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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> on 2012/05/03 23:52:21 UTC
Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/5/3 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>:
> > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:29 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> >> 2012/5/3 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> >> > On 03/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> One thing we don't have any more is that registration dialog from
> >> >> OpenOffice.org. Does anyone recall what that used to do?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If I recall correctly, in different periods it was used for a user survey
> >> > (and this would be a meaningful suggestion for the future maybe), for
> >> > registering accounts at Sun and for registering accounts at Oracle.
> >> >
> >> > You can get an idea of the survey at
> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Andrea.
> >>
> >> It was also used to register the user "with him/herself": The
> >> registration process helped the user to fill the fields under Tools →
> >> Options → OpenOffice.org → User data. Now, for most new users that
> >> info will remain empty. While not a problem by itself, this means for
> >> example that documents will always open on the first page and not on
> >> the last edited point, because the user data do not match the document
> >> author.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >
> > Hi Ricardo
> >
> > That is a very good point IMO. I think it's fair to look at that as the
> > loss of an, optional, feature - this step of entering user information.
> >
> > I'm tempted to ask you to use the issue tracker, entering the
> > description and marking the issue as Request for Enhancement.
> >
> > Not that we should have the on-line registration, but rather to add a
> > (strong?) prompt during installation, with the intent to have the user
> > enter that information.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
>
> Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
> a "first run wizard" or something like that. It could be a simple
> document that opens on first run with a "thanks for using this
> program" message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
> customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
> today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
> something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
>
> Regards
Howdy Ricardo
Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).
I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
start with.
Catch you later,
//drew
Re: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/5/5 RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>:
>>> Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
>>> a "first run wizard" or something like that. It could be a simple
>>> document that opens on first run with a "thanks for using this
>>> program" message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
>>> customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
>>> today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
>>> something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>
>> Howdy Ricardo
>>
>> Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).
>>
>> I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
>> to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
>> page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
>> start with.
>>
>> Catch you later,
>>
>> //drew
>
> I did a simple Draw graphic to try to explain the main idea
>
> http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/FirstRun.odg
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
I filled a report for this:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119326
Regards
Ricardo
Re: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/5/3 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>:
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2012/5/3 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>:
>> > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:29 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>> >> 2012/5/3 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
>> >> > On 03/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One thing we don't have any more is that registration dialog from
>> >> >> OpenOffice.org. Does anyone recall what that used to do?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If I recall correctly, in different periods it was used for a user survey
>> >> > (and this would be a meaningful suggestion for the future maybe), for
>> >> > registering accounts at Sun and for registering accounts at Oracle.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can get an idea of the survey at
>> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Andrea.
>> >>
>> >> It was also used to register the user "with him/herself": The
>> >> registration process helped the user to fill the fields under Tools →
>> >> Options → OpenOffice.org → User data. Now, for most new users that
>> >> info will remain empty. While not a problem by itself, this means for
>> >> example that documents will always open on the first page and not on
>> >> the last edited point, because the user data do not match the document
>> >> author.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >
>> > Hi Ricardo
>> >
>> > That is a very good point IMO. I think it's fair to look at that as the
>> > loss of an, optional, feature - this step of entering user information.
>> >
>> > I'm tempted to ask you to use the issue tracker, entering the
>> > description and marking the issue as Request for Enhancement.
>> >
>> > Not that we should have the on-line registration, but rather to add a
>> > (strong?) prompt during installation, with the intent to have the user
>> > enter that information.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
>> a "first run wizard" or something like that. It could be a simple
>> document that opens on first run with a "thanks for using this
>> program" message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
>> customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
>> today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
>> something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
>>
>> Regards
>
> Howdy Ricardo
>
> Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).
>
> I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
> to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
> page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
> start with.
>
> Catch you later,
>
> //drew
I did a simple Draw graphic to try to explain the main idea
http://people.apache.org/~rgb-es/FirstRun.odg
Regards
Ricardo
Re: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Nancy K <na...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
Since you mention meta data, is there any organic SEO research going
on at this time? If so, I would suggest providing any information
compiled from this new form/page, old openoffice.org audience
information plus any new information gained from Google (and other)
analytics in one wiki. Possibly a future/current SEO page? Knowing
how the user found OpenOffice would help in organic SEO keyword
research. This could help us design new landing pages. Keyword
research would also reveal the words to be placed strategically in
articles, blogs and the 'alt' section/title/heading tags of the html
code.
>
We do currently have Google Analytics enabled for our key entry point
and destination pages, as well as tracking downloads. But this has
only been true for a few weeks now, so we're still getting a baseline
of activity. The only additional optimization I've made so far is to
add META keywords to the main home page.
We're also tracking "conversion rates", where a conversion is defined
as a download. I'm hoping this will point out weaknesses on the
website. For example, if we look at conversion rate by language, and
see that one language is much lower than another, it might mean we
need to update or enhance the native language page for that language.
> Nancy
>
> Nancy Web Design
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>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:52 PM
> Subject: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
>
> On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>> 2012/5/3 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>:
>> > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:29 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
>> >> 2012/5/3 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
>> >> > On 03/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> One thing we don't have any more is that registration dialog from
>> >> >> OpenOffice.org. Does anyone recall what that used to do?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If I recall correctly, in different periods it was used for a user survey
>> >> > (and this would be a meaningful suggestion for the future maybe), for
>> >> > registering accounts at Sun and for registering accounts at Oracle.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can get an idea of the survey at
>> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Andrea.
