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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com> on 2010/12/02 04:53:49 UTC
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice
requested.
This change is now implemented in r1040908
Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
An explanation can be found at:
https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
Regards,
Hans
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you. If you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml data. You could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
> >
> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using it for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child variants.
> >
> > Regards
> > Scott
> >
> > HotWax Media
> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >
> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Hans
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> We are thinking of the following:
> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
> > >>
> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
> > >> inventory.
> > >>
> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
> > >> flag both set, it should not.
> > >>
> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
> > >>
> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Hans
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle the box in different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
> > >>>
> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
> > >>>
> > >>> quantityUomId
> > >>> quantityIncluded
> > >>> piecesIncluded
> > >>>
> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, piecesIncluded=6.
> > >>>
> > >>> -David
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
> > >>>> product somewhere?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Hans
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Regards
> > >>>>> Scott
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> HotWax Media
> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
> > >>>>>> converted to.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>> Hans.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>>>> Hans
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> > >
> >
>
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Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice
requested.
Posted by Pierre TALLOTTE <pi...@nereide.fr>.
Hi,
I tried to create a product who can be sale/purchase in another unit. I
followed you said and it doesn't work : I can't choose my alternative
package.
Example :
- I have a bottle of water who is a "finished good" and "variant" flag on
yes. In "quantity included", I chose 1 Liter.
- For the alternative package, I have a box of bottles (a six-pack) who is
a "finished good" too and "variant" & "virtual" flags on yes. The measures
are the same than the bottle and, in "Shipping", I chose 6 in "pieces
included". I made the association "Alternative package" with the bottle
product.
Now, when I purchase a box of bottles, I have the specific screen for the
variant product who I can choose my bottle of water, but the conversion is
not made ; I can't choose the quantity I want (a six-pack in this case).
Can you help me ?
Thanks.
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Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
That sounds fair enough, I will do...
Thanks
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>I leave it up to you to further enhance it?
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 10:02 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> Almost perfect: the product names are not used, and why not a specific icon for them?
>> Also I wonder if we should not widen the left panel? I guess this width has been set when the most used screen resolution was
>> 800x600 it's now 1024x768
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> > category/catalog tree updated in r1063625
>> >
>> > thanks for your comments!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Hans
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 11:06 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> Jacopo,
>> >>
>> >> Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
>> >> AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>> >>
>> >> Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
>> >> names
>> >> (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> >> >I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>> >> >temporary
>> >> >one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity
>> >> >dates
>> >> >ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>> >> >
>> >> > Kind regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > Jacopo
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi Hans,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
>> >> >> check
>> >> >> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Could youy please have a look?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jacques
>> >> >>
>> >> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> >> >>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> >> >>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> >> >>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> An explanation can be found at:
>> >> >>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Regards,
>> >> >>> Hans
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> >> >>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>> > Hi Hans,
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for
>> >> >>>> > you.
>> >> >>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
>> >> >>>> > data.
>> >> >>>> > You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination
>> >> >>>> > to
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
>> >> >>>> > using
>> >> >>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own
>> >> >>>> > child
>> >> >>>> > variants.
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > Regards
>> >> >>>> > Scott
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > HotWax Media
>> >> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> >> >>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > > Regards,
>> >> >>>> > > Hans
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> >> >>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> >> >>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> >> >>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> >> >>>> > >> inventory.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> >> >>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> >> >>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> >> >>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> Regards,
>> >> >>>> > >> Hans
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not
>> >> >>>> > >>> be
>> >> >>>> > >>> for
>> >> >>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated
>> >> >>>> > >>> with
>> >> >>>> > >>> the >
>> >> >>>> > >>> >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system
>> >> >>>> > >>> handle
>> >> >>>> > >>> the
>> >> >>>> > >>> box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> >> >>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> >> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> -David
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> >> >>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> >> >>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> >> >>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> >> >>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> >> >>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> >> >>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Hans
>> >> >>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> Regards
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> Scott
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>> > >>
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>> > >
>> >> >>>> >
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice
requested.
Posted by Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com>.
I leave it up to you to further enhance it?
Regards,
Hans
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 10:02 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> Almost perfect: the product names are not used, and why not a specific icon for them?
