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Posted to dev@royale.apache.org by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> on 2017/11/02 21:44:16 UTC
Re: Apache Royale static web site
FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks and
Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
royale.codeoscopic.com. That'll keep us for burning more energy trying to
make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done, including
creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we liked
from royale.codeoscopic.
Thoughts?
-Alex
On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>Hi Alex,
>
>notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to get the
>site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
>As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site. We
>are
>know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current talk
>with
>Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
>preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the rest
>of the site in order to get it final.
>
>Let's see what happen.
>
>Thanks
>
>Carlos
>
>
>
>2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
>
>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the
>>current
>> state of
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co
>>deoscopic.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
>>5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=0899xFFPDf8
>>NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other
>>adjustments to
>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an Apache
>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
>>things.
>>
>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
>>this
>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos would
>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and build a
>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks similar"
>> but with conforming content.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>> [1]
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
>>e.org%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510
>>8d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364495717568822
>>95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash
>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com on behalf of bigosmallm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree. We might want to avoid that.
>> >
>> >Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com site has been done
>>already.
>> >
>> >Can we push for this?
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >Om
>> >
>> >On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
>><ca...@codeoscopic.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Om,
>> >>
>> >> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do this.
>> >>
>> >> How we can put the static generated site live under royale.apache.org
>> >> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very important)
>> >> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
>> >>
>> >> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website code
>>to
>> >>some
>> >> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >> > I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for now.
>> >> > As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
>>just
>> >> > Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com site with
>> the
>> >> new
>> >> > Royale based website.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
>>like
>> >>the
>> >> > wp.com. So, worrying about legal implications of maintaining the
>> same
>> >> > look
>> >> > and feel is premature.
>> >> >
>> >> > Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Om
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
>> >><ca...@apache.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Thanks Yishay for your words
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yi...@hotmail.com>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
>>might
>> >> not
>> >> > be
>> >> > > > the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are
>>some
>> >> > points
>> >> > > > that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me
>> >>think we
>> >> > > > should try to move our site to Royale.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in
>>that
>> >> > overhead
>> >> > > > can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a
>> >>classic
>> >> > > static
>> >> > > > site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
>> >>perform
>> >> > well
>> >> > > > enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in
>>that
>> >> > > regard.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more
>> >> visible
>> >> > > > our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d
>> >>much
>> >> > > rather
>> >> > > > have them learn Royale than WP.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I
>>don't
>> >> see
>> >> > > many people available to make this effort.
>> >> > > In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
>>good
>> >>to
>> >> > > production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
>>should
>> >> put
>> >> > > online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
>> >> > > In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other things
>> >>more
>> >> > > needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
>>styling
>> >> > express,
>> >> > > and so on...
>> >> > > But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
>>our
>> >> other
>> >> > > html plain code, that's right.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool
>> >>for
>> >> > > > classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
>>for
>> >>our
>> >> > own
>> >> > > > site.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just
>> >>for
>> >> the
>> >> > > > heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
>>couldn’t
>> >> > > > understand that from the thread so far.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
>>right.
>> >> Nobody
>> >> > > could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
>> >> > > As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
>>without
>> >> > having
>> >> > > to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is
>>the
>> >> > normal
>> >> > > use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks for your considerations.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Carlos
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Thanks, and great work so far.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
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Re: Apache Royale static web site
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Hi Alex, I'll ask in the private thread about this and see what Greg and
others has to said and then come back
let me try this and we could talk about it
2017-11-03 2:55 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> Hi Carlos,
>
> I'm not quite sure what you meant here. I think without a deadline there
> is no chance they will approve. Is the deadline what you meant by "other
> option"?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/2/17, 4:36 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >since nobody is responding to the latest plan of put static html site on
> >our repo, I think this could be what we want and could get it live even
> >without a concrete deadline so we can go with other solution with more or
> >less time. Let me try to ask in the current thread with trademarks if it's
> >ok to do this although we didn't get any response on legal, if they put
> >some problems we could see that other option. do you agree?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >2017-11-02 22:49 GMT+01:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> I would ask for 90 days to give us a bit more time, but I think this is
> >>a
> >> good idea.
