osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
would be a good fit for us:

http://www.osqa.net/

thoughts?

- benoit

Re: osqa

[Tim Black <ti...@alwaysreformed.com>]

On 10/30/2013 03:09 AM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
> would be a good fit for us:
>
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> thoughts?
Would it provide any advantage over just asking questions on
StackOverflow/StackExchange?

Tim

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW: https://github.com/mcaprari/fortytwo/ StackOverflow clone as CouchApp
>
> A bit dead project, but we could resurrect it since it would be great
> example about using CouchDB in real if we'll setup such QA system.
> --
> ,,,^..^,,,
>

indeed. there was also my unmaintained nymphormation:

https://github.com/benoitc/nymphormation

- benoit


>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> > in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> > such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if
> it
> > would be a good fit for us:
> >
> > http://www.osqa.net/
> >
> > thoughts?
> >
> > - benoit
>

Re: osqa

[Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>]

BTW: https://github.com/mcaprari/fortytwo/ StackOverflow clone as CouchApp

A bit dead project, but we could resurrect it since it would be great
example about using CouchDB in real if we'll setup such QA system.
--
,,,^..^,,,


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
> would be a good fit for us:
>
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> thoughts?
>
> - benoit

Re: osqa

[Brad Rhoads <bd...@gmail.com>]

OSQA is pretty good. But not being retained any more. I think we might as
well you stack overflow.

On Oct 30, 2013 2:10 AM, "Benoit Chesneau" <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
> would be a good fit for us:
>
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> thoughts?
>
> - benoit

Re: osqa

[Alexander Shorin <kx...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 12:09 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
> would be a good fit for us:
>
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> thoughts?

I have a bit experience with http://askbot.com/
https://github.com/ASKBOT/askbot-devel

The main problem of such systems is the users expectations: if you
have an issue, you'll ask on SO / ML. That's trivial. If you look for
some solution, google will suggest you also SO. It would be hard to
promote our OSQA instance as the main place of users support.
Otherwise this would be yet another system that need to be monitored
for support.

But they are good for intranet sites for sure.

--
,,,^..^,,,

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> @Matt: "Devil's Advocate" or "The Devil's Advocate". The later features
> Charlize Theron and that's a very good thing!
>
>
Yes ^that one, with Charlize! (and Neo, and Pacino)

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

@Matt: "Devil's Advocate" or "The Devil's Advocate". The later features
Charlize Theron and that's a very good thing!

Yeah I know, I was mostly kidding about the "eliminate all other sites" bit
;-)

I'm just so very tired and bored with SO. Tired of having to sift through a
hundred+ SO garbage posts to find one or two with links to an external site
containing the answer I need. Tired of putting money in their pockets :-(



On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:14 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Mark Deibert <mark.deibert@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > @Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
> > to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
> > SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
> > communities?
>
>
> I am certainly not saying that, no, not at all. Perhaps I came off that
> way, I'm told I play the devil's advocate[1] role pretty well ;)
>
>
> >
> > If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote
> for
> > a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
> > Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!
> >
> >
> Yeah, again, I'm not taking a position against taking it in-house. I just
> would rather not see it detract from the community's core competency of
> improving couchdb. And it doesnt have to... the community will grow and
> with it, the pool of talent and ways to contribute will also grow. Hell,
> awhile back, I started in on an "aggregator to trump all aggregators"
> portal thinger... based around commentary in one of these ML threads. I
> didn't stick with it, but the idea still intrigues me.
>
> [1] Not in the same tier as Lonesome Dove, but also a good movie
>

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> @Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
> to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
> SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
> communities?


I am certainly not saying that, no, not at all. Perhaps I came off that
way, I'm told I play the devil's advocate[1] role pretty well ;)


>
> If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote for
> a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
> Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!
>
>
Yeah, again, I'm not taking a position against taking it in-house. I just
would rather not see it detract from the community's core competency of
improving couchdb. And it doesnt have to... the community will grow and
with it, the pool of talent and ways to contribute will also grow. Hell,
awhile back, I started in on an "aggregator to trump all aggregators"
portal thinger... based around commentary in one of these ML threads. I
didn't stick with it, but the idea still intrigues me.

[1] Not in the same tier as Lonesome Dove, but also a good movie

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

The site url is http://programmazione.it

I have a community with over 42.000 registered users and I'm rebuilding the platform on CouchDB, PHP, ElasticSearch and Redis. I'm doing something in the middle between StackOverflow, Reddit and WordPress. The difference with StackOverflow is that you'll not only might earn reputation with questions and answers but also with articles, book reviews and links.
It's a long story, I didn't touch the code for many years, I was tired to manage it. I didn't sell when I could (big mistake), and then I got tired to manage the site, so I started to work for a US company as Chief Software Architect, I got a H1B Visa, but then I decided to stay in Italy, I bought an house and I found myself forced to work again on the site. I could use MySQL, but I decided to go with CouchDB because I wanted learn new things and I liked the concepts behind it. Anyway, I hope to be on line for the end of the year.
I started Programmazione.it in the 1999 and I never used any intermediary. I have built relationships with media centers and direct clients in the past years and I have client like Microsoft, Oracle, Intel, HP, Fujitsu/Siemens Symantec, etc. Actually the business really sucks, but I'm not moving commercially until the new site is on line.