> Also I wonder if we should not widen the left panel? I guess this width has been set when the most used screen resolution was
> 800x600 it's now 1024x768
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> > category/catalog tree updated in r1063625
> >
> > thanks for your comments!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hans
> >
> > On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 11:06 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> Jacopo,
> >>
> >> Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
> >> AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
> >>
> >> Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
> >> names
> >> (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >> >I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
> >> >temporary
> >> >one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity
> >> >dates
> >> >ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> >
> >> > Jacopo
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Hans,
> >> >>
> >> >> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
> >> >>
> >> >> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
> >> >> check
> >> >> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
> >> >>
> >> >> Could youy please have a look?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Jacques
> >> >>
> >> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >> >>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
> >> >>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
> >> >>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> An explanation can be found at:
> >> >>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Regards,
> >> >>> Hans
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >> >>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
> >> >>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >> >>>> > Hi Hans,
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
> >> >>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
> >> >>>> > data.
> >> >>>> > You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to
> >> >>>> > >
> >> >>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
> >> >>>> > using
> >> >>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
> >> >>>> > variants.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Regards
> >> >>>> > Scott
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > HotWax Media
> >> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
> >> >>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >> >>>> > >
> >> >>>> > > Regards,
> >> >>>> > > Hans
> >> >>>> > >
> >> >>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >> >>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
> >> >>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
> >> >>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
> >> >>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
> >> >>>> > >> inventory.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
> >> >>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
> >> >>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
> >> >>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> Regards,
> >> >>>> > >> Hans
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >> >>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be
> >> >>>> > >>> for
> >> >>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with
> >> >>>> > >>> the >
> >> >>>> > >>> >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle
> >> >>>> > >>> the
> >> >>>> > >>> box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> quantityUomId
> >> >>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
> >> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> -David
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
> >> >>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
> >> >>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
> >> >>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
> >> >>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
> >> >>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
> >> >>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> > >>>> Hans
> >> >>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >> >>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
> >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
> >> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> Regards
> >> >>>> > >>>>> Scott
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
> >> >>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >> >>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >> >>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >> >>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >> >>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>> > >>>
> >> >>>> > >>
> >> >>>> > >
> >> >>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >> >>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >> >>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >> >>>> > >
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >> >>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >
>
>
--
Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Hans,
Almost perfect: the product names are not used, and why not a specific icon for them?
Also I wonder if we should not widen the left panel? I guess this width has been set when the most used screen resolution was
800x600 it's now 1024x768
Thanks for your time!
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> category/catalog tree updated in r1063625
>
> thanks for your comments!
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 11:06 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Jacopo,
>>
>> Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
>> AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>>
>> Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
>> names
>> (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> >I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>> >temporary
>> >one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity
>> >dates
>> >ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Jacopo
>> >
>> > On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Hans,
>> >>
>> >> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>> >>
>> >> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
>> >> check
>> >> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>> >>
>> >> Could youy please have a look?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> >>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>> >>>
>> >>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> >>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> >>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>> >>>
>> >>> An explanation can be found at:
>> >>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>> Hans
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> >>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>> > Hi Hans,
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
>> >>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
>> >>>> > data.
>> >>>> > You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
>> >>>> > using
>> >>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
>> >>>> > variants.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > Regards
>> >>>> > Scott
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > HotWax Media
>> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> >>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > Regards,
>> >>>> > > Hans
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> >>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> >>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> >>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> >>>> > >> inventory.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> >>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> >>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> >>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> Regards,
>> >>>> > >> Hans
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> >>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be
>> >>>> > >>> for
>> >>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with
>> >>>> > >>> the >
>> >>>> > >>> >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle
>> >>>> > >>> the
>> >>>> > >>> box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> >>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> -David
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> >>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> >>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> >>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> >>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> >>>> > >>>>
>> >>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> >>>> > >>>>
>> >>>> > >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> > >>>> Hans
>> >>>> > >>>>
>> >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> Regards
>> >>>> > >>>>> Scott
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> >>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> >>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> >>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> >>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> >>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>> > >>>>
>> >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>> > >>>>
>> >>>> > >>>
>> >>>> > >>
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>> > >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice
requested.
Posted by Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com>.
category/catalog tree updated in r1063625
thanks for your comments!
Regards,
Hans
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 11:06 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Jacopo,
>
> Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
> AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>
> Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the names
> (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a temporary
> >one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity dates
> >ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Jacopo
> >
> > On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Hans,
> >>
> >> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
> >>
> >> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check
> >> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
> >>
> >> Could youy please have a look?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
> >>>
> >>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
> >>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
> >>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
> >>>
> >>> An explanation can be found at:
> >>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
> >>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>>> > Hi Hans,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
> >>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml data.
