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Posted to women@apache.org by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> on 2005/08/12 17:35:55 UTC
[VOTE] objective of this list
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For clarity's sake, I pose the following as the definitive
purpose of this list. It is my interpretation of what was
originally requested (which I may have gotten totally
wrong ;-) and what I envision it to be.
The women@apache.org list exists in order to:
1. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
to getting involved.
2. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF can
become aware of those discussions and issues.
3. Provide a forum in which which women can feel comfortable
discussing issues relating to Apache that they feel
particularly apply to their gender.
4. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
involved at the ASF.
5. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
as may seem appropriate as time passes.
to its constituen
[ ] Yes, that's what this list is about.
[ ] Don't care; all the potential objectives have seemed appropriate.
[ ] No, that's not why this list exists (and I'll discuss my
opinion in a separate thread).
- --
#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" <fi...@red-bean.com>.
On Aug 12, 2005, at 11:42 AM, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>> On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>>
>>> For clarity's sake, I pose the following as the definitive
>>> purpose of this list. It is my interpretation of what was
>>> originally requested (which I may have gotten totally
>>> wrong ;-) and what I envision it to be.
>>>
>> Ken,
>> How about you (and myself, and a few other members) just back off
>> and give Jean, Danese, and Susan a chance to lead this
>> discussion? This is the eleventh mail I've seen from you this
>> morning, and from all appearances, it looks like you've shown up
>> and decided to just take over. How about we dial it back a notch
>> and see what happens?
>>
>
> Sometimes it's helpful when somebody who hasn't been in the middle
> of the heated debate posts a summary of their read of the
> situation. If I'm not mistaken, this is the first we heard from Ken
> this week on this list and I thought his list of purposes captured
> nicely the salient points, yet still left elbow room for future
> maneuvering. I especially liked his point #5 because it can be
> difficult to predict the way in which participation in the women's
> list might grow. We don't want to lock ourselves into a corner.
Fair enough. I'll take my own advice and dial myself back a notch. :-)
-Fitz
Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>
>> For clarity's sake, I pose the following as the definitive
>> purpose of this list. It is my interpretation of what was
>> originally requested (which I may have gotten totally
>> wrong ;-) and what I envision it to be.
>
>
> Ken,
>
> How about you (and myself, and a few other members) just back off and
> give Jean, Danese, and Susan a chance to lead this discussion? This is
> the eleventh mail I've seen from you this morning, and from all
> appearances, it looks like you've shown up and decided to just take
> over. How about we dial it back a notch and see what happens?
Sometimes it's helpful when somebody who hasn't been in the middle of
the heated debate posts a summary of their read of the situation. If I'm
not mistaken, this is the first we heard from Ken this week on this list
and I thought his list of purposes captured nicely the salient points,
yet still left elbow room for future maneuvering. I especially liked his
point #5 because it can be difficult to predict the way in which
participation in the women's list might grow. We don't want to lock
ourselves into a corner.
-jean
Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by susan wu <su...@arctic.org>.
> Ken,
>
> How about you (and myself, and a few other members) just back off and give
> Jean, Danese, and Susan a chance to lead this discussion? This is the
> eleventh mail I've seen from you this morning, and from all appearances, it
> looks like you've shown up and decided to just take over. How about we dial
> it back a notch and see what happens?
>
Agreed. Perhaps you men should take a step back and let us women discuss
what is best for us. Perhaps we can use this opportunity to learn how to
make the community more palatable for women. Perhaps we can use this
opportunity to learn how to speak with women more productively.
Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
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Brian W. Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> How about you (and myself, and a few other members) just back off and
> give Jean, Danese, and Susan a chance to lead this discussion? This is
> the eleventh mail I've seen from you this morning, and from all
> appearances, it looks like you've shown up and decided to just take
> over. How about we dial it back a notch and see what happens?
I've been travelling a lot and responding to mail as I manage to
catch up.
But I'll belt up now. Bye-bye.
- --
#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" <fi...@red-bean.com>.
On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:35 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> For clarity's sake, I pose the following as the definitive
> purpose of this list. It is my interpretation of what was
> originally requested (which I may have gotten totally
> wrong ;-) and what I envision it to be.
Ken,
How about you (and myself, and a few other members) just back off and
give Jean, Danese, and Susan a chance to lead this discussion? This
is the eleventh mail I've seen from you this morning, and from all
appearances, it looks like you've shown up and decided to just take
over. How about we dial it back a notch and see what happens?
-Fitz
Re: [VOTE] objective of this list
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
[X] Yes, that's what this list is about.
[ ] Don't care; all the potential objectives have seemed appropriate.
[ ] No, that's not why this list exists (and I'll discuss my
opinion in a separate thread).
thanks for adding clarity, Ken,
-jean
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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> For clarity's sake, I pose the following as the definitive
> purpose of this list. It is my interpretation of what was
> originally requested (which I may have gotten totally
> wrong ;-) and what I envision it to be.
>
> The women@apache.org list exists in order to:
>
> 1. Provide a place where women who are involved at the ASF, and
> women who are not (but perhaps would like to be), can share
> experiences and discuss both obstacles and successful approaches
> to getting involved.
> 2. Provide a place where other interested parties at the ASF can
> become aware of those discussions and issues.
> 3. Provide a forum in which which women can feel comfortable
> discussing issues relating to Apache that they feel
> particularly apply to their gender.
> 4. Provide a forum in which women can be supported and encouraged
> by each other (and others) in endeavours to become or continue
> involved at the ASF.
> 5. Adapt to such currently-unanticipated future goals or objectives
> as may seem appropriate as time passes.
> to its constituen
>
> [ ] Yes, that's what this list is about.
> [ ] Don't care; all the potential objectives have seemed appropriate.
> [ ] No, that's not why this list exists (and I'll discuss my
> opinion in a separate thread).
> - --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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