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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> on 2015/09/04 02:14:12 UTC
[REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Please review.
https://github.com/cordova/apache-blog-posts/blob/master/2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md
Anything else I should add?
-Steve
Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, it could definitely be cleaned out. All the registry stuff can go,
search? Does plugman registry still overwrite npmjs.org globally?
How are platforms handling variables?
My team is hiring!
@purplecabbage
risingj.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:37 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually think the numbers will drop over time. Plugman has lost registry
> functionality (publishing, unpublishing, owners, etc). Plugin installation
> is moving into platforms instead of tools. That will signify the end of
> needing a tool to install plugins for non cli workflows. Will still be
> needed for backwards compatibility for a while though.
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We still need it.
> > There is a very important and difficult workflow for people who want to
> add
> > a 'little' cordova to an existing app. Think of a visual studio wizard to
> > add a cordova view to an existing app.
> > The reality of it is simply that it is architected as a secondary module,
> > so we can easily rework the functionality into other workflows. Ideally
> > this should not affect the mainstream cordova workflow in any way, and I
> > don't think it has been.
> > I would expect these numbers to rise in the near future.
> >
> >
> > My team is hiring!
> > @purplecabbage
> > risingj.com
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <
> nikhilkh@microsoft.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Do we even need a plugman CLI now? Monthly download counts on npm have
> > > remained steady at around 25K or so. [1]
> > >
> > > I know our docs talk about a platform-centric workflow whereby there is
> > no
> > > cordova CLI and a platform is used on its own, and the plugman CLI
> might
> > be
> > > needed. It's not clear to me how popular that workflow is and something
> > we
> > > need to support.
> > >
> > > [1] http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=plugman&author=&from=&to=
> > >
> > > -Nikhil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:21 PM
> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > Subject: RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
> > >
> > > This looks great. It will be good to reference our previous blog post
> > > about this announcement:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2015%2f04%2f21%2fplugins-release-and-move-to-npm.html&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ceed8f7f58fdb4e6ea71708d2b4e8b53d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2w2%2b2FtDC0S8gUkHQ7jmui26kaoY3HTe%2fvsrY0HhX9w%3d
> > > - just to let devs know that this is not the first time we're talking
> > about
> > > this.
> > >
> > > -Nikhil
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:50 PM
> > > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
> > >
> > > Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
> > > Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
> > >
> > > Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman
> > > cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
> > >
> > >
> > > - Carlos
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
> > > >
> > > >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <stevengill97@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Please review.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fcordova%2fapache-blog-posts%2fblob%2fmaster%2f2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cdfd3d7c4de9d4bb4889b08d2b4c2bf24%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=IDvO8xH%2fZvE5qfsebJIVW0GBI57LWpYAY71X7%2bbzs3w%3d
> > > >>
> > > >> Anything else I should add?
> > > >>
> > > >> -Steve
> > > >>
> > >
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Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>.
I actually think the numbers will drop over time. Plugman has lost registry
functionality (publishing, unpublishing, owners, etc). Plugin installation
is moving into platforms instead of tools. That will signify the end of
needing a tool to install plugins for non cli workflows. Will still be
needed for backwards compatibility for a while though.
On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 2:20 PM, Jesse <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We still need it.
> There is a very important and difficult workflow for people who want to add
> a 'little' cordova to an existing app. Think of a visual studio wizard to
> add a cordova view to an existing app.
> The reality of it is simply that it is architected as a secondary module,
> so we can easily rework the functionality into other workflows. Ideally
> this should not affect the mainstream cordova workflow in any way, and I
> don't think it has been.
> I would expect these numbers to rise in the near future.
>
>
> My team is hiring!
> @purplecabbage
> risingj.com
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Do we even need a plugman CLI now? Monthly download counts on npm have
> > remained steady at around 25K or so. [1]
> >
> > I know our docs talk about a platform-centric workflow whereby there is
> no
> > cordova CLI and a platform is used on its own, and the plugman CLI might
> be
> > needed. It's not clear to me how popular that workflow is and something
> we
> > need to support.
> >
> > [1] http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=plugman&author=&from=&to=
> >
> > -Nikhil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:21 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
> >
> > This looks great. It will be good to reference our previous blog post
> > about this announcement:
> >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2015%2f04%2f21%2fplugins-release-and-move-to-npm.html&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ceed8f7f58fdb4e6ea71708d2b4e8b53d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2w2%2b2FtDC0S8gUkHQ7jmui26kaoY3HTe%2fvsrY0HhX9w%3d
> > - just to let devs know that this is not the first time we're talking
> about
> > this.
> >
> > -Nikhil
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:50 PM
> > To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
> >
> > Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
> > Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
> >
> > Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman
> > cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
> >
> >
> > - Carlos
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
> > >
> > >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Please review.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fcordova%2fapache-blog-posts%2fblob%2fmaster%2f2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cdfd3d7c4de9d4bb4889b08d2b4c2bf24%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=IDvO8xH%2fZvE5qfsebJIVW0GBI57LWpYAY71X7%2bbzs3w%3d
> > >>
> > >> Anything else I should add?