> >>>> > You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to >
> >>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using
> >>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
> >>>> > variants.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Regards
> >>>> > Scott
> >>>> >
> >>>> > HotWax Media
> >>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
> >>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Regards,
> >>>> > > Hans
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
> >>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
> >>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
> >>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
> >>>> > >> inventory.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
> >>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
> >>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
> >>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> Regards,
> >>>> > >> Hans
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for
> >>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the >
> >>>> > >>> >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle the
> >>>> > >>> box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>> quantityUomId
> >>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
> >>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>> -David
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
> >>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
> >>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
> >>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
> >>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
> >>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
> >>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> Regards,
> >>>> > >>>> Hans
> >>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> Regards
> >>>> > >>>>> Scott
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
> >>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
> >>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
> >>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
> >>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
> >>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
> >>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
> >>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
> >>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
> >>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
> >>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
> >>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
> >>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
> >>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
> >>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
> >>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>>
> >>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>
> >>>> > >>
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
OK I will do
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> sure, change it, that is no problem for us.....
>
> On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 09:47 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> A last request: I think we should better have a white background for the tree.
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> > Hi Jacques, were are looking at it but very busy.....
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Hans
>> >
>> > On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:37 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> Hans,
>> >>
>> >> Inline...
>> >>
>> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> >> > Jacopo,
>> >> >
>> >> > Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
>> >> > AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>> >> >
>> >> > Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have
>> >> > the
>> >> > names (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>> >>
>> >> The reason I insist about that is because I managed some years ago to have the categories names localized
>> >> (DemoProductCategoriesI18nData.xml) and this is lost now there now...
>> >> Also why not have the same in Order Manager and why not eCommerce?
>> >> Then we should also increase the size of the left panels...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Jacques
>> >>
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Jacques
>> >> >
>> >> > From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> >> >>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>> >> >>temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue
>> >> >>(validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Kind regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Jacopo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Hi Hans,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
>> >> >>> check
>> >> >>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Could youy please have a look?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jacques
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> >> >>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> >> >>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> >> >>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> An explanation can be found at:
>> >> >>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>> Hans
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> >> >>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > Hi Hans,
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for
>> >> >>>>> > you.
>> >> >>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity
>> >> >>>>> > xml
>> >> >>>>> > data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y
>> >> >>>>> > combination
>> >> >>>>> > to >
>> >> >>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
>> >> >>>>> > using
>> >> >>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own
>> >> >>>>> > child
>> >> >>>>> > variants.
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > Regards
>> >> >>>>> > Scott
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > HotWax Media
>> >> >>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> >> >>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>> > > Regards,
>> >> >>>>> > > Hans
>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> >> >>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> >> >>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> >> >>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> >> >>>>> > >> inventory.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> >> >>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> >> >>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> >> >>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> Regards,
>> >> >>>>> > >> Hans
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not
>> >> >>>>> > >>> be
>> >> >>>>> > >>> for
>> >> >>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated
>> >> >>>>> > >>> with
>> >> >>>>> > >>> the
>> >> >>>>> > >>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system
>> >> >>>>> > >>> handle
>> >> >>>>> > >>> the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes
>> >> >>>>> > >>> manually.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> >> >>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> >> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> -David
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Hans
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> Regards
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> Scott
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> --
>> >> >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >> >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hans,
A last request: I think we should better have a white background for the tree.
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> Hi Jacques, were are looking at it but very busy.....
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:37 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> Inline...
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> > Jacopo,
>> >
>> > Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
>> > AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>> >
>> > Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
>> > names (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>>
>> The reason I insist about that is because I managed some years ago to have the categories names localized
>> (DemoProductCategoriesI18nData.xml) and this is lost now there now...
>> Also why not have the same in Order Manager and why not eCommerce?
>> Then we should also increase the size of the left panels...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> >>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>> >>temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue
>> >>(validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Jacopo
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Hans,
>> >>>
>> >>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>> >>>
>> >>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
>> >>> check
>> >>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>> >>>
>> >>> Could youy please have a look?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Jacques
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> >>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> >>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> >>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> An explanation can be found at:
>> >>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Hans
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> >>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>>> > Hi Hans,
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for
>> >>>>> > you.