-Filippo

On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:13 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:

> @Filippo: I suppose if the only, or primary requirement for any new CouchDB
> Q&A community is that it have zero setup time, zero cost and zero
> maintenance, then sadly, SO/SE is the correct choice.
> 
> Side note... What is your site url? I'd be interested in talking in email
> or another thread about how you generated so much ad revenue. What worked
> and what didn't. If you would be open to that :-)
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Filippo Fadda <
> filippo.fadda@programmazione.it> wrote:
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:
>>> @Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
>>> to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
>>> SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
>>> communities? Do you understand that your SO "reputation" doesn't put any
>>> money in your pockets, just in SO's? It's a meaningless number ;-)
>> 
>> I really don't have any SO reputation and I don't care to have any, I'm
>> just saying it's a good service and I find it useful, like Gmail, Dropbox
>> and many others. You can chose to have your own mail server, spending time
>> to maintain it, or you can relay on Gmail. This is just an example.
>> There are over 8000 CouchDB question already tagged on SO, it's pretty
>> easy find results when you just use Google, and some people, not all, are
>> stimulated to answer by the reputation mechanism.
>> I don't think SO should be the only programming community, but I think
>> it's better for the CouchDB contributors to focus on CouchDB itself, using
>> external services when they are available. StackOverflow is the most cheap
>> option, Discourse can be another, a little more expensive (you need to host
>> it somewhere, to upgrade when a new version come out, and you also need
>> some mods), OSQA is gonna probably require a major effort because it's not
>> maintained anymore.
>> 
>>> If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote
>> for
>>> a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
>>> Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!
>> 
>> I'm in the advertising business, my site earned over 700K € in the last 10
>> years, but to make some real money from advertising you need traffic and
>> direct clients, media center relations, etc. Forget to make money with
>> Google AdSense. The only one that earn money from Google AdSense is Google
>> itself.
>> 
>> -Filippo

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

@Filippo: I suppose if the only, or primary requirement for any new CouchDB
Q&A community is that it have zero setup time, zero cost and zero
maintenance, then sadly, SO/SE is the correct choice.

Side note... What is your site url? I'd be interested in talking in email
or another thread about how you generated so much ad revenue. What worked
and what didn't. If you would be open to that :-)



On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Filippo Fadda <
filippo.fadda@programmazione.it> wrote:

> On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:
> > @Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
> > to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
> > SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
> > communities? Do you understand that your SO "reputation" doesn't put any
> > money in your pockets, just in SO's? It's a meaningless number ;-)
>
> I really don't have any SO reputation and I don't care to have any, I'm
> just saying it's a good service and I find it useful, like Gmail, Dropbox
> and many others. You can chose to have your own mail server, spending time
> to maintain it, or you can relay on Gmail. This is just an example.
> There are over 8000 CouchDB question already tagged on SO, it's pretty
> easy find results when you just use Google, and some people, not all, are
> stimulated to answer by the reputation mechanism.
> I don't think SO should be the only programming community, but I think
> it's better for the CouchDB contributors to focus on CouchDB itself, using
> external services when they are available. StackOverflow is the most cheap
> option, Discourse can be another, a little more expensive (you need to host
> it somewhere, to upgrade when a new version come out, and you also need
> some mods), OSQA is gonna probably require a major effort because it's not
> maintained anymore.
>
> > If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote
> for
> > a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
> > Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!
>
> I'm in the advertising business, my site earned over 700K € in the last 10
> years, but to make some real money from advertising you need traffic and
> direct clients, media center relations, etc. Forget to make money with
> Google AdSense. The only one that earn money from Google AdSense is Google
> itself.
>
> -Filippo

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:05 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:
> @Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
> to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
> SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
> communities? Do you understand that your SO "reputation" doesn't put any
> money in your pockets, just in SO's? It's a meaningless number ;-)

I really don't have any SO reputation and I don't care to have any, I'm just saying it's a good service and I find it useful, like Gmail, Dropbox and many others. You can chose to have your own mail server, spending time to maintain it, or you can relay on Gmail. This is just an example.
There are over 8000 CouchDB question already tagged on SO, it's pretty easy find results when you just use Google, and some people, not all, are stimulated to answer by the reputation mechanism.
I don't think SO should be the only programming community, but I think it's better for the CouchDB contributors to focus on CouchDB itself, using external services when they are available. StackOverflow is the most cheap option, Discourse can be another, a little more expensive (you need to host it somewhere, to upgrade when a new version come out, and you also need some mods), OSQA is gonna probably require a major effort because it's not maintained anymore.

> If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote for
> a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
> Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!

I'm in the advertising business, my site earned over 700K € in the last 10 years, but to make some real money from advertising you need traffic and direct clients, media center relations, etc. Forget to make money with Google AdSense. The only one that earn money from Google AdSense is Google itself.

-Filippo

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

@Filippo and a couple others: Are you arguing that it would be acceptable
to forcibly close and eliminate all other programming communities because
SO/SE is so absolutely perfect that we don't need any other online
communities? Do you understand that your SO "reputation" doesn't put any
money in your pockets, just in SO's? It's a meaningless number ;-)

If we have someone to set it up and it can be managed by users, I vote for
a stand-alone CouchDB community. It can then generate it's own ad income.
Give that money to the guys busting their butts building CouchDB!




On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:30 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Filippo Fadda <
> filippo.fadda@programmazione.it> wrote:
>
> > I agree, sub-communities when you have tags are useless, especially
> > because reputation is per site. You can follow CouchDB and PHP,
> JavaScript,
> > simply adding php, couchdb and javascript tags to your favorites. Having
> > separate communities makes sense, but arguments not. I mean, you can't
> > mixup groceries with programming but I find pointless having android as a
> > separate site, at least on StackOverflow where a programmer can be
> > interested in both Android and CouchDB and he wants earn reputation
> > answering questions related to different arguments.
> >
> > -Filippo
> >
> > On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. wrote:
> >
> > > I was talking about the osqa tool.
> > >
> > > One the topic of couchdb.stackexchange.com sub domain: I develop
> > android for a living and never use the Android SX page, I think they are
> > kind of pointless. I rather stick to SO and answer tags
> >
>
> Nod. you all are hitting on some of the very points that cause me to also
> have mixed feelings about that network of sites as well. It's also true
> that the same cat[tle]-herding problem exists between SO and a topic
> subsite. I imagine the maintainers probably have entertained the notion of
> Cc'ing "dba"-tagged questions into dba.stackexchange (which I happen to
> think would be clever, and "leaking" some "dba" reputation would also be
> clever) but as far as I know that doesn't happen. In any case, it's an
> interesting discussion (here) and social experiment (there)... and Drupal
> might be somewhat of an anomaly, I dunno.
>

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Filippo Fadda <
filippo.fadda@programmazione.it> wrote:

> I agree, sub-communities when you have tags are useless, especially
> because reputation is per site. You can follow CouchDB and PHP, JavaScript,
> simply adding php, couchdb and javascript tags to your favorites. Having
> separate communities makes sense, but arguments not. I mean, you can't
> mixup groceries with programming but I find pointless having android as a
> separate site, at least on StackOverflow where a programmer can be
> interested in both Android and CouchDB and he wants earn reputation
> answering questions related to different arguments.
>
> -Filippo
>
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. wrote:
>
> > I was talking about the osqa tool.
> >
> > One the topic of couchdb.stackexchange.com sub domain: I develop
> android for a living and never use the Android SX page, I think they are
> kind of pointless. I rather stick to SO and answer tags
>

Nod. you all are hitting on some of the very points that cause me to also
have mixed feelings about that network of sites as well. It's also true
that the same cat[tle]-herding problem exists between SO and a topic
subsite. I imagine the maintainers probably have entertained the notion of
Cc'ing "dba"-tagged questions into dba.stackexchange (which I happen to
think would be clever, and "leaking" some "dba" reputation would also be
clever) but as far as I know that doesn't happen. In any case, it's an
interesting discussion (here) and social experiment (there)... and Drupal
might be somewhat of an anomaly, I dunno.

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

I agree, sub-communities when you have tags are useless, especially because reputation is per site. You can follow CouchDB and PHP, JavaScript, simply adding php, couchdb and javascript tags to your favorites. Having separate communities makes sense, but arguments not. I mean, you can't mixup groceries with programming but I find pointless having android as a separate site, at least on StackOverflow where a programmer can be interested in both Android and CouchDB and he wants earn reputation answering questions related to different arguments.

-Filippo

On Oct 31, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. wrote:

> I was talking about the osqa tool. 
> 
> One the topic of couchdb.stackexchange.com sub domain: I develop android for a living and never use the Android SX page, I think they are kind of pointless. I rather stick to SO and answer tags 
> 
> "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. <
>> stuff@meredrica.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The problem I see is account explosion. I have a SO account, why
>> would I
>>> register another? Also, I would not even think about looking
>> somewhere else
>>> first (apart from docs and Google)
>>> 
>>> 
>> This is [mostly] a non-issue; the SO/SE network of sites will happily
>> re-use your existing SO account (points/reputation however, must be
>> earned
>> per sub-site).
> 
> -- 
> Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: osqa

["Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn." <st...@meredrica.org>]

I was talking about the osqa tool. 

One the topic of couchdb.stackexchange.com sub domain: I develop android for a living and never use the Android SX page, I think they are kind of pointless. I rather stick to SO and answer tags 

"matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. <
>stuff@meredrica.org> wrote:
>
>> The problem I see is account explosion. I have a SO account, why
>would I
>> register another? Also, I would not even think about looking
>somewhere else
>> first (apart from docs and Google)
>>
>>
>This is [mostly] a non-issue; the SO/SE network of sites will happily
>re-use your existing SO account (points/reputation however, must be
>earned
>per sub-site).

-- 
Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

@Matt: Your point about managers search for "CouchDB" and seeing the SO/SE
results at the top are certainly valid. However, this is something that can
be easily managed with good SEO on the (some) new CouchDB Community site.
No reason for your own site not to appear at/near the top of
Google/Bing/Yahoo searches for "CouchDB". Also, most seach engines heavily
weight results if the search word appears in the site url.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:41 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mark Deibert <mark.deibert@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > "Discourse" is looking another "partner" site to run and test their
> > software. Not sure if this is worth a look or not. It's not the Q&A
> format
> > that's been discussed so far, but it sure looks very modern and
> > interesting...
> >
> > http://www.discourse.org/
> >
> >
> Ah, a product by the same original party behind SO/SE, whose name/handle I
> still shall not mention :)
>
> But, yes, everything that I know about Discourse is that is well-engineered
> and well-maintained.
>

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> "Discourse" is looking another "partner" site to run and test their
> software. Not sure if this is worth a look or not. It's not the Q&A format
> that's been discussed so far, but it sure looks very modern and
> interesting...
>
> http://www.discourse.org/
>
>
Ah, a product by the same original party behind SO/SE, whose name/handle I
still shall not mention :)

But, yes, everything that I know about Discourse is that is well-engineered
and well-maintained.

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

"Discourse" is looking another "partner" site to run and test their
software. Not sure if this is worth a look or not. It's not the Q&A format
that's been discussed so far, but it sure looks very modern and
interesting...

http://www.discourse.org/



On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:32 PM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
> >wrote:
>
> > An anecdote on re: manpower applied to a theoretical ASF-hosted
> alternative
> >
> > I've been a participant of and observer to the Drupal open source
> community
> > for nearly a decade. Drupal version 7 was released, I believe, in March
> > 2011. Drupal.org, the canonical destination for contributions to drupal
> > along with user forums, and issue queues for contributed projects, is
> > offline *today* (Halloween 2013), because after ~1.5 years of effort, the
> > site is finally ready to be upgraded from 6 to 7... all while most
> > Drupalers are anticipating the major version 8 release.
> >
> > Why the anecdote? There are troves and hoardes of information and
> > discussions in hundreds of thousands of lengthy pages within 'D.O.'...
> > anyone who has performed work on a drupal build out knows that end of the
> > day feeling of having 47 D.O. tabs open to modules and offensively long
> > issue pages (to issues unresolved sometimes for years) and forum
> > discussions, trying to pinpoint the cause and fix for some odd unexpected
> > behavior.
> >
> > But there is also, now, and for some time, a drupal.stackexchange site.
> And
> > I am finding more and more that the SE site is of increasing value.
> Better
> > quality questions and answers, and more often than not... answers above
> the
> > fold :D
> >
> > That's not to say that algorithms to float the more useful content of
> D.O.
> > up and sink all the noise to the bottom of the sea (sorry, Robert) could
> > not be implemented some day... but, would the Drupal infra team tackle
> that
> > before or after the upgrade to Drupal 8?!
> >
> > Just wanted to fill in some of the background re: my perspective
> > --Matt
> >
>
>
> I don't want to discuss the quality of the answer you can find on a stack
> exchange inc website. Stack overflow generate a lot of noise for sure, and
> it's really difficult to find valuable and deeper information among the
> noise it generates in the search engines but it's not the thing I want to
> discuss here.
>
> Also I don't buy the argument of "there are more people on SO". One true
> thing is that most are here too even if you had to register. Simply reusing
> your email could also work as your login, you don't need more.
>
> But I don't want to enter in such considerations yet. It's kind of
> premature.
>
> To be clear I am looking for a tool to handle QA that can be controlled by
> the community: the content license, the way you can extend it... It
> appeared to me that OSQA could have been a good way to do it. From the
> discussion I can see a list of questions we should ask before choosing it
>
> - How it can scale?
> - Which scale do we need ?
> - Is it easy to manage it?
>
> I would also be interesting to know what people are expecting from such
> tool, which kind of features. Then we could probably list some solutions
> and poll everyone here about what they want even if these solutions are
> proprietary, based on some laws nobody really want etc.
>
> Just asking anyway.
>
> - benoit
>

