm... 
> 
> 	Brian
> 
> At 11:24 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >Then I think they should be changed to text/plain... 
> >
> >Dean
> >
> >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> Commenting them out leaves it up to the DefaultType (in our conf files
> >> text/plain), unless they match some other pattern from the magic file.
> >> 
> >> 	Brian
> >> 
> >> At 10:53 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >> >Why not change them to text/plain ?  Or is that the same thing commenting
> >> >them out would accomplish?
> >> >
> >> >Dean
> >> >
> >> >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:
> >> >> 
> >> >>  # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
> >> >>  0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
> >> >>  0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
> >> >>  0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
> >> >>  0      string          Article         message/news    8bit
> >> >> 
> >> >> Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
> >> >> MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
> >> >> problems with commenting them out?
> >> >> 
> >> >> 	Brian
> 
> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> "it's a big world, with lots of records to play." - sig   brian@organic.com
> 


Re: don't believe in mod_magic

Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com>.
I don't entirely agree; by doing so you're semantically saying any message
matching those rules should be text/plain, which I don't believe is true.
Let's say someone setting up a Russian web site sets DefaultType to be
"text/plain;charset=KOI8".  Then any message matching those patterns would
be changed to simply "text/plain".  Hmm... 

	Brian

At 11:24 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>Then I think they should be changed to text/plain... 
>
>Dean
>
>On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
>> 
>> Commenting them out leaves it up to the DefaultType (in our conf files
>> text/plain), unless they match some other pattern from the magic file.
>> 
>> 	Brian
>> 
>> At 10:53 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>> >Why not change them to text/plain ?  Or is that the same thing commenting
>> >them out would accomplish?
>> >
>> >Dean
>> >
>> >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>> >
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:
>> >> 
>> >>  # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
>> >>  0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
>> >>  0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
>> >>  0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
>> >>  0      string          Article         message/news    8bit
>> >> 
>> >> Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
>> >> MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
>> >> problems with commenting them out?
>> >> 
>> >> 	Brian

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"it's a big world, with lots of records to play." - sig   brian@organic.com

Re: don't believe in mod_magic

Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
Then I think they should be changed to text/plain... 

Dean

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:

> 
> Commenting them out leaves it up to the DefaultType (in our conf files
> text/plain), unless they match some other pattern from the magic file.
> 
> 	Brian
> 
> At 10:53 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
> >Why not change them to text/plain ?  Or is that the same thing commenting
> >them out would accomplish?
> >
> >Dean
> >
> >On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> 
> >> There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:
> >> 
> >>  # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
> >>  0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
> >>  0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
> >>  0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
> >>  0      string          Article         message/news    8bit
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
> >> MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
> >> problems with commenting them out?
> >> 
> >> 	Brian
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> >> "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig   brian@hyperreal.org
> >> 
> >
> >
> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> "it's a big world, with lots of records to play." - sig   brian@organic.com
> 


Re: don't believe in mod_magic

Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@organic.com>.
Commenting them out leaves it up to the DefaultType (in our conf files
text/plain), unless they match some other pattern from the magic file.

	Brian

At 10:53 AM 12/8/97 -0800, Dean Gaudet wrote:
>Why not change them to text/plain ?  Or is that the same thing commenting
>them out would accomplish?
>
>Dean
>
>On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
>
>> 
>> 
>> There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:
>> 
>>  # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
>>  0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
>>  0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
>>  0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
>>  0      string          Article         message/news    8bit
>> 
>> Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
>> MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
>> problems with commenting them out?
>> 
>> 	Brian
>> 
>> 
>> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
>> "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig   brian@hyperreal.org
>> 
>
>
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"it's a big world, with lots of records to play." - sig   brian@organic.com

Re: don't believe in mod_magic

Posted by Dean Gaudet <dg...@arctic.org>.
Why not change them to text/plain ?  Or is that the same thing commenting
them out would accomplish?

Dean

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Brian Behlendorf wrote:

> 
> 
> There's a part in mod_mime_magic which goes:
> 
>  # There are tests to ascmagic.c to cope with mail and news.
>  0      string          Relay-Version:  message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          #!\ rnews       message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          N#!\ rnews      message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          Forward\ to     message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          Pipe\ to        message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          Return-Path:    message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          Path:           message/news    8bit
>  0      string          Xref:           message/news    8bit
>  0      string          From:           message/rfc822  7bit
>  0      string          Article         message/news    8bit
> 
> Unfortunately there are user-agents out there which don't grok those two
> MIME formats, and interpret it as an error (IE 4.0 for example).  Any
> problems with commenting them out?
> 
> 	Brian
> 
> 
> --=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--
> "it's a big world, with lots of records to play."-sig   brian@hyperreal.org
>