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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Dave <sn...@gmail.com> on 2007/09/04 19:27:03 UTC
Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Big +1 on JSPWiki. I've been a fan for years of the software and the
community that drives it forward. There may be some issues with
getting the JSPWiki web application up and running on Apache
infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think
we can overcome those.
- Dave
On 8/30/07, Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com> wrote:
> > This is interesting. Have you seen, that we are currently voting on
> > the
> > Jackrabbit list to enter Sling into the incubator. You may find more
> > information at [1].
>
> Yes, actually I did. I think it is something we can consider
> later. JSPWiki needs to do quite a lot of things internally than
> just render content, so it is yet unclear how that could possibly be
> applied and whether it would fit our needs. I mean - at the moment
> we don't really need Sling for anything, because we already have
> everything in place, and we don't have any pressing needs to change it.
>
> But I'm certainly keeping my eyes open on that one. :-)
>
> /Janne
>
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Re: Joining the PMC (was: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki)
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
On 9/8/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Dave Johnson wrote:
>
> > Yes! I'd like to sign up for the Incubator project and Infra to help out.
>
> OK, I want to be clear, and then I'll get the process done. You are asking
> to join the Incubator PMC, and volunteering as a Mentor for JSPWiki?
>
> The infrastructure side of your offer is best addressed on that group's
> lists, as I am sure you realize. :-)
Yes. I would like to join the Incubator PMC. What do I need to do to
make that happen?
- Dave
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Joining the PMC (was: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Dave Johnson wrote:
> Yes! I'd like to sign up for the Incubator project and Infra to help out.
OK, I want to be clear, and then I'll get the process done. You are asking
to join the Incubator PMC, and volunteering as a Mentor for JSPWiki?
The infrastructure side of your offer is best addressed on that group's
lists, as I am sure you realize. :-)
--- Noel
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
On 9/5/07, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Dave Johnson wrote:
>
> > Big +1 on JSPWiki.
>
> > There may be some issues with getting [JSPWiki] up and running on Apache
> > infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think
> > we can overcome those.
>
> Volunteering? ;-)
Yes! I'd like to sign up for the Incubator project and Infra to help out.
- Dave
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
>> Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our
>> public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-)
>
>
> Dumb? So we must already be dumb, then, to be running other things
> like JVMs
> that don't come from the ASF, rather than our own.
Nonono, what I meant was that it would be odd to have www.jspwiki.org
running on Confluence or Moin Moin - it would look like we are not
eating our own dog food.
> It's not at all clear from that list that those are wikis and not just
> regular web sites. Does JSPWiki have an auto-export capability, like
> Confluence does, so that pages can be offloaded to static
> resources, instead
> of hitting the wiki all the time?
All of the resources listed are wikis (except, obviously, the mailing
list. Even the blog is a wiki, though it is not open to the general
public to edit). There is an external tool which allows a full or
subset of files to be turned into static HTML resources, if
necessary, but we do not currently provide one ourselves.
> You'll need a dedicated team of people, not just one person, that is
> committed to doing this on an ongoing basis.
Very true. Being a "hobby project" has allowed us to be somewhat
lenient towards things like web site availability (though having said
that, we have two maintainers in two timezones, and in general our
downtimes happen only when we upgrade something). This is one of the
questions highlighted in our proposal, and help from the ASF is
needed towards resolving these - I can't tell you how to run your
services :-)
/Janne
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
> Is there a roadmap for when JSPWiki will have all of the features and
> functionality of both Confluence and MoinMoin, including the
> Confluence
> macros we use, and the migration tools so that we can move all the
> existing
> data from these existing wikis to JSPWiki? Without that, I don't
> see us
> replacing our existing wikis with JSPWiki, and I'm absolutely not
> in favour
> of adding a third wiki flavour to our infrastructure.
>
> Is this the real reason JSPWiki wants to come to the ASF? To be the
> wiki
> that the ASF runs on?