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

>
> I don't want to discuss the quality of the answer you can find on a stack
> exchange inc website. Stack overflow generate a lot of noise for sure, and
> it's really difficult to find valuable and deeper information among the
> noise it generates in the search engines but it's not the thing I want to
> discuss here.
>
> Also I don't buy the argument of "there are more people on SO". One true
> thing is that most are here too even if you had to register. Simply reusing
> your email could also work as your login, you don't need more.
>
> But I don't want to enter in such considerations yet. It's kind of
> premature.
>

I think the hallmark of the succession of
where-we-go-online-to-find-tech-answers is how they handle and improve on
the signal to noise ratio - e.g. how efficiently can we cultivate and make
discoverable good answers.

All valid points, and yes perhaps I am thinking too far off in a strategic
tangent. But in the same vein, someone ought to be thinking strategically
about this... because the lessons of the Drupal anecdote are that an open
source project, and especially it's community, undergoes certain, sometimes
intense transformations as it grows (and couchdb will certainly grow!)...
Eventually more of those email recommendations for couchdb increase and
reach further up the managerial ladder and said managers check... wait for
it, the most popular support channels (e.g. SO) to make their 2-minute
determination on whether it is indeed viable technology...

and so on :)


>
> To be clear I am looking for a tool to handle QA that can be controlled by
> the community: the content license, the way you can extend it... It
> appeared to me that OSQA could have been a good way to do it. From the
> discussion I can see a list of questions we should ask before choosing it
>
> - How it can scale?
> - Which scale do we need ?
> - Is it easy to manage it?
>
> I would also be interesting to know what people are expecting from such
> tool, which kind of features. Then we could probably list some solutions
> and poll everyone here about what they want even if these solutions are
> proprietary, based on some laws nobody really want etc.
>

Alright, I'll drop in my other 2 cents now:
Open Atrium 2.0 (based on Drup

al 7.0 heh)
or How about that cozy cloud thing that was posted here last week?
or How about the 'apps' for garden20...

... to toss a couple of dogfooding options in the mix!



> Just asking anyway.
>
> - benoit
>

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:32 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> An anecdote on re: manpower applied to a theoretical ASF-hosted alternative
>
> I've been a participant of and observer to the Drupal open source community
> for nearly a decade. Drupal version 7 was released, I believe, in March
> 2011. Drupal.org, the canonical destination for contributions to drupal
> along with user forums, and issue queues for contributed projects, is
> offline *today* (Halloween 2013), because after ~1.5 years of effort, the
> site is finally ready to be upgraded from 6 to 7... all while most
> Drupalers are anticipating the major version 8 release.
>
> Why the anecdote? There are troves and hoardes of information and
> discussions in hundreds of thousands of lengthy pages within 'D.O.'...
> anyone who has performed work on a drupal build out knows that end of the
> day feeling of having 47 D.O. tabs open to modules and offensively long
> issue pages (to issues unresolved sometimes for years) and forum
> discussions, trying to pinpoint the cause and fix for some odd unexpected
> behavior.
>
> But there is also, now, and for some time, a drupal.stackexchange site. And
> I am finding more and more that the SE site is of increasing value. Better
> quality questions and answers, and more often than not... answers above the
> fold :D
>
> That's not to say that algorithms to float the more useful content of D.O.
> up and sink all the noise to the bottom of the sea (sorry, Robert) could
> not be implemented some day... but, would the Drupal infra team tackle that
> before or after the upgrade to Drupal 8?!
>
> Just wanted to fill in some of the background re: my perspective
> --Matt
>


I don't want to discuss the quality of the answer you can find on a stack
exchange inc website. Stack overflow generate a lot of noise for sure, and
it's really difficult to find valuable and deeper information among the
noise it generates in the search engines but it's not the thing I want to
discuss here.

Also I don't buy the argument of "there are more people on SO". One true
thing is that most are here too even if you had to register. Simply reusing
your email could also work as your login, you don't need more.

But I don't want to enter in such considerations yet. It's kind of
premature.

To be clear I am looking for a tool to handle QA that can be controlled by
the community: the content license, the way you can extend it... It
appeared to me that OSQA could have been a good way to do it. From the
discussion I can see a list of questions we should ask before choosing it

- How it can scale?
- Which scale do we need ?
- Is it easy to manage it?

I would also be interesting to know what people are expecting from such
tool, which kind of features. Then we could probably list some solutions
and poll everyone here about what they want even if these solutions are
proprietary, based on some laws nobody really want etc.

Just asking anyway.