> >>
> >> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks
> >> and
> >> > Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
> >> > royale.codeoscopic.com
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.c
> >>odeoscopic.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
> 909c%7Cfa
> >>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636452626010525995&
> sdata=gB4SXym
> >>lfdv2HPJX%2Fa5KwkLKXYH%2F98Iyh6CgbqVwHUI%3D&reserved=0>. That'll keep
> >> us for burning more energy trying to
> >> > make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done,
> >>including
> >> > creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we
> >>liked
> >> > from royale.codeoscopic.
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts?
> >> > -Alex
> >> >
> >> > On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com <mailto:
> >> carlos.rovira@gmail.com> on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> >> > <carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf
> of
> >> carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hi Alex,
> >> >>
> >> >> notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to
> >>get
> >> the
> >> >> site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
> >> >> As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site.
> >>We
> >> >> are
> >> >> know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current
> >>talk
> >> >> with
> >> >> Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
> >> >> preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish
> the
> >> rest
> >> >> of the site in order to get it final.
> >> >>
> >> >> Let's see what happen.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Carlos
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the
> >> >>> current
> >> >>> state of
> >> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fna01.sa
> >>felinks&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
> 909c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34
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> >>WBESOLTjLF0Bck%2Fljj%2FSwOURKJYE%3D&reserved=0.
> >> protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co>
> >> >>> deoscopic.com
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fdeoscopi
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> >> 7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
> >> >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&
> >> sdata=0899xFFPDf8
> >> >>> NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some
> other
> >> >>> adjustments to
> >> >>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an
> >>Apache
> >> >>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
> >> >>> things.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
> >> >>> this
> >> >>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
> >> >>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos
> >> would
> >> >>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and
> >>build a
> >> >>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks
> >>similar"
> >> >>> but with conforming content.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My 2 cents,
> >> >>> -Alex
> >> >>>
> >> >>> [1]
> >> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> >> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> https%3A%2F%2Fna01.sa
> >>felinks&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
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> >>WBESOLTjLF0Bck%2Fljj%2FSwOURKJYE%3D&reserved=0.
> >> protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach>
> >> >>> e.org
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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> >> 7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510
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> >> 7C6364495717568822
> >> >>> 95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com <mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com
> >
> >> on behalf of OmPrakash
> >> >>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf
> >>of
> >> bigosmallm@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I agree. We might want to avoid that.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwp.com%2
> >>F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
> 909c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794
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> >>ISuIS0nVaAYzRWiU0nDQ%3D&reserved=0> site
> >> has been done
> >> >>> already.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Can we push for this?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>> Om
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
> >> >>> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
> >><ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi Om,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do
> >>this.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> How we can put the static generated site live under
> >> royale.apache.org
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.a
> >>pache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
> 909c%7Cfa7b1b5
> >>a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636452626010525995&
> sdata=kktPhISM8UZE
> >>lkXdY570mwFULNOaprlUs%2BObd1v%2BdQ4%3D&reserved=0>
> >> >>>>> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very
> >>important)
> >> >>>>> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website
> >>code
> >> >>> to
> >> >>>>> some
> >> >>>>> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Carlos
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
> >><bigosmallm@gmail.com
> >> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for
> >>now.
