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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> on 2012/08/28 02:44:02 UTC
Update on Falcon donation
The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks, causing a delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll add the code to the repository.
- Gordon
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
The delays with the Falcon paperwork are running up against a 5-day vacation I'm taking starting this Friday. If I'm able to donate the code tomorrow, I can answer questions about it on Thursday before I leave. I'll be back on Monday, September 10.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosmith@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:52 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Update on Falcon donation
The donation documents have been sent to Apache. Adobe has to wait for notification that they have been recorded before we can donate the code. Alex says this sometimes takes a while.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosmith@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:23 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Update on Falcon donation
Falcon is the version of the compiler that is being donated to Apache. It was forked off of the FB 4.7 compiler about a month ago and is essentially the same except for the packages being renamed from org.apache.flex.* instead of com.adobe.flash.*.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Pepe [mailto:pepe.fxug@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
Hello
Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which is not Falcon precisely?
2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice
> President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> causing a
> delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll
> add the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by te...@teotigraphix.com.
IMHO, problems like this are best solved with some type of framework
that creates a high level abstraction, where you are taking the load
of the generation and putting it into the API that the generator
implements.
I think in the past, there has been to much talk about emulating as
you say Gordon, instead of actually solving problems that relate to
the future development of applications using new technology and
platforms.
I really doubt a project like this would last or survive trying to
emulate anything. It needs to solve a problem and be written from the
ground up solving that problem.
My point is, what is the end result in HTML5? To find it, work
backwards from something you want in HTML to the implementation in
ActionScript and the cross compilation API.
Mike
Quoting Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>:
> My personal opinion is that outputting to HTML5+JS+CSS could make
> sense if ActionScript is restricted to the subset that maps well to
> JS and if you don't try to emulate any flash.* APIs. There is
> nothing about MXML that is tied to DisplayObjects, for example.
> Instead of writing <s:Button> and having it make me a
> DisplayObject-based Button where DisplayObject is implemented using
> HTML5 Canvas APIs or something, I would want to write <js:Button>
> and have it make me a new Button component that is implemented using
> HTML5 drawing APIs directly. I think the approach of emulating one
> API with another is generally filled with gotchas that frustrate
> developers, because there is too much mismatch and the emulation
> isn't complete enough.
>
> - Gordon
>
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
My personal opinion is that outputting to HTML5+JS+CSS could make sense if ActionScript is restricted to the subset that maps well to JS and if you don't try to emulate any flash.* APIs. There is nothing about MXML that is tied to DisplayObjects, for example. Instead of writing <s:Button> and having it make me a DisplayObject-based Button where DisplayObject is implemented using HTML5 Canvas APIs or something, I would want to write <js:Button> and have it make me a new Button component that is implemented using HTML5 drawing APIs directly. I think the approach of emulating one API with another is generally filled with gotchas that frustrate developers, because there is too much mismatch and the emulation isn't complete enough.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: carlos.rovira@gmail.com [mailto:carlos.rovira@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Rovira
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:48 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
Hi Gordon,
I'm surprised to know FalconJS was discontinued by Adobe, taking into account the new way to HTML5.
I would like to know more about this decision. Maybe it was studied and the results were negative to think in FalconJS as a project that could get to be a valid tool in the future?
What do you think, taking into account that you have a deep knowledge about flex, falcon and JS...do you think that FalconJS could make the Flex platform to provide output to HTML5+JS+CSS?
Thanks for your comments
Best,
Carlos
2012/8/28 Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>:
> No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate team (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't considered part of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of months and isn't currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next steps after donating Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
>
> - Gordon
--
Carlos Rovira
Director de Tecnología
M: +34 607 22 60 05
F: +34 912 35 57 77
CODEOSCOPIC S.A.
Avd. del General Perón, 32
Planta 10, Puertas P-Q
28020 Madrid
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Hi Gordon,
I'm surprised to know FalconJS was discontinued by Adobe, taking into
account the new way to HTML5.