- benoit

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

+1

On Oct 31, 2013, at 4:32 PM, matt j. sorenson wrote:

> An anecdote on re: manpower applied to a theoretical ASF-hosted alternative
> 
> I've been a participant of and observer to the Drupal open source community
> for nearly a decade. Drupal version 7 was released, I believe, in March
> 2011. Drupal.org, the canonical destination for contributions to drupal
> along with user forums, and issue queues for contributed projects, is
> offline *today* (Halloween 2013), because after ~1.5 years of effort, the
> site is finally ready to be upgraded from 6 to 7... all while most
> Drupalers are anticipating the major version 8 release.
> 
> Why the anecdote? There are troves and hoardes of information and
> discussions in hundreds of thousands of lengthy pages within 'D.O.'...
> anyone who has performed work on a drupal build out knows that end of the
> day feeling of having 47 D.O. tabs open to modules and offensively long
> issue pages (to issues unresolved sometimes for years) and forum
> discussions, trying to pinpoint the cause and fix for some odd unexpected
> behavior.
> 
> But there is also, now, and for some time, a drupal.stackexchange site. And
> I am finding more and more that the SE site is of increasing value. Better
> quality questions and answers, and more often than not... answers above the
> fold :D
> 
> That's not to say that algorithms to float the more useful content of D.O.
> up and sink all the noise to the bottom of the sea (sorry, Robert) could
> not be implemented some day... but, would the Drupal infra team tackle that
> before or after the upgrade to Drupal 8?!
> 
> Just wanted to fill in some of the background re: my perspective
> --Matt

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

An anecdote on re: manpower applied to a theoretical ASF-hosted alternative

I've been a participant of and observer to the Drupal open source community
for nearly a decade. Drupal version 7 was released, I believe, in March
2011. Drupal.org, the canonical destination for contributions to drupal
along with user forums, and issue queues for contributed projects, is
offline *today* (Halloween 2013), because after ~1.5 years of effort, the
site is finally ready to be upgraded from 6 to 7... all while most
Drupalers are anticipating the major version 8 release.

Why the anecdote? There are troves and hoardes of information and
discussions in hundreds of thousands of lengthy pages within 'D.O.'...
anyone who has performed work on a drupal build out knows that end of the
day feeling of having 47 D.O. tabs open to modules and offensively long
issue pages (to issues unresolved sometimes for years) and forum
discussions, trying to pinpoint the cause and fix for some odd unexpected
behavior.

But there is also, now, and for some time, a drupal.stackexchange site. And
I am finding more and more that the SE site is of increasing value. Better
quality questions and answers, and more often than not... answers above the
fold :D

That's not to say that algorithms to float the more useful content of D.O.
up and sink all the noise to the bottom of the sea (sorry, Robert) could
not be implemented some day... but, would the Drupal infra team tackle that
before or after the upgrade to Drupal 8?!

Just wanted to fill in some of the background re: my perspective
--Matt

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn. <
stuff@meredrica.org> wrote:

> The problem I see is account explosion. I have a SO account, why would I
> register another? Also, I would not even think about looking somewhere else
> first (apart from docs and Google)
>
>
This is [mostly] a non-issue; the SO/SE network of sites will happily
re-use your existing SO account (points/reputation however, must be earned
per sub-site).

Re: osqa

["Florian Westreicher Bakk.techn." <st...@meredrica.org>]

The problem I see is account explosion. I have a SO account, why would I register another? Also, I would not even think about looking somewhere else first (apart from docs and Google) 

Daniel Gonzalez <go...@gonvaled.com> wrote:
>If you are worried that no specific stack exchange site will be created
>for
>couchdb, why not just officially address support/issues to the couchdb
>tag
>in stack overflow? For example, Ember.js is doing just that:
>
>http://emberjs.com/community
>
>"StackOverflow is used to track questions. Just tag your question with
>ember.js or search for questions with that tag. Please check to see if
>your
>question has already been answered before asking a new one."
>
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ember.js
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Mark Deibert
><ma...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> @Filippo: Can you qualify "not big enough"?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Benoit Chesneau
><bchesneau@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM, matt j. sorenson <
>> matt@sorensonbros.net
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Benoit Chesneau
><bchesneau@gmail.com
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <
>> > matt@sorensonbros.net
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache
>CouchDB
>> > project
>> > > > > where
>> > > > > > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed.
>> Having a
>> > > > > system
>> > > > > > we
>> > > > > > >> can host where all the content is under the apache
>license
>> would
>> > > > make
>> > > > > > sure
>> > > > > > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on
>a
>> > private
>> > > > > owned
>> > > > > > >> website whose the business mode is still to come,
>provide his
>> > > login
>> > > > or
>> > > > > > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
>> > > > >
>> > > > > (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE
>Q&A,
>> I
>> > > am a
>> > > > > longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the
>original
>> > creator
>> > > > > whose name I shall not type)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away
>from the
>> > > cows.
>> > > > > Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden
>> cattle
>> > > > > drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
>> > > > > [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the
>milk,
>> > and
>> > > > the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the
>milk is
>> > > always
>> > > > better.
>> > > >
>> > > > ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and
>answer
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > > questions on the project website than on a generic website
>where you
>> > are
>> > > > not sure to find the right answer?
>> > > >
>> > > > For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even
>share the
>> > > > credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we
>will
>> > somehow
>> > > > validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to
>find
>> the
>> > > > right persons.
>> > > >
>> > > > - benoit
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have
>> > tremendous
>> > > traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the
>extra
>> > > infra and
>> > > overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and
>rallying
>> > > behind that?
>> > >
>> >
>> > This is something to keep in mind indeed.
>> >
>> > - benoit
>> >
>>

-- 
Sent from Kaiten Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: osqa

[Daniel Gonzalez <go...@gonvaled.com>]

If you are worried that no specific stack exchange site will be created for
couchdb, why not just officially address support/issues to the couchdb tag
in stack overflow? For example, Ember.js is doing just that:

http://emberjs.com/community

"StackOverflow is used to track questions. Just tag your question with
ember.js or search for questions with that tag. Please check to see if your
question has already been answered before asking a new one."

