Re: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>]

At 06:39 AM 2/19/2008, Rubin Bennett wrote:
>If you want to post to this list, please subscribe like a regular user,
>and do your research first before you post.  Nabble, in a word, sucks.
>It fences your posts as being from a subscribed address when in fact
>it's not, and Nabble is not a forum at all, but an interface to a
>mailing list with thousands of users, none of whom are here to answer
>questions that are completely irrelevant to the actual content of the
>mailing list.

I agree. Nabble is like Google Groups.

Contact them, tell them they don't have permission to archive your 
posts. I've done that. If enough people do.... 

Re: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Matthias Schmidt <be...@admilon.net>]

Am/On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 16:49:34 -0800 schrieb/wrote Evan Platt:

>At 06:39 AM 2/19/2008, Rubin Bennett wrote:
>>If you want to post to this list, please subscribe like a regular user,
>>and do your research first before you post.  Nabble, in a word, sucks.
>>It fences your posts as being from a subscribed address when in fact
>>it's not, and Nabble is not a forum at all, but an interface to a
>>mailing list with thousands of users, none of whom are here to answer
>>questions that are completely irrelevant to the actual content of the
>>mailing list.
>
>I agree. Nabble is like Google Groups.
>
>Contact them, tell them they don't have permission to archive your 
>posts. I've done that. If enough people do.... 

you can do that by yourself by adding an additional header to your mails sent.

X-No-Archive: yes

but btw this ranting was neither help nor useful.

Thanks and all the best

Matthias

RE: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Robert - elists <li...@abbacomm.net>]

> 
> Funnily enough that's the useful response. This would be a much more
> useful
> list if instead of pouncing on non-experts with tangential rants people
> simply offered a link or two, or said precisely what kind of test info is
> needed.
> 
> I have now seen these pages:
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/TestingInstallation
> http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AskingAboutIntegrations
> 
> I'll try them and check if SA is picking up the local.cf at all.
> 
> Meanwhile, one specific question: where in Linux (with Exim) is spamd
> started? I did a "spamd --help" and noticed that I can also specifically
> assign a configuration file during startup. I'd like to try that, but
> haven't found the Exim specifics.
> 
> Thanks.

Shanx

I dunno anything in regards to Exim...

Ummm, I know on the centos boxes we use it is started by checking a few
things...

Do this

ps -auxww | grep spam

see what it looks like as a process

chkconfig --list | grep spam

see if it is started as a service

typically you can do this

/etc/init.d/spamassassin 

And get this

[root@ac ~]# /etc/init.d/spamassassin
Usage: /etc/init.d/spamassassin {start|stop|restart|status|condrestart}

Then you can look at that actual file if you wish with

nano  /etc/init.d/spamassassin

ctrl-x to get out

Stuff like that...

 - rh

RE: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Shanx <sh...@gmail.com>]

Robert - elists-2 wrote:
> 
> Since you posted that you do not mind using a console shell, you could
> always do what everyone else does and do some debugging and research and
> post your results...
> 


Funnily enough that's the useful response. This would be a much more useful
list if instead of pouncing on non-experts with tangential rants people
simply offered a link or two, or said precisely what kind of test info is
needed. 

I have now seen these pages: 

http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/TestingInstallation 
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/AskingAboutIntegrations

I'll try them and check if SA is picking up the local.cf at all. 

Meanwhile, one specific question: where in Linux (with Exim) is spamd
started? I did a "spamd --help" and noticed that I can also specifically
assign a configuration file during startup. I'd like to try that, but
haven't found the Exim specifics. 

Thanks.
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RE: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Robert - elists <li...@abbacomm.net>]

> 
> This is the SpamAssassin users list. For people who are using SpamAssassin
> and having trouble with it.
> 
> My post was absolutely within the remit of this list. And I provided as
> much
> information as I thought was relevant, including the header tags added by
> SA, the local.cf file, the user_prefs setting. If some more information
> was
> necessary for you to helpful, then pray do ask. No point going into a
> tangential rant.
> 
> FWIW, Nabble sends all emails ONCE (as the mailing list would). It does
> not
> cross post (nor would the mailing list). It maintains a thread of the
> conversation (as would the mailing list mails if you used an intelligent
> reader such as Gmail). I'm not sure what your little ramble is about but
> it
> sure doesn't belong here. Write to Nabble or the SA list admin and express
> your frustrations.
> 
> Anyway, I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone about my original post. I am
> on CentOS. SA has been installed using WHM (Cpanel) but I don't mind
> tinkering with it from the console. Basically, the local.cf settings are
> not
> being picked up. How should I tell SA to read the config file as
> specified?
> 
> Thanks!