>> >>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
>> >>>>> > data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination
>> >>>>> > to >
>> >>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
>> >>>>> > using
>> >>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own
>> >>>>> > child
>> >>>>> > variants.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Regards
>> >>>>> > Scott
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > HotWax Media
>> >>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> >>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Regards,
>> >>>>> > > Hans
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> >>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> >>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> >>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> >>>>> > >> inventory.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> >>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> >>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> >>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be
>> >>>>> > >>> for
>> >>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with
>> >>>>> > >>> the
>> >>>>> > >>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system
>> >>>>> > >>> handle
>> >>>>> > >>> the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> >>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> -David
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> >>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> >>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> >>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> >>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Scott
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Thanks Hans, much appreciated
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> Hi Jacques, were are looking at it but very busy.....
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:37 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Hans,
>>
>> Inline...
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> > Jacopo,
>> >
>> > Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
>> > AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>> >
>> > Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
>> > names (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>>
>> The reason I insist about that is because I managed some years ago to have the categories names localized
>> (DemoProductCategoriesI18nData.xml) and this is lost now there now...
>> Also why not have the same in Order Manager and why not eCommerce?
>> Then we should also increase the size of the left panels...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Jacques
>> >
>> > From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> >>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>> >>temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue
>> >>(validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >>
>> >> Jacopo
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Hans,
>> >>>
>> >>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>> >>>
>> >>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not
>> >>> check
>> >>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>> >>>
>> >>> Could youy please have a look?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> Jacques
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> >>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> >>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> >>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> An explanation can be found at:
>> >>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Hans
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> >>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>>> > Hi Hans,
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for
>> >>>>> > you.
>> >>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
>> >>>>> > data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination
>> >>>>> > to >
>> >>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and
>> >>>>> > using
>> >>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own
>> >>>>> > child
>> >>>>> > variants.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Regards
>> >>>>> > Scott
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > HotWax Media
>> >>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> >>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Regards,
>> >>>>> > > Hans
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> >>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> >>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> >>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> >>>>> > >> inventory.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> >>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> >>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> >>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be
>> >>>>> > >>> for
>> >>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with
>> >>>>> > >>> the
>> >>>>> > >>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system
>> >>>>> > >>> handle
>> >>>>> > >>> the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> >>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> -David
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> >>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> >>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> >>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> >>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use >
>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>> > >>>>> Scott
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >>>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >>>>
>> >>>>> > >>>
>> >>>>> > >>
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice
requested.
Posted by Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com>.
Hi Jacques, were are looking at it but very busy.....
Regards,
Hans
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 18:37 +0100, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hans,
>
> Inline...
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> > Jacopo,
> >
> > Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
> > AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
> >
> > Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
> > names (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
>
> The reason I insist about that is because I managed some years ago to have the categories names localized
> (DemoProductCategoriesI18nData.xml) and this is lost now there now...
> Also why not have the same in Order Manager and why not eCommerce?
> Then we should also increase the size of the left panels...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> >>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
> >>temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue
> >>(validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Jacopo
> >>
> >> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Hans,
> >>>
> >>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
> >>>
> >>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check
> >>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
> >>>
> >>> Could youy please have a look?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
> >>>>
> >>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
> >>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
> >>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
> >>>>
> >>>> An explanation can be found at:
> >>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Hans
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
> >>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>>>> > Hi Hans,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
> >>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
> >>>>> > data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to >
> >>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using
> >>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
> >>>>> > variants.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Regards
> >>>>> > Scott
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > HotWax Media
> >>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
> >>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Regards,
> >>>>> > > Hans
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
> >>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
> >>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
> >>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
> >>>>> > >> inventory.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
> >>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
> >>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
> >>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> Regards,
> >>>>> > >> Hans
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for
> >>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the
> >>>>> > >>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle
> >>>>> > >>> the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
> >>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> -David
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
> >>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
> >>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
> >>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
> >>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> Regards,
> >>>>> > >>>> Hans
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> Regards
> >>>>> > >>>>> Scott
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
> >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
> >>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
> >>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
> >>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
> >>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>>> > >>>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>>> > >>>
> >>>>> > >>
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
--
Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hans,
Inline...
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Jacopo,
>
> Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
> AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
>
> Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the
> names (with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
The reason I insist about that is because I managed some years ago to have the categories names localized
(DemoProductCategoriesI18nData.xml) and this is lost now there now...
Also why not have the same in Order Manager and why not eCommerce?
Then we should also increase the size of the left panels...
