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Posted to dev@qpid.apache.org by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com> on 2009/06/12 16:09:32 UTC
[VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
The vote results are:
+1: 4 (Gordon, Martin, Marnie, Robert)
0: 0
-1: 0
I also added my key to the qpid KEYS file in svn.
I don't believe I have access to edit the wiki or load a file onto
www.apache.org/dist/qpid - how do I request those be done, or get
access so I can do it?
For reference, the files are at:
The binary is at:
http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi
The signature and sum are at:
http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.asc
http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.sha1
For notes in the downloads section (and I'd add this to the FAQ also),
if the user does not have Visual Studio .NET 2008 installed already
(for example, a machine that would only run the broker), the Visual
C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) is required before the
broker can be executed. That can be downloaded from
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a5c84275-3b97
-4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2&displaylang=en
Thanks,
-Steve
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Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Martin Ritchie <ri...@apache.org>.
2009/6/15 Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Steve Huston<sh...@riverace.com> wrote:
>>> From: Aidan Skinner [mailto:aidan.skinner@gmail.com]
>>>...
>>> I've put it in 0.5-windows for just now, so it's at least going to
>> be
>>> available somewhere.
>>
>> Ok. I guess there's a time delay for things to propagate? (It's not
>> there yet).
>
> Yeah, it syncs a few times a day, then mirrors pick it up a bit after
> that. It's on http://www.apache.org/dist/qpid/0.5-windows/ now
>
>>> Oh, definitely. The more integrated the build (and test)
>>> process the better.
>>
>> I agree... Just noting that the process isn't there today, so
>> collecting all the pieces at the same time isn't really possible yet.
>
> Totally.. I wonder if we can make somewhere on people.a.o to upload
> the various bits and pieces too. Multi-platform builds are a pain
> though.
>
>> It says I have insufficient permission to edit the page... Can someone
>> please add me (shuston) where necessary?
>
> I don't think I have the necessary bits/smarts to do that, sorry. Carl? Martin?
I don't have enough bits to add you to the required qpid-committers
confluence group. However I have given you the same rights as that
group. I don't know if that will work or not but git it a try and let
me know. We just need to get someone who is 'Conflence Admin' to sort
this out.
> - Aidan
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Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Steve Huston<sh...@riverace.com> wrote:
>> From: Aidan Skinner [mailto:aidan.skinner@gmail.com]
>>...
>> I've put it in 0.5-windows for just now, so it's at least going to
> be
>> available somewhere.
>
> Ok. I guess there's a time delay for things to propagate? (It's not
> there yet).
Yeah, it syncs a few times a day, then mirrors pick it up a bit after
that. It's on http://www.apache.org/dist/qpid/0.5-windows/ now
>> Oh, definitely. The more integrated the build (and test)
>> process the better.
>
> I agree... Just noting that the process isn't there today, so
> collecting all the pieces at the same time isn't really possible yet.
Totally.. I wonder if we can make somewhere on people.a.o to upload
the various bits and pieces too. Multi-platform builds are a pain
though.
> It says I have insufficient permission to edit the page... Can someone
> please add me (shuston) where necessary?
I don't think I have the necessary bits/smarts to do that, sorry. Carl? Martin?
- Aidan
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RE: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
> From: Aidan Skinner [mailto:aidan.skinner@gmail.com]
>...
> I've put it in 0.5-windows for just now, so it's at least going to
be
> available somewhere.
Ok. I guess there's a time delay for things to propagate? (It's not
there yet).
> >> I'm not sure 0.5 is the right place to put it, as it wasn't part
of
> >> the origional bits and messing with SHA1SUM seems
> undignified to say
> >> the least.
> >
> > I see your point, but doesn't that argue for all artifacts being
> > produced at once, even the ones that are built on different
> platforms?
>
> Oh, definitely. The more integrated the build (and test)
> process the better.
I agree... Just noting that the process isn't there today, so
collecting all the pieces at the same time isn't really possible yet.
> I think having this is awesome btw. :)
Thanks... And we all thank Microsoft for sponsoring it.
> > The original concensus on the list was to host the installer on
> > qpid.apache.org, and the VOTE thread was 4-0 in favor of
> these bits -
> > I'd like to get this into the hands of developers soon, so
> would like
> > whatever direction I need to get it there.
>
> qpid.apache.org is really just a confluence export, putting it on
> www.apache.org/dist get's onto the mirrors[1] etc. if you go to
>
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/editpage.action?pageId=34042
> you can add any instructions for downloading and using it you need
to
> to qpid.apache.org/download.html
It says I have insufficient permission to edit the page... Can someone
please add me (shuston) where necessary?