I would like to know more about this decision. Maybe it was studied
and the results were negative to think in FalconJS as a project that
could get to be a valid tool in the future?
What do you think, taking into account that you have a deep knowledge
about flex, falcon and JS...do you think that FalconJS could make the
Flex platform to provide output to HTML5+JS+CSS?
Thanks for your comments
Best,
Carlos
2012/8/28 Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>:
> No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate team (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't considered part of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of months and isn't currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next steps after donating Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
>
> - Gordon
--
Carlos Rovira
Director de Tecnología
M: +34 607 22 60 05
F: +34 912 35 57 77
CODEOSCOPIC S.A.
Avd. del General Perón, 32
Planta 10, Puertas P-Q
28020 Madrid
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
I don't think that Adobe is backing away from donating FalconJS. But code can typically never be donated "as is" for various legal reasons. Even if the code doesn't compile or run, it still takes someone at Adobe to do prep work like putting in Apache copyright headers, changing the package names from ones involving "adobe" and "flash" (which I think trademarks of Adobe), scrubbing comments that aren't intended for public consumption, making the build script compliant with Apache's requirements, getting Adobe Legal to sign off, etc. It will probably end up either being me, Alex, or Carol that does this work, even though none of us worked on FalconJS, because the engineer who did is working on other stuff now.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Omar Gonzalez [mailto:omarg.developer@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 2:41 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate
> team (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't
> considered part of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of
> months and isn't currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next
> steps after donating Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
>
> - Gordon
Thanks for the updates, Gordon.
I think even if the state of FalconJS has gotten out of sync with the current state of Falcon people will still be very interested in the approach and, I think, more than likely will want to at least use the code as reference for getting a "FalconJS" closer to production-ready. Not sure if community feedback will be part of the decision Adobe makes on what to do with FalconJS, but if it counts for anything I'm pretty sure the community will take the project in any state it may be in. I know I would.
:)
-omar
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>.
Gordon thanks for the update.
I agree with Omar.
On 28 August 2012 22:41, Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate
> team
> > (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't considered part
> > of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of months and isn't
> > currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next steps after
> donating
> > Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
> >
> > - Gordon
>
>
> Thanks for the updates, Gordon.
>
> I think even if the state of FalconJS has gotten out of sync with the
> current state of Falcon people will still be very interested in the
> approach and, I think, more than likely will want to at least use the code
> as reference for getting a "FalconJS" closer to production-ready. Not sure
> if community feedback will be part of the decision Adobe makes on what to
> do with FalconJS, but if it counts for anything I'm pretty sure the
> community will take the project in any state it may be in. I know I would.
> :)
>
> -omar
>
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Omar Gonzalez <om...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate team
> (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't considered part
> of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of months and isn't
> currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next steps after donating
> Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
>
> - Gordon
Thanks for the updates, Gordon.
I think even if the state of FalconJS has gotten out of sync with the
current state of Falcon people will still be very interested in the
approach and, I think, more than likely will want to at least use the code
as reference for getting a "FalconJS" closer to production-ready. Not sure
if community feedback will be part of the decision Adobe makes on what to
do with FalconJS, but if it counts for anything I'm pretty sure the
community will take the project in any state it may be in. I know I would.
:)
-omar
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
No, sorry. FalconJS was a separate experimental project by a separate team (actually, by one person). It adds on to Falcon but isn't considered part of Falcon. It hasn't been maintained for a number of months and isn't currently in shape to be donated. One of Adobe's next steps after donating Falcon will be to figure out what to do about FalconJS.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: filippo dipisa [mailto:filippo@dipisa.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:24 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
Hi Gordon,
does this version of Falcon include also FalconJs?
Thanks in advance.
Filippo
On 28 August 2012 20:52, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> The donation documents have been sent to Apache. Adobe has to wait for
> notification that they have been recorded before we can donate the code.
> Alex says this sometimes takes a while.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosmith@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:23 AM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Update on Falcon donation
>
> Falcon is the version of the compiler that is being donated to Apache.
