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Posted to dev@rave.apache.org by Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org> on 2015/02/09 15:37:10 UTC
Groups in Rave
Hi everyone,
I'm currently exploring user groups in Rave and I was wondering if someone
could shed some light on the current state.
It looks as if groups have been modeled[1] and there are repository[2] and
service[3] implementations for groups that exist today. However, I don't
see that groups are surfaced in the UI nor in the page permissions. Is
anyone actively using groups?
I'm also wondering about group members. The Group interface has a getter
and setter for members which is a List<String>. Are the strings user ids,
other group ids, both or something else altogether?
Thanks,
-Stanton
[1] org.apache.rave.model.Group and
org.apache.rave.portal.model.impl.GroupImpl
[2] org.apache.rave.repository.GroupRepository
[3] org.apache.rave.service.GroupService
Re: Groups in Rave
Posted by Christopher Geer <ch...@cxtsoftware.com>.
>
> On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the quick reply Chris. I saw an earlier e-mail where you had
> mentioned leveraging Apache Shiro to implement permission groups. Is that
> what you're referring to here as well? Do you see this as complementing
> the way in which spring security is being used with the
> ModelPermissionEvaluator or is it a replacement?
I’d see it as a replacement personally. Honestly, once we remove all the front end stuff from the back end (JSPs and other stuff) spring security loses it’s luster (my opinion). I suppose we could integrate it into the web services, but it’s not there today and I think Shiro provides a lot more flexibility than Spring Security but I admit I’m not a Spring Security expert either.
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Christopher Geer <ch...@cxtsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'm currently exploring user groups in Rave and I was wondering if
>> someone
>>> could shed some light on the current state.
>>>
>>> It looks as if groups have been modeled[1] and there are repository[2]
>> and
>>> service[3] implementations for groups that exist today. However, I don't
>>> see that groups are surfaced in the UI nor in the page permissions. Is
>>> anyone actively using groups?
>>
>> This is just my opinion, but groups in Rave today aren’t useful. I think
>> the intent is that someday you can have “collaboration groups” where people
>> can subscribe to the same content or something but it is unclear. Not sure
>> the original intent before it was donated. What is missing are groups that
>> can be used for permissions. I would like to see the existing group
>> construct be removed, have permission groups added in and then re-evaluate
>> the need for some other group structure in the future.
>>>
>>> I'm also wondering about group members. The Group interface has a getter
>>> and setter for members which is a List<String>. Are the strings user
>> ids,
>>> other group ids, both or something else altogether?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Stanton
>>>
>>> [1] org.apache.rave.model.Group and
>>> org.apache.rave.portal.model.impl.GroupImpl
>>> [2] org.apache.rave.repository.GroupRepository
>>> [3] org.apache.rave.service.GroupService
>>
>>
Re: Groups in Rave
Posted by Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org>.
Thanks for the quick reply Chris. I saw an earlier e-mail where you had
mentioned leveraging Apache Shiro to implement permission groups. Is that
what you're referring to here as well? Do you see this as complementing
the way in which spring security is being used with the
ModelPermissionEvaluator or is it a replacement?
On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Christopher Geer <ch...@cxtsoftware.com>
wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm currently exploring user groups in Rave and I was wondering if
> someone
> > could shed some light on the current state.
> >
> > It looks as if groups have been modeled[1] and there are repository[2]
> and
> > service[3] implementations for groups that exist today. However, I don't
> > see that groups are surfaced in the UI nor in the page permissions. Is
> > anyone actively using groups?
>
> This is just my opinion, but groups in Rave today aren’t useful. I think
> the intent is that someday you can have “collaboration groups” where people
> can subscribe to the same content or something but it is unclear. Not sure
> the original intent before it was donated. What is missing are groups that
> can be used for permissions. I would like to see the existing group
> construct be removed, have permission groups added in and then re-evaluate
> the need for some other group structure in the future.
> >
> > I'm also wondering about group members. The Group interface has a getter
> > and setter for members which is a List<String>. Are the strings user
> ids,
> > other group ids, both or something else altogether?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Stanton
> >
> > [1] org.apache.rave.model.Group and
> > org.apache.rave.portal.model.impl.GroupImpl
> > [2] org.apache.rave.repository.GroupRepository
> > [3] org.apache.rave.service.GroupService
>
>
Re: Groups in Rave
Posted by Christopher Geer <ch...@cxtsoftware.com>.
>
> On Feb 9, 2015, at 7:37 AM, Stanton Sievers <ss...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm currently exploring user groups in Rave and I was wondering if someone
> could shed some light on the current state.
>
> It looks as if groups have been modeled[1] and there are repository[2] and
> service[3] implementations for groups that exist today. However, I don't
> see that groups are surfaced in the UI nor in the page permissions. Is
> anyone actively using groups?
This is just my opinion, but groups in Rave today aren’t useful. I think the intent is that someday you can have “collaboration groups” where people can subscribe to the same content or something but it is unclear. Not sure the original intent before it was donated. What is missing are groups that can be used for permissions. I would like to see the existing group construct be removed, have permission groups added in and then re-evaluate the need for some other group structure in the future.
>
> I'm also wondering about group members. The Group interface has a getter
> and setter for members which is a List<String>. Are the strings user ids,
> other group ids, both or something else altogether?
>
> Thanks,
> -Stanton
>
> [1] org.apache.rave.model.Group and
> org.apache.rave.portal.model.impl.GroupImpl
> [2] org.apache.rave.repository.GroupRepository
> [3] org.apache.rave.service.GroupService