> >> >>>>>> As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
> >> >>> just
> >> >>>>>> Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com <
> >>
> >>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwp.com%2F
> >>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
> 909c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794a
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> >>sJ08ezFkT9bD5BYnlUM%3D&reserved=0> site with
> >> >>> the
> >> >>>>> new
> >> >>>>>> Royale based website.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
> >> >>> like
> >> >>>>> the
> >> >>>>>> wp.com
> >><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwp.com%2
> >>F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a
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> >>OsJ08ezFkT9bD5BYnlUM%3D&reserved=0>. So, worrying about legal
> >>implications of
> >> maintaining the
> >> >>> same
> >> >>>>>> look
> >> >>>>>> and feel is premature.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>>> Om
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
> >> >>>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks Yishay for your words
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yishayjobs@hotmail.com
> >> <ma...@hotmail.com>>:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
> >> >>> might
> >> >>>>> not
> >> >>>>>> be
> >> >>>>>>>> the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are
> >> >>> some
> >> >>>>>> points
> >> >>>>>>>> that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me
> >> >>>>> think we
> >> >>>>>>>> should try to move our site to Royale.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>>>> overhead
> >> >>>>>>>> can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a
> >> >>>>> classic
> >> >>>>>>> static
> >> >>>>>>>> site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
> >> >>>>> perform
> >> >>>>>> well
> >> >>>>>>>> enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in
> >> >>> that
> >> >>>>>>> regard.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more
> >> >>>>> visible
> >> >>>>>>>> our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d
> >> >>>>> much
> >> >>>>>>> rather
> >> >>>>>>>> have them learn Royale than WP.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I
> >> >>> don't
> >> >>>>> see
> >> >>>>>>> many people available to make this effort.
> >> >>>>>>> In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
> >> >>> good
> >> >>>>> to
> >> >>>>>>> production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
> >> >>> should
> >> >>>>> put
> >> >>>>>>> online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
> >> >>>>>>> In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other
> >>things
> >> >>>>> more
> >> >>>>>>> needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
> >> >>> styling
> >> >>>>>> express,
> >> >>>>>>> and so on...
> >> >>>>>>> But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
> >> >>> our
> >> >>>>> other
> >> >>>>>>> html plain code, that's right.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool
> >> >>>>> for
> >> >>>>>>>> classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
> >> >>> for
> >> >>>>> our
> >> >>>>>> own
> >> >>>>>>>> site.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just
> >> >>>>> for
> >> >>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>> heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
> >> >>> couldn’t
> >> >>>>>>>> understand that from the thread so far.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
> >> >>> right.
> >> >>>>> Nobody
> >> >>>>>>> could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
> >> >>>>>>> As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
> >> >>> without
> >> >>>>>> having
> >> >>>>>>> to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is
> >> >>> the
> >> >>>>>> normal
> >> >>>>>>> use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks for your considerations.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Carlos
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks, and great work so far.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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Re: Apache Royale static web site
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>.
Hi Carlos,
I'm not quite sure what you meant here. I think without a deadline there
is no chance they will approve. Is the deadline what you meant by "other
option"?
-Alex
On 11/2/17, 4:36 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>since nobody is responding to the latest plan of put static html site on
>our repo, I think this could be what we want and could get it live even
>without a concrete deadline so we can go with other solution with more or
>less time. Let me try to ask in the current thread with trademarks if it's
>ok to do this although we didn't get any response on legal, if they put
>some problems we could see that other option. do you agree?
>
>Thanks
>
>2017-11-02 22:49 GMT+01:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I would ask for 90 days to give us a bit more time, but I think this is
>>a
>> good idea.
>>
>> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks
>> and
>> > Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
>> > royale.codeoscopic.com
>><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.c
>>odeoscopic.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a909c%7Cfa
>>7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636452626010525995&sdata=gB4SXym
>>lfdv2HPJX%2Fa5KwkLKXYH%2F98Iyh6CgbqVwHUI%3D&reserved=0>. That'll keep
>> us for burning more energy trying to
>> > make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done,
>>including
>> > creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we
>>liked
>> > from royale.codeoscopic.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> > On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com <mailto:
>> carlos.rovira@gmail.com> on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>> > <carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of
>> carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Alex,
>> >>
>> >> notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to
>>get
>> the
>> >> site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
>> >> As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site.
>>We
>> >> are
>> >> know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current
>>talk
>> >> with
>> >> Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
>> >> preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the
>> rest
>> >> of the site in order to get it final.