Thanks
Jacques
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a
>>temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue
>>(validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Hans,
>>>
>>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>>>
>>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check
>>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>>>
>>> Could youy please have a look?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>>>>
>>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>>>>
>>>> An explanation can be found at:
>>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>> > Hi Hans,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
>>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml
>>>>> > data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to >
>>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using
>>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
>>>>> > variants.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> > Scott
>>>>> >
>>>>> > HotWax Media
>>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Regards,
>>>>> > > Hans
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>>>>> > >> inventory.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> Regards,
>>>>> > >> Hans
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for
>>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the
>>>>> > >>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle
>>>>> > >>> the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> -David
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> Regards,
>>>>> > >>>> Hans
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to >
>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> Regards
>>>>> > >>>>> Scott
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>>
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>> > >>>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Jacopo,
Well spotted! I have fixed your concern at r1059279. I wonder how I missed that since I was inspired by
AgreementServices.getCommissionForProduct() :/
Hans: also could you please look at the catalogs/categories tree: there is only Ids in it, at least we should rather have the names
(with the Ids would be better). Also, if we could have different icons for catalogs and categories...
Thanks
Jacques
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a temporary
>one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity dates
>ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Hi Hans,
>>
>> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>>
>> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check
>> them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>>
>> Could youy please have a look?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>>>
>>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>>>
>>> An explanation can be found at:
>>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> > Hi Hans,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you.
>>>> > If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml data.
>>>> > You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>>>> >
>>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to >
>>>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using
>>>> > it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child
>>>> > variants.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> > Scott
>>>> >
>>>> > HotWax Media
>>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Regards,
>>>> > > Hans
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>>>> > >> inventory.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Regards,
>>>> > >> Hans
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for
>>>> > >>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the >
>>>> > >>> >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle the
>>>> > >>> box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>>
>>>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> -David
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>> Regards,
>>>> > >>>> Hans
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> Regards
>>>> > >>>>> Scott
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>> > >>>>>>
>>>> > >>>>>
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>> > >>>>
>>>> > >>>
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>
>>
>
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I think that we should not forget about this because the fix proposed by Jacques (thanks for this) should be considered a temporary one... for example it doesn't take into account validity dates of the relationship; as a side note, the same issue (validity dates ignored) was also in the original cod committed by Hans (see the isAlternativePacking method).
Kind regards,
Jacopo
On Jan 10, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
>
> The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
>
> Could youy please have a look?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>>
>> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
>> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
>> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>>
>> An explanation can be found at:
>> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>> > Hi Hans,
>>> >
>>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you. If > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml data. You > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>>> >
>>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using it > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child variants.
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> > Scott
>>> >
>>> > HotWax Media
>>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>> >
>>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>>> > >
>>> > > Regards,
>>> > > Hans
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>>> > >> inventory.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >> Hans
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle the box in > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> quantityUomId
>>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz, > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> -David
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> Regards,
>>> > >>>> Hans
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Regards
>>> > >>>>> Scott
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > -- > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>
>
Re: more than one unit of measue fo the same product: advice requested.
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Hans,
This has introduced a bug I fixed at r1057153
The isVirtual Product attribute shows around 160 times in *form*.xml,*een*, *.gro*,*.ftl,*.java files. Of course I did not check
them all. But I'd be surprised if your change has not introduced some other side effects...
Could youy please have a look?
Thanks
Jacques
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> This change is now implemented in r1040908
>
> Related to the comment from Scott, Instead of using the existing
> association, we have created a new product association 'Alternative
> Packaging' to not interfere with the usage of Scott.
>
> An explanation can be found at:
> https://www.antwebsystems.com/content/control/ViewBlogArticle?articleContentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 16:06 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> i could also add a new association type "alternative Uom" and then still
>> use isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y...which would not block your usage....
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 21:34 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> > Hi Hans,
>> >
>> > I'm still in favor of the approach that I suggested earlier and you haven't really mentioned why it wouldn't work for you. If
>> > you like and if you are willing to wait a couple of days I could show you what I mean with some example entity xml data. You
>> > could then load it into a demo instance and play around with it.
>> >
>> > I haven't read your proposal in detail yet but I'm not really in favor of using the isVirtual=Y/isVariant=Y combination to
>> > indicate uom specific behavior. I think it is quite possible for a product to have that combination in real life and using it
>> > for something else would remove that possibility. Imagine a variant that is itself also a virtual with its own child variants.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > HotWax Media
>> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> >
>> > On 11/11/2010, at 8:46 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> >
>> > > A longer explanation how we want to implement this can be found at:
>> > > http://www.antwebsystems.com/control/ViewBlogArticle?contentId=16750&blogContentId=AWS_BLOG
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Hans
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 16:52 +0700, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> > >> We are are still getting the best solution, help appreciated.