Well, frankly, I don't really care what other projects are
running :-). It's up to each project to choose the kind of
infrastructure they choose. And I certainly see the point of not
complicating the infrastructure.
But, over time, migration tools will certainly emerge. We have so
far not really been working on such things, as it hasn't really been
a priority. Whether then the decision is made by ASF to adopt
JSPWiki as an official tool is pretty much out of my hands. I would
certainly like to see it happen, and can offer help, but I'm not
exactly holding my breath. It's certainly not a driving factor in
this whole transition. The way I see it, it's a decision that ASF
will do based on ASF's own needs :-)
/Janne
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
On 9/6/07, Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to
> > run JSPWiki?
> > How about Tomcat+Harmony?
>
> Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our
> public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-)
Dumb? So we must already be dumb, then, to be running other things like JVMs
that don't come from the ASF, rather than our own.
Is there a roadmap for when JSPWiki will have all of the features and
functionality of both Confluence and MoinMoin, including the Confluence
macros we use, and the migration tools so that we can move all the existing
data from these existing wikis to JSPWiki? Without that, I don't see us
replacing our existing wikis with JSPWiki, and I'm absolutely not in favour
of adding a third wiki flavour to our infrastructure.
Is this the real reason JSPWiki wants to come to the ASF? To be the wiki
that the ASF runs on?
We also have separate documentation and sandbox wikis.
>
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheJSPWikiProposal#section-
> ApacheJSPWikiProposal-RequiredResources
It's not at all clear from that list that those are wikis and not just
regular web sites. Does JSPWiki have an auto-export capability, like
Confluence does, so that pages can be offloaded to static resources, instead
of hitting the wiki all the time?
A tomcat instance is fine (preferably non-shared; JSPWiki cannot be
> deployed simply from a war file right now), and I can offer to run
> some of the wiki sites (e.g. the sandbox, which is wiped out
> regularly) myself.
You'll need a dedicated team of people, not just one person, that is
committed to doing this on an ongoing basis.
--
Martin Cooper
/Janne
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Alexey Petrenko <al...@gmail.com>.
Yep, I got your point.
I've personally thought about possibility for users to run JSPWiki on
full Apache stack.
This could be nice out-of-the-box bundle: JSPWiki+Tomcat+Harmony
SY, Alexey
2007/9/6, Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>:
> > What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to
> > run JSPWiki?
> > How about Tomcat+Harmony?
>
> Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our
> public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-)
>
> We also have separate documentation and sandbox wikis.
>
> http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheJSPWikiProposal#section-
> ApacheJSPWikiProposal-RequiredResources
>
> A tomcat instance is fine (preferably non-shared; JSPWiki cannot be
> deployed simply from a war file right now), and I can offer to run
> some of the wiki sites (e.g. the sandbox, which is wiped out
> regularly) myself.
>
> /Janne
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Janne Jalkanen <Ja...@ecyrd.com>.
> What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to
> run JSPWiki?
> How about Tomcat+Harmony?
Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our
public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-)
We also have separate documentation and sandbox wikis.
http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheJSPWikiProposal#section-
ApacheJSPWikiProposal-RequiredResources
A tomcat instance is fine (preferably non-shared; JSPWiki cannot be
deployed simply from a war file right now), and I can offer to run
some of the wiki sites (e.g. the sandbox, which is wiped out
regularly) myself.
/Janne
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Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by Alexey Petrenko <al...@gmail.com>.
2007/9/4, Dave <sn...@gmail.com>:
> Big +1 on JSPWiki. I've been a fan for years of the software and the
> community that drives it forward. There may be some issues with
> getting the JSPWiki web application up and running on Apache
> infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort
What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to
run JSPWiki?
How about Tomcat+Harmony?
Have not review JSPWiki requirements yet actually.
SY, Alexey
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RE: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Dave Johnson wrote:
> Big +1 on JSPWiki.
> There may be some issues with getting [JSPWiki] up and running on Apache
> infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think
> we can overcome those.
Volunteering? ;-)
--- Noel
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