>> >>
>> >> Let's see what happen.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Carlos
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
>> >>
>> >>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the
>> >>> current
>> >>> state of
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>> 7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
>> >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&
>> sdata=0899xFFPDf8
>> >>> NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other
>> >>> adjustments to
>> >>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an
>>Apache
>> >>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
>> >>> things.
>> >>>
>> >>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
>> >>> this
>> >>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
>> >>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos
>> would
>> >>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and
>>build a
>> >>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks
>>similar"
>> >>> but with conforming content.
>> >>>
>> >>> My 2 cents,
>> >>> -Alex
>> >>>
>> >>> [1]
>> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach
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>> >>> e.org
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>>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a909c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794a
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>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>> on behalf of OmPrakash
>> >>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf
>>of
>> bigosmallm@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I agree. We might want to avoid that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com
>><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.com%2
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>> has been done
>> >>> already.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Can we push for this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> Om
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
>> >>> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com
>><ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Om,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do
>>this.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> How we can put the static generated site live under
>> royale.apache.org
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>>pache.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a909c%7Cfa7b1b5
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>> >>>>> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very
>>important)
>> >>>>> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website
>>code
>> >>> to
>> >>>>> some
>> >>>>> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Carlos
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala
>><bigosmallm@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for
>>now.
>> >>>>>> As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
>> >>> just
>> >>>>>> Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com <
>>
>>https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwp.com%2F
>>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbab2e5f3273d44537f9f08d5224a909c%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794a
>>ed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636452626010536004&sdata=brKHppK76sogysVk09rLScMO
>>sJ08ezFkT9bD5BYnlUM%3D&reserved=0> site with
>> >>> the
>> >>>>> new
>> >>>>>> Royale based website.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
>> >>> like
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>> wp.com
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>>OsJ08ezFkT9bD5BYnlUM%3D&reserved=0>. So, worrying about legal
>>implications of
>> maintaining the
>> >>> same
>> >>>>>> look
>> >>>>>> and feel is premature.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Om
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
>> >>>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks Yishay for your words
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yishayjobs@hotmail.com
>> <ma...@hotmail.com>>:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
>> >>> might
>> >>>>> not
>> >>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>> the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are
>> >>> some
>> >>>>>> points
>> >>>>>>>> that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me
>> >>>>> think we
>> >>>>>>>> should try to move our site to Royale.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in
>> >>> that
>> >>>>>> overhead
>> >>>>>>>> can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a
>> >>>>> classic
>> >>>>>>> static
>> >>>>>>>> site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
>> >>>>> perform
>> >>>>>> well
>> >>>>>>>> enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in
>> >>> that
>> >>>>>>> regard.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more
>> >>>>> visible
>> >>>>>>>> our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d
>> >>>>> much
>> >>>>>>> rather
>> >>>>>>>> have them learn Royale than WP.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I
>> >>> don't
>> >>>>> see
>> >>>>>>> many people available to make this effort.
>> >>>>>>> In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
>> >>> good
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
>> >>> should
>> >>>>> put
>> >>>>>>> online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
>> >>>>>>> In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other
>>things
>> >>>>> more
>> >>>>>>> needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
>> >>> styling
>> >>>>>> express,
>> >>>>>>> and so on...
>> >>>>>>> But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
>> >>> our
>> >>>>> other
>> >>>>>>> html plain code, that's right.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
>> >>> for
>> >>>>> our
>> >>>>>> own
>> >>>>>>>> site.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
>> >>> couldn’t
>> >>>>>>>> understand that from the thread so far.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
>> >>> right.
>> >>>>> Nobody
>> >>>>>>> could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
>> >>>>>>> As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
>> >>> without
>> >>>>>> having
>> >>>>>>> to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>> normal
>> >>>>>>> use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your considerations.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Carlos
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, and great work so far.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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Re: Apache Royale static web site
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
Hi,
since nobody is responding to the latest plan of put static html site on
our repo, I think this could be what we want and could get it live even
without a concrete deadline so we can go with other solution with more or
less time. Let me try to ask in the current thread with trademarks if it's
ok to do this although we didn't get any response on legal, if they put
some problems we could see that other option. do you agree?