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ember.js


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> @Filippo: Can you qualify "not big enough"?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM, matt j. sorenson <
> matt@sorensonbros.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <
> > matt@sorensonbros.net
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB
> > project
> > > > > where
> > > > > > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed.
> Having a
> > > > > system
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > >> can host where all the content is under the apache license
> would
> > > > make
> > > > > > sure
> > > > > > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a
> > private
> > > > > owned
> > > > > > >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his
> > > login
> > > > or
> > > > > > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
> > > > >
> > > > > (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A,
> I
> > > am a
> > > > > longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original
> > creator
> > > > > whose name I shall not type)
> > > > >
> > > > > Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
> > > > >
> > > > > "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the
> > > cows.
> > > > > Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden
> cattle
> > > > > drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
> > > > > [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the milk,
> > and
> > > > the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the milk is
> > > always
> > > > better.
> > > >
> > > > ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and answer
> to
> > > the
> > > > questions on the project website than on a generic website where you
> > are
> > > > not sure to find the right answer?
> > > >
> > > > For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even share the
> > > > credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we will
> > somehow
> > > > validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to find
> the
> > > > right persons.
> > > >
> > > > - benoit
> > > >
> > >
> > > SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have
> > tremendous
> > > traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the extra
> > > infra and
> > > overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and rallying
> > > behind that?
> > >
> >
> > This is something to keep in mind indeed.
> >
> > - benoit
> >
>

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

As you can see there are just few specialized sites, but the critical mass maybe it's not important, in fact there is a site dedicated to Tridon and another one to SharePoint. The Area 51 FAQ doesn't answer the question, but maybe it is a good start.

http://area51.stackexchange.com/
http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq
http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/52066/what-makes-a-winning-site-proposal

This is also interesting:

http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/49551/reverse-engineering

They use some statistics to evaluate a beta site: questions per day, percentage of answered questions, avid users, answer ratio and visits per day.

On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:

> @Filippo: Can you qualify "not big enough"?

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

@Filippo: Can you qualify "not big enough"?


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <
> matt@sorensonbros.net
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB
> project
> > > > where
> > > > > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a
> > > > system
> > > > > we
> > > > > >> can host where all the content is under the apache license would
> > > make
> > > > > sure
> > > > > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a
> private
> > > > owned
> > > > > >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his
> > login
> > > or
> > > > > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
> > > >
> > > > (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A, I
> > am a
> > > > longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original
> creator
> > > > whose name I shall not type)
> > > >
> > > > Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
> > > >
> > > > "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the
> > cows.
> > > > Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden cattle
> > > > drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
> > > >
> > > > [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
> > > > [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/
> > >
> > >
> > > there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the milk,
> and
> > > the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the milk is
> > always
> > > better.
> > >
> > > ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and answer to
> > the
> > > questions on the project website than on a generic website where you
> are
> > > not sure to find the right answer?
> > >
> > > For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even share the
> > > credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we will
> somehow
> > > validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to find the
> > > right persons.
> > >
> > > - benoit
> > >
> >
> > SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have
> tremendous
> > traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the extra
> > infra and
> > overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and rallying
> > behind that?
> >
>
> This is something to keep in mind indeed.
>
> - benoit
>

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project
> > > where
> > > > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a
> > > system
> > > > we
> > > > >> can host where all the content is under the apache license would
> > make
> > > > sure
> > > > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private
> > > owned
> > > > >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his
> login
> > or
> > > > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> > > >
> > >
> > > RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
> > >
> > > (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A, I
> am a
> > > longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original creator
> > > whose name I shall not type)
> > >
> > > Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
> > >
> > > "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the
> cows.
> > > Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden cattle
> > > drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
> > >
> > > [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
> > > [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/
> >
> >
> > there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the milk, and
> > the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the milk is
> always
> > better.
> >
> > ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and answer to
> the
> > questions on the project website than on a generic website where you are
> > not sure to find the right answer?
> >
> > For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even share the
> > credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we will somehow
> > validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to find the
> > right persons.
> >
> > - benoit
> >
>
> SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have tremendous
> traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the extra
> infra and
> overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and rallying
> behind that?
>

This is something to keep in mind indeed.

- benoit

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

You can try to ask, but I don't think Stack Exchange will create a network site for CouchDB. I think the CouchDB user base is not big enough.

-Filippo

On Oct 30, 2013, at 10:09 PM, matt j. sorenson wrote:
> SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have tremendous
> traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the extra
> infra and 
> overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and rallying
> behind that?

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
> >wrote:
>
> > >
> > > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> > >
> > > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project
> > where
> > > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a
> > system
> > > we
> > > >> can host where all the content is under the apache license would
> make
> > > sure
> > > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private
> > owned
> > > >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login
> or
> > > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> > >
> >
> > RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
> >
> > (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A, I am a
> > longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original creator
> > whose name I shall not type)
> >
> > Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
> >
> > "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the cows.
> > Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden cattle
> > drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
> >
> > [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
> > [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/
>
>
> there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the milk, and
> the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the milk is always
> better.
>
> ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and answer to the
> questions on the project website than on a generic website where you are
> not sure to find the right answer?
>
> For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even share the
> credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we will somehow
> validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to find the
> right persons.
>
> - benoit
>

SO and the ever-expanding stackexchange topic-centric sites have tremendous
traction, is all I'm saying. Well that, and why bother with the extra
infra and 
overhead before proposing a 'couchdb.stackexchange' site and rallying
behind that?

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:50 PM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:

> >
> > >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> >
> > >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project
> where
> > >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a
> system
> > we
> > >> can host where all the content is under the apache license would make
> > sure
> > >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private
> owned
> > >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
> > >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> >
>
> RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE
>
> (And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A, I am a
> longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original creator
> whose name I shall not type)
>
> Benoit's stated goals are noble, but
>
> "One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the cows.
> Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden cattle
> drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb
>
> [1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
> [2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/


there are people that goes directly at the farm to look for the milk, and
the others that go at the mall. I prefer the first one, the milk is always
better.

ie why do you think it is more difficult to people to ask and answer to the
questions on the project website than on a generic website where you are
not sure to find the right answer?

For me it is just like posting an issue. And we could even share the
credentials. By hosting the website and moderate ourself we will somehow
validate the quality of the content. People will make sure to find the
right persons.