>> > >>
>> > >> We are thinking of the following:
>> > >> you have a product which you sell in pieces and boxes of ten.
>> > >>
>> > >> Then the product per piece is the lowest denominator and has a variant
>> > >> association to a virtual/variant product which is an alternative
>> > >> packaging of the product per piece and can have an adjusted price but no
>> > >> inventory.
>> > >>
>> > >> Currently the e-commerce checks for the virtual flag and want to show a
>> > >> feature selection list, however in the case of the virtual- and variant
>> > >> flag both set, it should not.
>> > >>
>> > >> When the box of 10 is selected, The productId per piece is selected with
>> > >> the adjusted price of the box variant.
>> > >>
>> > >> Comments very much appreciated.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> Hans
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 12:13 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> > >>> For boxes of a product you'll usually have one product that represents the individual items (which may or may not be for
>> > >>> sale directly to the customer), and one that is a product that represents the box and that is associated with the
>> > >>> individual item. In OFBiz there are a few different product types you can choose from to have the system handle the box in
>> > >>> different ways automatically, or you can use plain old Finished Good to handle the boxes manually.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> For certain products all you need is the three fields already on the Product entity:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> quantityUomId
>> > >>> quantityIncluded
>> > >>> piecesIncluded
>> > >>>
>> > >>> For example if you have a six-pack of 12oz soda cans you would have quantityIncluded=12, quantityUomId=oz,
>> > >>> piecesIncluded=6.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -David
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:02 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> Hi Scott, this is sure an interesting idea, but then how does the system
>> > >>>> know that they are for example 10 pieces in a box? I still what to have
>> > >>>> the same inventory for boxes and pieces.
>> > >>>> We should be able to store the conversion between the uom's for this
>> > >>>> product somewhere?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks for you input!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Regards,
>> > >>>> Hans
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 17:39 +1300, Scott Gray wrote:
>> > >>>>> Hi Hans,
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just use different products for different UOMs? You could use
>> > >>>>> virtual/variants if you wanted the UOM to be selectable on a single product page and also marketing packages to
>> > >>>>> automatically produce inventory for the desired UOM from the base UOM.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>> Scott
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> HotWax Media
>> > >>>>> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> On 3/10/2010, at 3:54 PM, Hans Bakker wrote:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Thank you BJ,
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> I had in mind to create and 'productUomAlternatives' table to the
>> > >>>>>> product with a conversion for example from pieces to boxes with an
>> > >>>>>> optional price adjustment percentage.
>> > >>>>>> The system will have however only one uom where everything gets
>> > >>>>>> converted to.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Anybody else other solutions?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>> Hans.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 10:21 -0700, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> Yes also like a Feed store will have boxes, Sacks, and loose feed.
>> > >>>>>>> I used the multiple pricing model for the Uom Measure
>> > >>>>>>> in the product screen made it allow multiple UOM.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> added to the code that converts from what is received in inventory to
>> > >>>>>>> what is sold so it walks through the Uom. for instance a feed store
>> > >>>>>>> Receives feed in Bulk and then sacks it as inventory is required.
>> > >>>>>>> The Inventory levels have to be checked to see how many in a product
>> > >>>>>>> run to generate to sack up the grain. This Triggers an Seca.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I think a nice touch would be that the could generates the product data
>> > >>>>>>> to show up in orders, based on the Uoms that were generated for the
>> > >>>>>>> products. it would follow the same model for inventory levels on the
>> > >>>>>>> orderentry and Ecommerce
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Hans Bakker sent the following on 10/2/2010 4:29 AM:
>> > >>>>>>>> A question to the community:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> sometimes the same products are sold with different units of measure.
>> > >>>>>>>> Example gold jewelry.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Per piece, per box of 10, per box of 50 and per gram gold weight.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Is here a preference how to implement that?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Remember this has to show up in e-commerce, orders, shipments and
>> > >>>>>>>> invoices...
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >>>>>>>> Hans
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> > >>>>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> > >>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> --
>> > >>>> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> > >>>> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> > >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
>> > > Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
>> > > Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
> --
> Ofbiz on twitter: http://twitter.com/apache_ofbiz
> Myself on twitter: http://twitter.com/hansbak
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality services for competitive rates.
>