Thanks
2017-11-02 22:49 GMT+01:00 Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>:
> I would ask for 90 days to give us a bit more time, but I think this is a
> good idea.
>
> > On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID>
> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks
> and
> > Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
> > royale.codeoscopic.com <http://royale.codeoscopic.com/>. That'll keep
> us for burning more energy trying to
> > make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done, including
> > creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we liked
> > from royale.codeoscopic.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com <mailto:
> carlos.rovira@gmail.com> on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> > <carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of
> carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to get
> the
> >> site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
> >> As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site. We
> >> are
> >> know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current talk
> >> with
> >> Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
> >> preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the
> rest
> >> of the site in order to get it final.
> >>
> >> Let's see what happen.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Carlos
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
> >>
> >>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the
> >>> current
> >>> state of
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co <https://na01.safelinks.
> protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co>
> >>> deoscopic.com <http://deoscopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
> >>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&
> sdata=0899xFFPDf8
> >>> NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other
> >>> adjustments to
> >>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an Apache
> >>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
> >>> things.
> >>>
> >>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
> >>> this
> >>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
> >>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos
> would
> >>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and build a
> >>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks similar"
> >>> but with conforming content.
> >>>
> >>> My 2 cents,
> >>> -Alex
> >>>
> >>> [1]
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach <https://na01.safelinks.
> protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach>
> >>> e.org <http://e.org/>%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=02%7C01%
> 7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510
> >>> 8d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%
> 7C6364495717568822
> >>> 95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0
> >>>
> >>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> on behalf of OmPrakash
> >>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of
> bigosmallm@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I agree. We might want to avoid that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com <http://wp.com/> site
> has been done
> >>> already.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can we push for this?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Om
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
> >>> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Om,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How we can put the static generated site live under
> royale.apache.org <http://royale.apache.org/>
> >>>>> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very important)
> >>>>> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website code
> >>> to
> >>>>> some
> >>>>> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carlos
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>>:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for now.
> >>>>>> As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
> >>> just
> >>>>>> Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com <
> http://wp.com/> site with
> >>> the
> >>>>> new
> >>>>>> Royale based website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
> >>> like
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> wp.com <http://wp.com/>. So, worrying about legal implications of
> maintaining the
> >>> same
> >>>>>> look
> >>>>>> and feel is premature.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Om
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
> >>>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks Yishay for your words
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yishayjobs@hotmail.com
> <ma...@hotmail.com>>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
> >>> might
> >>>>> not
> >>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>> the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are
> >>> some
> >>>>>> points
> >>>>>>>> that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me
> >>>>> think we
> >>>>>>>> should try to move our site to Royale.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in
> >>> that
> >>>>>> overhead
> >>>>>>>> can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a
> >>>>> classic
> >>>>>>> static
> >>>>>>>> site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
> >>>>> perform
> >>>>>> well
> >>>>>>>> enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in
> >>> that
> >>>>>>> regard.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more
> >>>>> visible
> >>>>>>>> our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d
> >>>>> much
> >>>>>>> rather
> >>>>>>>> have them learn Royale than WP.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I
> >>> don't
> >>>>> see
> >>>>>>> many people available to make this effort.
> >>>>>>> In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
> >>> good
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
> >>> should
> >>>>> put
> >>>>>>> online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
> >>>>>>> In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other things
> >>>>> more
> >>>>>>> needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
> >>> styling
> >>>>>> express,
> >>>>>>> and so on...
> >>>>>>> But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
> >>> our
> >>>>> other
> >>>>>>> html plain code, that's right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
> >>> for
> >>>>> our
> >>>>>> own
> >>>>>>>> site.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just
> >>>>> for
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
> >>> couldn’t
> >>>>>>>> understand that from the thread so far.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
> >>> right.