Shanx,

Even though you posted to the cpanel forums, did you pick up the phone and
call them, provided you have support?

Since you posted that you do not mind using a console shell, you could
always do what everyone else does and do some debugging and research and
post your results...

We aren't people or server mind readers... ok, well some of us are, we just
don't share so much that way....

;-)

Other than that, you really haven't provided enough information (all the way
around) to solve anything and are simply wasting time.

I imagine most people on the list that can kill threads in their readers
denied/killed this one long ago.

 - rh

Re: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Karsten Bräckelmann <gu...@rudersport.de>]

On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 18:40 -0800, Shanx wrote:
> Rubin Bennett wrote:

> FWIW, Nabble sends all emails ONCE (as the mailing list would). [...]

Nabble *does* send multiple emails re-using the very same Message-Id, if
one "edits" their "forum" post.

> [...] I'm not sure what your little ramble is about but it sure doesn't
> belong here. Write to Nabble or the SA list admin and express your
> frustrations. 

Dude, he just apologized. This is totally off base and unnecessary.


And just in case you wanna tell me to go complain to Nabble -- this is
exactly what it did, and we are currently discussing things to resolve
technical problems.

  guenther


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Re: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Shanx <sh...@gmail.com>]

Rubin Bennett wrote:
> 
> the lack of information relevant to
> this mailing list and it's source prompted me to send perhaps a stronger
> response than was necessary.  


This is the SpamAssassin users list. For people who are using SpamAssassin
and having trouble with it. 

My post was absolutely within the remit of this list. And I provided as much
information as I thought was relevant, including the header tags added by
SA, the local.cf file, the user_prefs setting. If some more information was
necessary for you to helpful, then pray do ask. No point going into a
tangential rant.

FWIW, Nabble sends all emails ONCE (as the mailing list would). It does not
cross post (nor would the mailing list). It maintains a thread of the
conversation (as would the mailing list mails if you used an intelligent
reader such as Gmail). I'm not sure what your little ramble is about but it
sure doesn't belong here. Write to Nabble or the SA list admin and express
your frustrations. 

Anyway, I'd love to hear thoughts from anyone about my original post. I am
on CentOS. SA has been installed using WHM (Cpanel) but I don't mind
tinkering with it from the console. Basically, the local.cf settings are not
being picked up. How should I tell SA to read the config file as specified? 

Thanks!
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Re: [WRONG PLACE TO ASK THIS] WHM/Cpanel: Where are the Server-wide SpamAssassin settings?

[Rubin Bennett <rb...@thatitguy.com>]

On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 16:49 -0800, Evan Platt wrote:
> At 06:39 AM 2/19/2008, Rubin Bennett wrote:
> >If you want to post to this list, please subscribe like a regular user,
> >and do your research first before you post.  Nabble, in a word, sucks.
> >It fences your posts as being from a subscribed address when in fact
> >it's not, and Nabble is not a forum at all, but an interface to a
> >mailing list with thousands of users, none of whom are here to answer
> >questions that are completely irrelevant to the actual content of the
> >mailing list.
> 
> I agree. Nabble is like Google Groups.
> 
> Contact them, tell them they don't have permission to archive your 
> posts. I've done that. If enough people do.... 
> 
I would like to put this thread to rest.  I have contacted the OP
privately, explaining my position and why I sent the response I did.  I
did not mean to start a flame war - the lack of information relevant to
this mailing list and it's source prompted me to send perhaps a stronger
response than was necessary.  My comment about Nabble was, as a few of
you have pointed out, neither informative or helpful, so my apologies to
the list for that part of my post.

My real gripe with the original post stands:  The OP didn't preface the
post as being Off Topic, and didn't let us know that they had in fact
already done a fair bit of research into the issue they were
experiencing or what that research entailed.  That was information that
should have been included, and would have resulted in all of our being
well and prepared to help in any way we could; after all, we've all been
there many times ourselves.

To the list admins, I certainly didn't mean for my post to be
interpreted as my trying to muscle in on making list policy.

Thank you,
Rubin

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