- benoit

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

>
> >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>
> >> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project where
> >> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a system
> we
> >> can host where all the content is under the apache license would make
> sure
> >> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private owned
> >> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
> >> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
>

RE: proposing an in-house alternate to SO/SE

(And first let me say that while I benefit greatly from SO/SE Q&A, I am a
longstanding critic of the moderation, scoring and the original creator
whose name I shall not type)

Benoit's stated goals are noble, but

"One does not simply pave cowpaths thousands of miles away from the cows.
Unless one is ready for a long, grueling, and fatality-ridden cattle
drive[1]" --North Dakotan Proverb

[1] Lonesome Dove[2] is probably my favorite all time show
[2] http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096639/

Re: osqa

[Nick North <no...@gmail.com>]

I very much agree with this assessment. If you go to osqa's own Q&A site (follow their 'meta' link) and click on any user name link, you find that it's broken. If someone wants to take this on and fix these sorts of problems, that's great, but it is likely to take quite a bit of work, which might be better spent on CouchDb.

Nick

> On 30 Oct 2013, at 17:31, Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it> wrote:
> 
> Someone told me to not argue with you and I don't. :-)
> 
> Anyway I'm not saying OSQA doesn't fit the CouchDB community needs, I'm just saying OSQA can't be compared with StackOverflow in term of functionalities. StackOverflow is a complex software system with versioning management, moderation based on votes, synonyms, it uses extensively ElasticSearch, it provides a way to query its data.
> OSQA is just a simple clone with basic functionalities that doesn't scale, made for personal use or minor communities. Different things for different jobs. But if you don't trust, like or simply you don't want use an external service like StackOverflow, OSQA can be an option. Just remember that the project is not active anymore, and there is a cost related its administration.
> 
> -Filippo
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
>> Good news the goal is not to replace SO (though the software isn't really
>> that complex, the difficulty is more to achieved the critical mass of users
>> to start a business model. anyway that'sanother topic ...).
>> 
>> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project where
>> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a system we
>> can host where all the content is under the apache license would make sure
>> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private owned
>> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
>> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
>> 
>> Another goal for me is to create a knowledge base owned and controlled by
>> the project under a license compatible with the project. The CC-BY-SA will
>> require a lot of work on the long term to even include a response in our
>> doc (asking for the author agreement etc...) . Having such a knowledge base
>> that can be included anywhere without much effort is a goal that worth the
>> effort imo.
>> 
>> That's the goal I would like to achieve. I am not saying this tool is OK.
>> maybe we need something better. I would have time I would make something
>> working with the ml, jira and eventually replicable, but for the next 2
>> months I have not such time. But would be happy to support such project or
>> anything that could be adapted to it.
>> 
>> - benoit
> 

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
> Anyway I'm not saying OSQA doesn't fit the CouchDB community needs, I'm
>> just saying OSQA can't be compared with StackOverflow in term of
>> functionalities. StackOverflow is a complex software system with versioning
>> management, moderation based on votes, synonyms, it uses extensively
>> ElasticSearch, it provides a way to query its data.
>> OSQA is just a simple clone with basic functionalities that doesn't
>> scale, made for personal use or minor communities. Different things for
>> different jobs. But if you don't trust, like or simply you don't want use
>> an external service like StackOverflow, OSQA can be an option. Just
>> remember that the project is not active anymore, and there is a cost
>> related its administration.
>
>
>
> This also what they are sayiing on their website. I am not which scale we
> really need but the admin cost is really smth w should take in
> consideration.
>


s/am not/don't know

sorry forgot to remove the auto correction.

and about the scale:
http://meta.osqa.net/questions/8645/how-will-osqa-scale-and-perform-under-very-heavy-usage

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013, Filippo Fadda wrote:

> Someone told me to not argue with you and I don't. :-)
>
>
 People making such comment to you are stupid and are just perverting any
real discussion by commenting in the hidden. I am only considering and
trusting people acting in the open .



Anyway I'm not saying OSQA doesn't fit the CouchDB community needs, I'm
> just saying OSQA can't be compared with StackOverflow in term of
> functionalities. StackOverflow is a complex software system with versioning
> management, moderation based on votes, synonyms, it uses extensively
> ElasticSearch, it provides a way to query its data.
> OSQA is just a simple clone with basic functionalities that doesn't scale,
> made for personal use or minor communities. Different things for different
> jobs. But if you don't trust, like or simply you don't want use an external
> service like StackOverflow, OSQA can be an option. Just remember that the
> project is not active anymore, and there is a cost related its
> administration.



This also what they are sayiing on their website. I am not which scale we
really need but the admin cost is really smth w should take in
consideration.

- benoit

>
> -Filippo
>
> On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> > Good news the goal is not to replace SO (though the software isn't really
> > that complex, the difficulty is more to achieved the critical mass of
> users
> > to start a business model. anyway that'sanother topic ...).
> >
> > My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project where
> > the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a system
> we
> > can host where all the content is under the apache license would make
> sure
> > it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private owned
> > website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
> > having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> >
> > Another goal for me is to create a knowledge base owned and controlled by
> > the project under a license compatible with the project. The CC-BY-SA
> will
> > require a lot of work on the long term to even include a response in our
> > doc (asking for the author agreement etc...) . Having such a knowledge
> base
> > that can be included anywhere without much effort is a goal that worth
> the
> > effort imo.
> >
> > That's the goal I would like to achieve. I am not saying this tool is OK.
> > maybe we need something better. I would have time I would make something
> > working with the ml, jira and eventually replicable, but for the next 2
> > months I have not such time. But would be happy to support such project
> or
> > anything that could be adapted to it.
> >
> > - benoit
>
>

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

Someone told me to not argue with you and I don't. :-)

Anyway I'm not saying OSQA doesn't fit the CouchDB community needs, I'm just saying OSQA can't be compared with StackOverflow in term of functionalities. StackOverflow is a complex software system with versioning management, moderation based on votes, synonyms, it uses extensively ElasticSearch, it provides a way to query its data.
OSQA is just a simple clone with basic functionalities that doesn't scale, made for personal use or minor communities. Different things for different jobs. But if you don't trust, like or simply you don't want use an external service like StackOverflow, OSQA can be an option. Just remember that the project is not active anymore, and there is a cost related its administration.