>> >>
>> >> It was also used to register the user "with him/herself": The
>> >> registration process helped the user to fill the fields under Tools →
>> >> Options → OpenOffice.org → User data. Now, for most new users that
>> >> info will remain empty. While not a problem by itself, this means for
>> >> example that documents will always open on the first page and not on
>> >> the last edited point, because the user data do not match the document
>> >> author.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >
>> > Hi Ricardo
>> >
>> > That is a very good point IMO. I think it's fair to look at that as the
>> > loss of an, optional, feature - this step of entering user information.
>> >
>> > I'm tempted to ask you to use the issue tracker, entering the
>> > description and marking the issue as Request for Enhancement.
>> >
>> > Not that we should have the on-line registration, but rather to add a
>> > (strong?) prompt during installation, with the intent to have the user
>> > enter that information.
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
>> a "first run wizard" or something like that. It could be a simple
>> document that opens on first run with a "thanks for using this
>> program" message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
>> customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
>> today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
>> something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
>>
>> Regards
>
> Howdy Ricardo
>
> Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).
>
> I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
> to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
> page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
> start with.
>
> Catch you later,
>
> //drew
Re: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
Posted by Nancy K <na...@yahoo.com>.
These are wonderful ideas! If the person that installs OpenOffice gets a thank you notice PLUS links to help customize their experience - i.e. template links, etc. Everyone likes to personalize - and it also leaves a good feeling when you get an unexpected bonus.
I have an idea for a thank you design or maybe an email design - tell me what you think:
* An international envelope design -
* http://www.123rf.com/photo_4088994_airmail-letter-with-uk-postage-meter-stamp.html
* http://www.123rf.com/photo_9237063_blank-air-mail-letter-from-ivory-coast-with-football-world-cup-stamp-on-it-cancelled-in-agboville.html (using the wings and OpenOffice in place of the plane and par avion )
* The Apache OpenOffice logo on a stamp outline (similar to this but without any particular country)http://www.123rf.com/photo_12662325_photo-postage-stamp-on-a-black-background.html
* Javascript or php enabled entries so that the user WANTS to fill out the form - I very much like this example - scroll down halfway and look at this comment box that lets the user fill out the name, etc. This is a lot more talent than I have, but the general idea http://www.livingdesign.info/2012/04/30/incept-by-alex-teuscher/#respond
Since you mention meta data, is there any organic SEO research going on at this time? If so, I would suggest providing any information compiled from this new form/page, old openoffice.org audience information plus any new information gained from Google (and other) analytics in one wiki. Possibly a future/current SEO page? Knowing how the user found OpenOffice would help in organic SEO keyword research. This could help us design new landing pages. Keyword research would also reveal the words to be placed strategically in articles, blogs and the 'alt' section/title/heading tags of the html code.
Nancy
Nancy Web Design
Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com.
Video courses on SEO, CMS,
Design and Software Courses
________________________________
From: drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Feature idea - prompt users to fill user information meta data
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 23:13 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> 2012/5/3 drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>:
> > On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 22:29 +0200, RGB ES wrote:
> >> 2012/5/3 Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>:
> >> > On 03/05/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> One thing we don't have any more is that registration dialog from
> >> >> OpenOffice.org. Does anyone recall what that used to do?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If I recall correctly, in different periods it was used for a user survey
> >> > (and this would be a meaningful suggestion for the future maybe), for
> >> > registering accounts at Sun and for registering accounts at Oracle.
> >> >
> >> > You can get an idea of the survey at
> >> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Renaissance:Phase_1:OOoUser_Survey
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Andrea.
> >>
> >> It was also used to register the user "with him/herself": The
> >> registration process helped the user to fill the fields under Tools →
> >> Options → OpenOffice.org → User data. Now, for most new users that
> >> info will remain empty. While not a problem by itself, this means for
> >> example that documents will always open on the first page and not on
> >> the last edited point, because the user data do not match the document
> >> author.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >
> > Hi Ricardo
> >
> > That is a very good point IMO. I think it's fair to look at that as the
> > loss of an, optional, feature - this step of entering user information.
> >
> > I'm tempted to ask you to use the issue tracker, entering the
> > description and marking the issue as Request for Enhancement.
> >
> > Not that we should have the on-line registration, but rather to add a
> > (strong?) prompt during installation, with the intent to have the user
> > enter that information.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
>
> Instead of asking for this on install time, I think we need to define
> a "first run wizard" or something like that. It could be a simple
> document that opens on first run with a "thanks for using this
> program" message and a couple of buttons to perform some basic
> customizations, like adding the user info. I'm too short of sleep
> today to build a good feature request, but I'll try to think on
> something during the weekend. Ideas are welcomed ;)
>
> Regards
Howdy Ricardo
Wonderful - I changed the subject (as you see).
I was thinking also, prompted from another email just now that pointed
to a 3.4.1 feature request page, that there is a 4.0 feature request
page on the cwiki also.. per change that is an even better vector to
start with.
Catch you later,
//drew