> >>>>> Nobody
> >>>>>>> could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
> >>>>>>> As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
> >>> without
> >>>>>> having
> >>>>>>> to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is
> >>> the
> >>>>>> normal
> >>>>>>> use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for your considerations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carlos
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks, and great work so far.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= <
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=>
> >>> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.code
> >>>>> oscopic.com <http://oscopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%
> 7C76c801888c3d4049ca8c08d51ef5
> >>> b4c5%7Cfa7b1b5a
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> >>> sdata=9LfHDTE%2BCri
> >>>>> 6177x5CCX1J0QTkIry1aQDsYS%2FBxHNz4%3D&reserved=0>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Carlos Rovira
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Director General
> >>>>>
> >>>>> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= <
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> >>> sdata=9LfHDTE%2BCri6
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> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeo <https://na01.safelinks.
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> 7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b
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> >> aWDZFGSpBV%2B%2FMduJT8tFYH%2Fi37IwI%3D&reserved=0>
> >>
> >> Carlos Rovira
> >>
> >> Director General
> >>
> >> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >>
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
> http%3A%2F%2Fwww.codeos <https://na01.safelinks.
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> 7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b3
> >> 4438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=
> x6RD%2Fu56EFXXK5a
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> >>
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> >> comunicamos
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> >> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
> >> servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
> >> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a
> >> nuestras
> >> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
> >> necesaria.
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Re: Apache Royale static web site
Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.
I would ask for 90 days to give us a bit more time, but I think this is a good idea.
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
> FWIW, maybe the least effort choice right now is to ask ASF Trademarks and
> Infra for a 60 day exception to redirect royale.a.o to
> royale.codeoscopic.com <http://royale.codeoscopic.com/>. That'll keep us for burning more energy trying to
> make this work some other way so we can get other stuff done, including
> creating a similar site the traditional way based on the things we liked
> from royale.codeoscopic.
>
> Thoughts?
> -Alex
>
> On 10/30/17, 3:45 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> notice that the actual preview site is only that. We told about to get the
>> site to some compromise point when we could evaluate it.
>> As I get to that point, folks agree about the direction of the site. We
>> are
>> know seeing how to put this working for us. It seems that current talk
>> with
>> Greg and others is going on the good track. So If we end pushing the
>> preview site to royale.apache.org, I'll be working ASAP to finish the rest
>> of the site in order to get it final.
>>
>> Let's see what happen.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-10-30 4:13 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com.invalid>:
>>
>>> I think there were objections to that as well. Also note that the
>>> current
>>> state of
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Froyale.co>
>>> deoscopic.com <http://deoscopic.com/>&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af6195108d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b
>>> 5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636449571756882295&sdata=0899xFFPDf8
>>> NmBRpAp%2FlHVCzspV5ed7fKnf6WwJPIlM%3D&reserved=0 may need some other
>>> adjustments to
>>> be approved by Apache's VP Branding as a valid home page for an Apache
>>> project. This page [1] mentions a "Donate" button and some other
>>> things.
>>>
>>> Carlos has done a great job and spent plenty of his precious time on
>>> this
>>> already, but the choice of commercial themes is turning out to be a
>>> problem. One option I think we have is to see what changes Carlos would
>>> have to make to his site for it to be ruled as a "fan site" and build a
>>> simpler and conforming site on royale.a.o with CSS that "looks similar"
>>> but with conforming content.
>>>
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apach>
>>> e.org <http://e.org/>%2Ffoundation%2Fmarks%2Fpmcs&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cbd5f09b6f99c4af619510
>>> 8d51f8370fa%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C6364495717568822
>>> 95&sdata=wkvJSvbx7mZ4ZlVaI5pp36eed0MEE6BdROZVTJu7nfs%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> On 10/29/17, 10:51 AM, "omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of OmPrakash
>>> Muppirala" <omuppi1@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> on behalf of bigosmallm@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree. We might want to avoid that.