-Filippo

On Oct 30, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Benoit Chesneau wrote:
> Good news the goal is not to replace SO (though the software isn't really
> that complex, the difficulty is more to achieved the critical mass of users
> to start a business model. anyway that'sanother topic ...).
> 
> My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project where
> the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a system we
> can host where all the content is under the apache license would make sure
> it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private owned
> website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
> having to read some advertising just to find answers.
> 
> Another goal for me is to create a knowledge base owned and controlled by
> the project under a license compatible with the project. The CC-BY-SA will
> require a lot of work on the long term to even include a response in our
> doc (asking for the author agreement etc...) . Having such a knowledge base
> that can be included anywhere without much effort is a goal that worth the
> effort imo.
> 
> That's the goal I would like to achieve. I am not saying this tool is OK.
> maybe we need something better. I would have time I would make something
> working with the ml, jira and eventually replicable, but for the next 2
> months I have not such time. But would be happy to support such project or
> anything that could be adapted to it.
> 
> - benoit

Re: osqa

[Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Filippo Fadda <
filippo.fadda@programmazione.it> wrote:

> OSQA has just a subset of StackOverflow features. You can't even compare
> them. I'm implementing something similar to StackOverflow (with some Reddit
> and WordPress features) and I really know what I'm talking about.
> Programmers tend to minimize the complexity of a system, but StackOverflow
> is a really complex piece of software.
>

Good news the goal is not to replace SO (though the software isn't really
that complex, the difficulty is more to achieved the critical mass of users
to start a business model. anyway that'sanother topic ...).

My goal is to have a website managed by the Apache CouchDB project where
the neutrality, privacy and independence is guaranteed. Having a system we
can host where all the content is under the apache license would make sure
it is. I don't want to force anyone interested to go on a private owned
website whose the business mode is still to come, provide his login or
having to read some advertising just to find answers.

Another goal for me is to create a knowledge base owned and controlled by
the project under a license compatible with the project. The CC-BY-SA will
require a lot of work on the long term to even include a response in our
doc (asking for the author agreement etc...) . Having such a knowledge base
that can be included anywhere without much effort is a goal that worth the
effort imo.

That's the goal I would like to achieve. I am not saying this tool is OK.
maybe we need something better. I would have time I would make something
working with the ml, jira and eventually replicable, but for the next 2
months I have not such time. But would be happy to support such project or
anything that could be adapted to it.

- benoit

Re: osqa

[Filippo Fadda <fi...@programmazione.it>]

OSQA has just a subset of StackOverflow features. You can't even compare them. I'm implementing something similar to StackOverflow (with some Reddit and WordPress features) and I really know what I'm talking about. Programmers tend to minimize the complexity of a system, but StackOverflow is a really complex piece of software.

-Filippo 

On Oct 30, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Mark Deibert wrote:

> I suppose it's very similar to SO and perhaps no better. Someone should
> install OSQA and give a look to see what it can do. Maybe it's better,
> maybe not. There so much going on at SO. So much static there. A nice,
> focused on Couch only, site would be my preference :-)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Aurélien Bénel <au...@utt.fr>wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!
>> 
>> 
>> Why would it succeed better than StackOverFlow?
>> Just because it is open-source?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Aurélien
>> 
>> 

Re: osqa

["matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>]

Or propose a 'couchdb' SE site; here's the only proposal (status: closed as
not viable) I could find...
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/45045/nosql


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I suppose it's very similar to SO and perhaps no better. Someone should
> install OSQA and give a look to see what it can do. Maybe it's better,
> maybe not. There so much going on at SO. So much static there. A nice,
> focused on Couch only, site would be my preference :-)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Aurélien Bénel <aurelien.benel@utt.fr
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!
> >
> >
> > Why would it succeed better than StackOverFlow?
> > Just because it is open-source?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Aurélien
> >
> >
>

Re: osqa

[Andrew Melo <an...@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I suppose it's very similar to SO and perhaps no better. Someone should
> install OSQA and give a look to see what it can do. Maybe it's better,
> maybe not. There so much going on at SO. So much static there. A nice,
> focused on Couch only, site would be my preference :-)
>

I find that SO's searching tools are without par, the only issue is that
for some topics there's very few knowledgable people answering questions,
but that's a site-independent problem ;)

-Andrew


>
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Aurélien Bénel <aurelien.benel@utt.fr
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!
> >
> >
> > Why would it succeed better than StackOverFlow?
> > Just because it is open-source?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Aurélien
> >
> >
>



-- 
--
Andrew Melo

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

I suppose it's very similar to SO and perhaps no better. Someone should
install OSQA and give a look to see what it can do. Maybe it's better,
maybe not. There so much going on at SO. So much static there. A nice,
focused on Couch only, site would be my preference :-)


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Aurélien Bénel <au...@utt.fr>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!
>
>
> Why would it succeed better than StackOverFlow?
> Just because it is open-source?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Aurélien
>
>

Re: osqa

[Aurélien Bénel <au...@utt.fr>]

Hi,

> OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!


Why would it succeed better than StackOverFlow?
Just because it is open-source?


Regards,

Aurélien 

Re: osqa

[Mark Deibert <ma...@gmail.com>]

OSQA looks like the exact tool we need for CouchDB discussion/Q&A!


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Benoit,
>
> That looks really good. I think that could be quite helpful for Couchdb.
> It would definitely make it easier for someone to search and discover if
> someone else has a similar issue to them.
>
> Cheers
> Garren
>
> On 30 October 2013 at 10:10:29 AM, Benoit Chesneau (bchesneau@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more
> in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and
> such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it
> would be a good fit for us:
>
> http://www.osqa.net/
>
> thoughts?
>
> - benoit
>

Re: osqa

[Garren Smith <ga...@apache.org>]

Hi Benoit,

That looks really good. I think that could be quite helpful for Couchdb. It would definitely make it easier for someone to search and discover if someone else has a similar issue to them.

Cheers
Garren

On 30 October 2013 at 10:10:29 AM, Benoit Chesneau (bchesneau@gmail.com) wrote:

I discovered recently OSQA which is an opensource QA system which is more 
in phase which what I described sometimes ago to handle the questions and 
such things from any user. I wonder if someone already tested it and if it 
would be a good fit for us: 

http://www.osqa.net/ 

thoughts? 

- benoit