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[discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
hi.
Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
reasons:
- the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
- you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
times
- you waste our bandwith
If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
(absolutely not one I prefer).
How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
rgds
jan I
RE: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Lawrence Rosen <lr...@rosenlaw.com>.
I'm stepping into the middle of this thread merely to recommend that Apache projects consider using "Discourse" rather than email lists directly. http://www.discourse.org/
I had the opportunity to use Discourse at another foundation and I love the way it gathers conversations into useful threads without burying my inbox with stuff.
/Larry
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Andre Fischer <aw...@gmail.com>.
On 14.08.2014 14:02, jan i wrote:
> hi.
>
> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
>
> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
Can you give an example?
>
> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> reasons:
> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> times
> - you waste our bandwith
>
> If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>
> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>
> rgds
> jan I
>
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 04:50:02PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 14/08/14 15:59, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
> >>> hi.
> >>>
> >>> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> >>> lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
> >>>
> >>> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> >>> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
> >>>
> >>> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> >>> reasons:
> >>> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> >>> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> >>> times
> >>> - you waste our bandwith
I find more annoying (and for sure they waste more bandwith) mails that
reply to a single paragraph but don't clean the message from all the
quoted text, like this one I'm sending on purpose (I didn't even remove
the mailing list footer texts).
For the annoying duplication in your mailboxes, there are solutions for
the problem depending on the software you use; dovecot, for example, has
a Sieve extension vnd.dovecot.duplicate
http://hg.rename-it.nl/dovecot-2.1-pigeonhole/raw-file/tip/doc/rfc/spec-bosch-sieve-duplicate.txt
that can solve it with one line (if duplicate { setflag "\\seen"; }).
The main problem with mailing list is not the concept in itself, but the
lack of knowledge of the proper tools.
> >>> If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
> >>> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> >>> (absolutely not one I prefer).
> >>>
> >>> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
> >>
> >> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
> >> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
> >> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
> >> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
> >> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
> >> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
> >> but for me it is more important to reach all.
> >>
> >> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
> >>
> >
> > Sometimes I will send to one list and cc the others (bcc will look
> > spammy to some tools), and then put in the first line of the body:
> > "Responses to Foo list only".
>
> I did this as well several times but even this got ignored and
> discussion were on more than one list. So I gave up this approach.
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >>
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La Plata, Argentina
Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 14/08/14 15:59, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
>>> hi.
>>>
>>> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
>>> lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
>>>
>>> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
>>> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
>>>
>>> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
>>> reasons:
>>> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
>>> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
>>> times
>>> - you waste our bandwith
>>>
>>> If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
>>> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
>>> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>>>
>>> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>>
>> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
>> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
>> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
>> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
>> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
>> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
>> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>>
>> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>>
>
> Sometimes I will send to one list and cc the others (bcc will look
> spammy to some tools), and then put in the first line of the body:
> "Responses to Foo list only".
I did this as well several times but even this got ignored and
discussion were on more than one list. So I gave up this approach.
Juergen
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
>> hi.
>>
>> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
>> lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
>>
>> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
>> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
>>
>> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
>> reasons:
>> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
>> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
>> times
>> - you waste our bandwith
>>
>> If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
>> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
>> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>>
>> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>
> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>
> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>
Sometimes I will send to one list and cc the others (bcc will look
spammy to some tools), and then put in the first line of the body:
"Responses to Foo list only".
Regards,
-Rob
>
> Juergen
>
>
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
jan i wrote:
> 1) send the original mail to 1 list, and links on the other list. This is
> the suggested way.
It is the safest, but it is quite inconvenient. One must wait that the
first e-mail shows up in the archives, Apache archives are bad since
they do not support threaded view...
> 2) Send the mail to multiple lists, but use BCC, that way the replies will
> not be copied to all lists
Spam concerns aside (linked to BCC), this may work. In the end the issue
is not with the first announcement (we do have some messages that need
to be posted to several lists), but with the follow-up. Of course, since
our lists rewrite Reply-to, one must specify what the follow-up list is.
So: one mailing list in TO, the other ones in BCC, a first line of the
mail saying "Replies to dev@openoffice.apache.org ; the other lists are
being included for notification only".
> 3) Send a mail to every list, instead of 1 mail which reference all lists.
This easily leads to crazy thread duplication and should be avoided.
> Remember your mail get replies and that multiplies the traffic.
If it happens that I have to send a mail to multiple lists, I'll do #2
and I'll trust that people reading the message know what they are doing.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 14 August 2014 15:15, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
> > hi.
> >
> > Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> > lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
> >
> > SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> > something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
> >
> > It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> > reasons:
> > - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> > - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> > times
> > - you waste our bandwith
> >
> > If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML,
> one
> > solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> > (absolutely not one I prefer).
> >
> > How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
>
Andre ask for examples (just look in your mailbox), here are a few:
[RELEASE]: RC3 based on revision 1617669
[QA][Test Report] Weekly Status Update as of 20140811[Blog Post] Join the
OpenOffice localizationActually just look at the MLs, its hard to avoid a
mail where the sender contains several ML.
> We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
> availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
> know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
> people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
> interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
> people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
> but for me it is more important to reach all.
>
> If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
>
It is very easy, 3 ways:
1) send the original mail to 1 list, and links on the other list. This is
the suggested way.
2) Send the mail to multiple lists, but use BCC, that way the replies will
not be copied to all lists
3) Send a mail to every list, instead of 1 mail which reference all lists.
Remember your mail get replies and that multiplies the traffic.
rgds
jan I.
>
>
> Juergen
>
>
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Re: [discussion] how to stop mails being sent to multiple lists.
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 14/08/14 14:02, jan i wrote:
> hi.
>
> Have you also noticed that the amount of AOO mails have exploded
> lately....sounds good you think lots of activity
>
> SADLY the truth is different, we have a fair amoun of real mails, but
> something like 8 of 10 are sent to multiple ML.
>
> It is unwise to send the same mail to multiple lists, for a couple of
> reasons:
> - the discussion becomes scattered over multiple ML
> - you force your fellow community members to read the same mail several
> times
> - you waste our bandwith
>
> If most mails are copied to most ML....then why do we have so many ML, one
> solution could be to only have dev@ and let the others be an alias
> (absolutely not one I prefer).
>
> How can we stop this tendency to blow up our inboxes ?
We don't do that normally but for example my mails regarding the
availability of the RC builds are important for at least 3 lists. And I
know that not all people are subscribed or reading dev. But I know that
people read (are subscribed) to QA and l10n. So how can I reach all
interested parties? For me it's simple I send an email to all lists. The
people who are subscribed to all lists potentially found this annoying
but for me it is more important to reach all.
If you have a good idea how to solve this, I am interested to learn.
Juergen
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