Thanks,
-Steve
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Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Steve Huston<sh...@riverace.com> wrote:
> Ok, I copied it to ~shuston on people.apache.org but don't have rights
> to copy it to /www/www/apache.org/dist/qpid/0.5 - Martin does... Can
> you copy qpidc-0.5.msi and qpidc-0.5.msi.asc (qpidc-0.5.msi.sha1 is
> there too)?
We should really have everything under there be group writable.
Martin, can you chmod g+w /www/www/apache.org/dist/qpid/0.5 and KEYS
please? Rafi, could you do the same for M4?
(We might want to set a mask or something, the move-to-dist process is
still pretty manual).
I've put it in 0.5-windows for just now, so it's at least going to be
available somewhere.
>> I'm not sure 0.5 is the right place to put it, as it wasn't part of
>> the origional bits and messing with SHA1SUM seems undignified to say
>> the least.
>
> I see your point, but doesn't that argue for all artifacts being
> produced at once, even the ones that are built on different platforms?
Oh, definitely. The more integrated the build (and test) process the better.
I think having this is awesome btw. :)
> The original concensus on the list was to host the installer on
> qpid.apache.org, and the VOTE thread was 4-0 in favor of these bits -
> I'd like to get this into the hands of developers soon, so would like
> whatever direction I need to get it there.
qpid.apache.org is really just a confluence export, putting it on
www.apache.org/dist get's onto the mirrors[1] etc. if you go to
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/editpage.action?pageId=34042
you can add any instructions for downloading and using it you need to
to qpid.apache.org/download.html
I haven't had a chance to try it out yet, all I've done is checked the
signature and the hash.
- Aidan (wow, we really need to document this better)
[1] cwiki's ok for hosting design documents and stuff but it's not
really suitable for hosting public things.
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RE: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
Hi Aidan,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aidan Skinner [mailto:aidan.skinner@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 8:46 AM
> To: dev@qpid.apache.org
> Cc: cctrieloff@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries
> installer for Windows
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steve
> Huston<sh...@riverace.com> wrote:
>
> >> do you know how to get the artefacts into the dist dir,
> >> and link to download page etc?
> >
> > No. I need some assistance or direction with that.
>
> There's a reasonable guide to uploading things onto dist.apache.org
at
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#unde
> rstanding-distribution
>
> Short version: scp to people.apache.org and then copy it to
somewhere
> under /www/www.apache.org/dist/qpid
Ok, I copied it to ~shuston on people.apache.org but don't have rights
to copy it to /www/www/apache.org/dist/qpid/0.5 - Martin does... Can
you copy qpidc-0.5.msi and qpidc-0.5.msi.asc (qpidc-0.5.msi.sha1 is
there too)?
> I'm not sure 0.5 is the right place to put it, as it wasn't part of
> the origional bits and messing with SHA1SUM seems undignified to say
> the least.
I see your point, but doesn't that argue for all artifacts being
produced at once, even the ones that are built on different platforms?
The original concensus on the list was to host the installer on
qpid.apache.org, and the VOTE thread was 4-0 in favor of these bits -
I'd like to get this into the hands of developers soon, so would like
whatever direction I need to get it there.
Thanks,
-Steve
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Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Aidan Skinner <ai...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Steve Huston<sh...@riverace.com> wrote:
>> do you know how to get the artefacts into the dist dir,
>> and link to download page etc?
>
> No. I need some assistance or direction with that.
There's a reasonable guide to uploading things onto dist.apache.org at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html#understanding-distribution
Short version: scp to people.apache.org and then copy it to somewhere
under /www/www.apache.org/dist/qpid
I'm not sure 0.5 is the right place to put it, as it wasn't part of
the origional bits and messing with SHA1SUM seems undignified to say
the least.
- Aidan
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RE: Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Andrew Stitcher <as...@redhat.com>.
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 11:30 -0400, Steve Huston wrote:
> > From: Joshua Kramer [mailto:josh@globalherald.net]
> >
> > > I believe the broker will need additional code to properly react
> to
> > > the Windows Service controls. If you could help with these items
> for
> >
> > Good point. Do you think this should be a part of the broker
> > itself, or
> > do you think it should be done with a service control
> > "wrapper"? This is
> > what Postgres does - the pg_ctl program acts as a wrapper for the
> > postmaster and interprets the Windows control signals.
>
> I think it should be in the broker. There's already a set of files
> that are only included in the Windows build (same deal for Linux et
> al) so it's not a big deal to add it.
>
> Do you see an advantage in the wrapper approach?
I've done this (a while ago) in a previous life.
There are plusses and minuses to both approaches:
Integrated windows service loop:
* It's more, um, Windows like.
* Fewer processes to run.
* No issue with the SCM/wrapper code thinking that the service state is
one thing when it's not, because of bugs in the wrapper.
Wrapper:
* Less platform specific code.