> It was forked off of the FB 4.7 compiler about a month ago and is
> essentially the same except for the packages being renamed from
> org.apache.flex.* instead of com.adobe.flash.*.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pepe [mailto:pepe.fxug@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16 AM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
>
> Hello
>
> Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which
> is not Falcon precisely?
>
> 2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
>
> > The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant
> > Vice President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> > causing a
> > delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll
> > add the code to the repository.
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
> >
>
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by filippo dipisa <fi...@dipisa.net>.
Hi Gordon,
does this version of Falcon include also FalconJs?
Thanks in advance.
Filippo
On 28 August 2012 20:52, Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com> wrote:
> The donation documents have been sent to Apache. Adobe has to wait for
> notification that they have been recorded before we can donate the code.
> Alex says this sometimes takes a while.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosmith@adobe.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:23 AM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Update on Falcon donation
>
> Falcon is the version of the compiler that is being donated to Apache. It
> was forked off of the FB 4.7 compiler about a month ago and is essentially
> the same except for the packages being renamed from org.apache.flex.*
> instead of com.adobe.flash.*.
>
> - Gordon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pepe [mailto:pepe.fxug@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16 AM
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
>
> Hello
>
> Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which is
> not Falcon precisely?
>
> 2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
>
> > The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice
> > President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> > causing a
> > delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll
> > add the code to the repository.
> >
> > - Gordon
> >
> >
>
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
The donation documents have been sent to Apache. Adobe has to wait for notification that they have been recorded before we can donate the code. Alex says this sometimes takes a while.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosmith@adobe.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:23 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Update on Falcon donation
Falcon is the version of the compiler that is being donated to Apache. It was forked off of the FB 4.7 compiler about a month ago and is essentially the same except for the packages being renamed from org.apache.flex.* instead of com.adobe.flash.*.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Pepe [mailto:pepe.fxug@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
Hello
Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which is not Falcon precisely?
2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice
> President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> causing a
> delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll
> add the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
RE: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>.
Falcon is the version of the compiler that is being donated to Apache. It was forked off of the FB 4.7 compiler about a month ago and is essentially the same except for the packages being renamed from org.apache.flex.* instead of com.adobe.flash.*.
- Gordon
-----Original Message-----
From: Pepe [mailto:pepe.fxug@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 7:16 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Update on Falcon donation
Hello
Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which is not Falcon precisely?
2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice
> President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> causing a
> delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll
> add the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Pepe <pe...@gmail.com>.
Hello
Are you talking about the new compiler in FlashBuilder 4.7 beta which is
not Falcon precisely?
2012年8月28日火曜日 Gordon Smith gosmith@adobe.com:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant Vice
> President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks, causing a
> delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and recorded, I'll add
> the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by Michael Schmalle <ap...@teotigraphix.com>.
This is great news!
I have been waiting for this since January. :)
I have heard that Falcon does not implement ASDoc, is there anybody
interested in starting a conversation about how ASDoc should be
implemented with the new compiler?
FYI, I am very interested in donating my time to ASDoc and
implementing it with the new Falcon compiler.
Mike
Quoting Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant
> Vice President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> causing a delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and
> recorded, I'll add the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>
--
Michael Schmalle - Teoti Graphix, LLC
http://www.teotigraphix.com
http://blog.teotigraphix.com
Re: Update on Falcon donation
Posted by te...@teotigraphix.com.
This is great news!
I have been waiting for this since January. :)
I have heard that Falcon does not implement ASDoc, is there anybody
interested in starting a conversation about how ASDoc should be
implemented with the new compiler?
FYI, I am very interested in donating my time to ASDoc and
implementing it with the new Falcon compiler.
Mike
Quoting Gordon Smith <go...@adobe.com>:
> The donation document for Falcon has been signed by the relevant
> Vice President at Adobe. (He was on vacation for the last two weeks,
> causing a delay.) When the document has been sent to Apache and
> recorded, I'll add the code to the repository.
>
> - Gordon
>
>