> > >>
> > >> -Steve
> > >>
> >
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Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Jesse <pu...@gmail.com>.
We still need it.
There is a very important and difficult workflow for people who want to add
a 'little' cordova to an existing app. Think of a visual studio wizard to
add a cordova view to an existing app.
The reality of it is simply that it is architected as a secondary module,
so we can easily rework the functionality into other workflows. Ideally
this should not affect the mainstream cordova workflow in any way, and I
don't think it has been.
I would expect these numbers to rise in the near future.
My team is hiring!
@purplecabbage
risingj.com
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>
wrote:
> Do we even need a plugman CLI now? Monthly download counts on npm have
> remained steady at around 25K or so. [1]
>
> I know our docs talk about a platform-centric workflow whereby there is no
> cordova CLI and a platform is used on its own, and the plugman CLI might be
> needed. It's not clear to me how popular that workflow is and something we
> need to support.
>
> [1] http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=plugman&author=&from=&to=
>
> -Nikhil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:21 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
>
> This looks great. It will be good to reference our previous blog post
> about this announcement:
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2015%2f04%2f21%2fplugins-release-and-move-to-npm.html&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ceed8f7f58fdb4e6ea71708d2b4e8b53d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2w2%2b2FtDC0S8gUkHQ7jmui26kaoY3HTe%2fvsrY0HhX9w%3d
> - just to let devs know that this is not the first time we're talking about
> this.
>
> -Nikhil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:50 PM
> To: dev@cordova.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
>
> Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
> Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
>
> Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman
> cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
>
>
> - Carlos
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Please review.
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fcordova%2fapache-blog-posts%2fblob%2fmaster%2f2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cdfd3d7c4de9d4bb4889b08d2b4c2bf24%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=IDvO8xH%2fZvE5qfsebJIVW0GBI57LWpYAY71X7%2bbzs3w%3d
> >>
> >> Anything else I should add?
> >>
> >> -Steve
> >>
>
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RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.
Do we even need a plugman CLI now? Monthly download counts on npm have remained steady at around 25K or so. [1]
I know our docs talk about a platform-centric workflow whereby there is no cordova CLI and a platform is used on its own, and the plugman CLI might be needed. It's not clear to me how popular that workflow is and something we need to support.
[1] http://npm-stat.com/charts.html?package=plugman&author=&from=&to=
-Nikhil
-----Original Message-----
From: Nikhil Khandelwal [mailto:nikhilkh@microsoft.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:21 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
This looks great. It will be good to reference our previous blog post about this announcement:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcordova.apache.org%2fannouncements%2f2015%2f04%2f21%2fplugins-release-and-move-to-npm.html&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7ceed8f7f58fdb4e6ea71708d2b4e8b53d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=2w2%2b2FtDC0S8gUkHQ7jmui26kaoY3HTe%2fvsrY0HhX9w%3d - just to let devs know that this is not the first time we're talking about this.
-Nikhil
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:50 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
- Carlos
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please review.
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fcordova%2fapache-blog-posts%2fblob%2fmaster%2f2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cdfd3d7c4de9d4bb4889b08d2b4c2bf24%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=IDvO8xH%2fZvE5qfsebJIVW0GBI57LWpYAY71X7%2bbzs3w%3d
>>
>> Anything else I should add?
>>
>> -Steve
>>
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RE: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Nikhil Khandelwal <ni...@microsoft.com>.
This looks great. It will be good to reference our previous blog post about this announcement:
http://cordova.apache.org/announcements/2015/04/21/plugins-release-and-move-to-npm.html - just to let devs know that this is not the first time we're talking about this.
-Nikhil
-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos Santana [mailto:csantana23@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2015 5:50 PM
To: dev@cordova.apache.org
Subject: Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
- Carlos
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please review.
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fgithub.com%2fcordova%2fapache-blog-posts%2fblob%2fmaster%2f2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md&data=01%7c01%7cnikhilkh%40microsoft.com%7cdfd3d7c4de9d4bb4889b08d2b4c2bf24%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=IDvO8xH%2fZvE5qfsebJIVW0GBI57LWpYAY71X7%2bbzs3w%3d
>>
>> Anything else I should add?
>>
>> -Steve
>>
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Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Carlos Santana <cs...@gmail.com>.
Replace "read-only" , it's soo 2014
Use "immutable" sounds more hipster :-)
Other than that looks good to me, I notice you don't mentioned plugman cli. I think is OK to make general use to be cordova cli.
- Carlos
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Please review.
>>
>> https://github.com/cordova/apache-blog-posts/blob/master/2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md
>>
>> Anything else I should add?
>>
>> -Steve
>>
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Re: [REVIEW] CPR readonly blog post.
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Looks good. Spelling "swithed"
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Steven Gill <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please review.
>
> https://github.com/cordova/apache-blog-posts/blob/master/2015-09-03-CPR-readonly.md
>
> Anything else I should add?
>
> -Steve
>