* Much easier to debug a regular process, rather than a service process
* Windows services run a strange "main" adding to the differences
* This means that the top level code is different when running as a
service or stand-alone.
* There are already some wrappers out there that might be repurposed,
although I don't know about the licensing.
In summary:
Integrating is more windows like and is probably more deployment
focussed.
Wrapping allows for code that is more similar cross platform, and easier
debuggability.
Of course things may have changes in the years since I last did this
(nearly 10 years now), so this assessment could be off a bit.
I'd like to help out with this, but I'm a little busy on other things
now and for the foreseeable future (about 2 weeks in my case!)
Andrew
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RE: Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
> From: Joshua Kramer [mailto:josh@globalherald.net]
>
> > I believe the broker will need additional code to properly react
to
> > the Windows Service controls. If you could help with these items
for
>
> Good point. Do you think this should be a part of the broker
> itself, or
> do you think it should be done with a service control
> "wrapper"? This is
> what Postgres does - the pg_ctl program acts as a wrapper for the
> postmaster and interprets the Windows control signals.
I think it should be in the broker. There's already a set of files
that are only included in the Windows build (same deal for Linux et
al) so it's not a big deal to add it.
Do you see an advantage in the wrapper approach?
-Steve
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RE: Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
> I believe the broker will need additional code to properly react to
> the Windows Service controls. If you could help with these items for
Good point. Do you think this should be a part of the broker itself, or
do you think it should be done with a service control "wrapper"? This is
what Postgres does - the pg_ctl program acts as a wrapper for the
postmaster and interprets the Windows control signals.
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RE: Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
Hi Joshua,
> Would it be beneficial to have the installer do the following:
>
> 1. Create a service user
> 2. Register as a Windows service
>
> A while back I created Windows installers for the xTuple ERP
> application that did those things for Postgres. It shouldn't be
that
> difficult to do for Qpid.
That would be great!
I believe the broker will need additional code to properly react to
the Windows Service controls. If you could help with these items for
0.6 that would be great.
Thanks,
-Steve
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Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Joshua Kramer <jo...@globalherald.net>.
Everyone,
Would it be beneficial to have the installer do the following:
1. Create a service user
2. Register as a Windows service
A while back I created Windows installers for the xTuple ERP application
that did those things for Postgres. It shouldn't be that difficult to do
for Qpid.
Cheers,
-Josh
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RE: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Steve Huston <sh...@riverace.com>.
Hi Carl,
> Nicely done,
Thanks.
> do you know how to get the artefacts into the dist dir,
> and link to download page etc?
No. I need some assistance or direction with that.
-Steve
> Steve Huston wrote:
> > The vote results are:
> >
> > +1: 4 (Gordon, Martin, Marnie, Robert)
> > 0: 0
> > -1: 0
> >
> > I also added my key to the qpid KEYS file in svn.
> >
> > I don't believe I have access to edit the wiki or load a file onto
> > www.apache.org/dist/qpid - how do I request those be done, or get
> > access so I can do it?
> >
> > For reference, the files are at:
> >
> > The binary is at:
> > http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi
> >
> > The signature and sum are at:
> > http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.asc
> > http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.sha1
> >
> > For notes in the downloads section (and I'd add this to the
> FAQ also),
> > if the user does not have Visual Studio .NET 2008 installed
already
> > (for example, a machine that would only run the broker), the
Visual
> > C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) is required before the
> > broker can be executed. That can be downloaded from
> >
>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a5c84275-3b97
> > -4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2&displaylang=en
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: [VOTE RESULTS] Qpid C++ 0.5 signed binaries installer for Windows
Posted by Carl Trieloff <cc...@redhat.com>.
Steve,
Nicely done, do you know how to get the artefacts into the dist dir,
and link to download page etc?
Carl.
Steve Huston wrote:
> The vote results are:
>
> +1: 4 (Gordon, Martin, Marnie, Robert)
> 0: 0
> -1: 0
>
> I also added my key to the qpid KEYS file in svn.
>
> I don't believe I have access to edit the wiki or load a file onto
> www.apache.org/dist/qpid - how do I request those be done, or get
> access so I can do it?
>
> For reference, the files are at:
>
> The binary is at:
> http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi
>
> The signature and sum are at:
> http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.asc
> http://www.riverace.com/qpid/qpidc-0.5.msi.sha1
>
> For notes in the downloads section (and I'd add this to the FAQ also),
> if the user does not have Visual Studio .NET 2008 installed already
> (for example, a machine that would only run the broker), the Visual
> C++ 2008 SP1 Redistributable Package (x86) is required before the
> broker can be executed. That can be downloaded from
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=a5c84275-3b97
> -4ab7-a40d-3802b2af5fc2&displaylang=en
>
> Thanks,
> -Steve
>
>
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