>>>>
>>>> Looks like the option of pointing to a wp.com <http://wp.com/> site has been done
>>> already.
>>>>
>>>> Can we push for this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Om
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2017 10:37 AM, "Carlos Rovira"
>>> <carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com <ma...@codeoscopic.com>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Om,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that's the better option, but my question is how to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> How we can put the static generated site live under royale.apache.org <http://royale.apache.org/>
>>>>> without having that code on some repo? (the latest is very important)
>>>>> can we do this? do you know how to do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> note: remember that we don't want to upload the actual website code
>>> to
>>>>> some
>>>>> public repo due to commercial code licenses (movedo theme license)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-10-29 2:10 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bigosmallm@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I suggest we just release what Carlos as a static website for now.
>>>>>> As time goes by, volunteers can build up a separate website using
>>> just
>>>>>> Royale. At some point we can simply swap out the wp.com <http://wp.com/> site with
>>> the
>>>>> new
>>>>>> Royale based website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is absolutely no requirement that the new site has to look
>>> like
>>>>> the
>>>>>> wp.com <http://wp.com/>. So, worrying about legal implications of maintaining the
>>> same
>>>>>> look
>>>>>> and feel is premature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's not make perfect the enemy of the good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Om
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Carlos Rovira
>>>>> <carlosrovira@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Yishay for your words
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-10-28 19:09 GMT+02:00 Yishay Weiss <yishayjobs@hotmail.com <ma...@hotmail.com>>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carlos, I agree that our resources are limited and this this
>>> might
>>>>> not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> the best way to spend them at this point. However, there are
>>> some
>>>>>> points
>>>>>>>> that have not been mentioned in this discussion that make me
>>>>> think we
>>>>>>>> should try to move our site to Royale.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One is that we claim to be different to other frameworks in
>>> that
>>>>>> overhead
>>>>>>>> can be much smaller. A site that performs at the level of a
>>>>> classic
>>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>> site would be a significant proof of concept. If it doesn’t
>>>>> perform
>>>>>> well
>>>>>>>> enough we’ll have some information on where we can improve in
>>> that
>>>>>>> regard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Related, we need to finally start eating our dog food. The more
>>>>> visible
>>>>>>>> our dog food, the more feedback we’ll get.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, if new people really want to contribute to out site, I’d
>>>>> much
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> have them learn Royale than WP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's ok. I only said that we are run out of resources and I
>>> don't
>>>>> see
>>>>>>> many people available to make this effort.
>>>>>>> In my case, my plan was to focus on design to bring something
>>> good
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> production, but didn't expect such problems with something we
>>> should
>>>>> put
>>>>>>> online, complete with real content and focus on other things.
>>>>>>> In my case, I would prefer to donate my tiny time in other things
>>>>> more
>>>>>>> needed. In concrete I prefer to donate in "theme" feature,
>>> styling
>>>>>> express,
>>>>>>> and so on...
>>>>>>> But if someone wants to work on replicate the site with Royale
>>> our
>>>>> other
>>>>>>> html plain code, that's right.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, whether or not Royale ends up being a good tool
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> classic web sites I see some reasons to try and achieve that
>>> for
>>>>> our
>>>>>> own
>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finally, suppose I wanted to replicate your site in Royale just
>>>>> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> heck of it. Would that be ok from a legal stand-point? I
>>> couldn’t
>>>>>>>> understand that from the thread so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we recreate the site with our own set of CSS, JS, that's
>>> right.
>>>>> Nobody
>>>>>>> could say us nothing since no commercial code is involved there.
>>>>>>> As well, If we put the actual static generated site online,
>>> without
>>>>>> having
>>>>>>> to upload the code to any repo, that's alright as well, since is
>>> the
>>>>>> normal
>>>>>>> use, and the rest of people using that theme is doing the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your considerations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carlos
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, and great work so far.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
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