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Posted to dev@flink.apache.org by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> on 2017/06/08 15:39:09 UTC
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Hi all,
as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4
would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove
Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
features all speak for dropping Java 7.
Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since June
2016.
So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989
[3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> include is all the potential future users,
> i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7
> still.
>
> Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you are right :)
>> I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the
>>> beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
>>> currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull
>>> requests have been written for Java 8.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
>>> Java 7.
>>>
>>> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit
>>> once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bo...@offerupnow.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading to
>>>> Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
>>>>
>>>> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major
>>>> things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
>>>> compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech
>>>> compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
>>>> compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
>>>>> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <ma...@ri.se>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
>>>>> conversation.
>>>>> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073
>>>>> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A
>>>>> lot of
>>>>> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the companies
>>>>> I
>>>>> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
>>>>> ago. I
>>>>> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
>>>>> it easy
>>>>> > for companies to use Flink.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > cheers Martin
>>>>> >
>>>>> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
>>>>> system
>>>>> > and a lot of things are broken
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>> > From: Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
>>>>> > To: user@flink.apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org
>>>>> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi all!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
>>>>> among
>>>>> > Flink users.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make use
>>>>> of
>>>>> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how
>>>>> much
>>>>> > Java 7 is still used.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
>>>>> have
>>>>> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > Stephan
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Flavio Pompermaier <po...@okkam.it>.
We're not using Java 7 anymore from last year already.
So +1 to upgrade to java 8 from Okkam
On 8 Jun 2017 5:39 pm, "Robert Metzger" <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
>
> Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4
> would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove
> Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> features all speak for dropping Java 7.
>
> Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since June
> 2016.
>
> So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
>
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989
> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?focused
> CommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.
> issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
>> include is all the potential future users,
>> i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7
>> still.
>>
>> Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Theo
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, you are right :)
>>> I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the
>>>> beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
>>>> currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull
>>>> requests have been written for Java 8.
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
>>>> Java 7.
>>>>
>>>> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit
>>>> once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bo...@offerupnow.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading
>>>>> to Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
>>>>>
>>>>> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major
>>>>> things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
>>>>> compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech
>>>>> compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
>>>>> compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <martin.neumann@ri.se
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
>>>>>> conversation.
>>>>>> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073
>>>>>> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A
>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
>>>>>> companies I
>>>>>> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
>>>>>> ago. I
>>>>>> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
>>>>>> it easy
>>>>>> > for companies to use Flink.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > cheers Martin
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> > and a lot of things are broken
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>>> > From: Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>
>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
>>>>>> > To: user@flink.apache.org; dev@flink.apache.org
>>>>>> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hi all!
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
>>>>>> among
>>>>>> > Flink users.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make
>>>>>> use of
>>>>>> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> > Java 7 is still used.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>>> > Stephan
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Stefan Richter <s....@data-artisans.com>.
+1 for dropping Java 7.
> Am 12.07.2017 um 17:36 schrieb Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>:
>
> +1 to drop Java 7 support
>
> I believe that we can move to Java 8 for the argument you've stated.
> ElasticSearch 5, Spark 2.2 require Java 8 already, Hadoop 3.0.0 will require it as well.
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Driesprong, Fokko <fokko@driesprong.frl <ma...@driesprong.frl>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would be in favor of dropping Java 7 as we don't use it in our hadoop
> infra (and we are a bank). Also, Spark 2.2 has been released today,
> which doesn't
> support Java 7 <http://spark.apache.org/releases/spark-release-2-2-0.html <http://spark.apache.org/releases/spark-release-2-2-0.html>>
> anymore, and Flink should not lack behind :-)
>
> Cheers, Fokko
>
> 2017-07-12 15:56 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>:
>
> > Bumping this thread again.
> >
> > There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from the
> > fact that it is not maintained
> >
> > - We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces to
> > evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
> >
> > - Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
> > manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
> >
> > - Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java 8.
> > - Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
> > - Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
> > - Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
> >
> > I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
> > Java version to Java 8.
> >
> > It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala versions)
> > and developers (build simplification) a lot.
> > Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
> > impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with
> > this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ricetons@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and will
> > > not be addressed.
> > >
> > > As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
> > >
> > > +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two
> > steps.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this not two different issues?
> > > > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > > > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> > > >
> > > > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005
> > which
> > > > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > > > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka
> > 2.4
> > > > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will
> > remove
> > > > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> > > > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since
> > > > June 2016.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#> <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>>
> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989> <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>>
> > > > > [3]
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211>?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211>?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > > > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> <mailto:theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> > > > include is all the potential future users,
> > > > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java
> > 7
> > > > still.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Theo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > <mailto:rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>> wrote:
> > > > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com <ma...@greghogan.com>
> > > > <mailto:code@greghogan.com <ma...@greghogan.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > Robert,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at
> > the
> > > > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > > > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or
> > pull
> > > > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > <mailto:rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
> > > > Java 7.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then
> > revisit
> > > > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com <ma...@offerupnow.com>
> > > > <mailto:bowen.li@offerupnow.com <ma...@offerupnow.com>>> wrote:
> > > > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading
> > > to
> > > > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading
> > major
> > > > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > > > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current,
> > old-tech
> > > > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > > > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
> > > > <mailto:rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>> wrote:
> > > > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > > > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521> <
> > > > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <
> > martin.neumann@ri.se <ma...@ri.se>
> > > > <mailto:martin.neumann@ri.se <ma...@ri.se>>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > > > conversation.
> > > > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073> <
> > > > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>>
> > > > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7.
> > A
> > > > lot of
> > > > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> > > companies I
> > > > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
> > > > ago. I
> > > > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
> > > it
> > > > easy
> > > > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > cheers Martin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
> > > > system
> > > > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org> <mailto:sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > > > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org> <mailto:user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>>;
> > > > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org> <mailto:dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>>
> > > > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi all!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
> > > > among
> > > > >> > Flink users.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make
> > use
> > > > of
> > > > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling
> > how
> > > > much
> > > > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
> > > > have
> > > > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Stephan
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
+1 to drop Java 7 support
I believe that we can move to Java 8 for the argument you've stated.
ElasticSearch 5, Spark 2.2 require Java 8 already, Hadoop 3.0.0 will
require it as well.
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Driesprong, Fokko <fo...@driesprong.frl>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would be in favor of dropping Java 7 as we don't use it in our hadoop
> infra (and we are a bank). Also, Spark 2.2 has been released today,
> which doesn't
> support Java 7 <http://spark.apache.org/releases/spark-release-2-2-0.html>
> anymore, and Flink should not lack behind :-)
>
> Cheers, Fokko
>
> 2017-07-12 15:56 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>:
>
> > Bumping this thread again.
> >
> > There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from
> the
> > fact that it is not maintained
> >
> > - We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces
> to
> > evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
> >
> > - Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
> > manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
> >
> > - Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java
> 8.
> > - Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
> > - Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
> > - Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
> >
> > I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
> > Java version to Java 8.
> >
> > It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala
> versions)
> > and developers (build simplification) a lot.
> > Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
> > impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with
> > this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and
> will
> > > not be addressed.
> > >
> > > As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
> > >
> > > +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two
> > steps.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this not two different issues?
> > > > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > > > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> > > >
> > > > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005
> > which
> > > > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > > > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka
> > 2.4
> > > > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will
> > remove
> > > > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new
> language
> > > > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported
> since
> > > > June 2016.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > > > > [3]
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > > > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <mailto:theodoros.vasiloudis@
> gmail.com
> > >>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does
> not
> > > > include is all the potential future users,
> > > > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on
> Java
> > 7
> > > > still.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Theo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> > > > <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Robert,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at
> > the
> > > > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > > > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or
> > pull
> > > > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still
> using
> > > > Java 7.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then
> > revisit
> > > > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <
> bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> > > > <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> > > > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of
> upgrading
> > > to
> > > > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading
> > major
> > > > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > > > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current,
> > old-tech
> > > > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > > > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > > > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> > > > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <
> > martin.neumann@ri.se
> > > > <ma...@ri.se>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > > > conversation.
> > > > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> > > > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> > > > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java
> 7.
> > A
> > > > lot of
> > > > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> > > companies I
> > > > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2
> years
> > > > ago. I
> > > > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to
> make
> > > it
> > > > easy
> > > > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > cheers Martin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new
> mail
> > > > system
> > > > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > > > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> > > > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> > > > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi all!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being
> used
> > > > among
> > > > >> > Flink users.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make
> > use
> > > > of
> > > > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling
> > how
> > > > much
> > > > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users
> that
> > > > have
> > > > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Stephan
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>.
+1 to drop Java 7 support
I believe that we can move to Java 8 for the argument you've stated.
ElasticSearch 5, Spark 2.2 require Java 8 already, Hadoop 3.0.0 will
require it as well.
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Driesprong, Fokko <fo...@driesprong.frl>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would be in favor of dropping Java 7 as we don't use it in our hadoop
> infra (and we are a bank). Also, Spark 2.2 has been released today,
> which doesn't
> support Java 7 <http://spark.apache.org/releases/spark-release-2-2-0.html>
> anymore, and Flink should not lack behind :-)
>
> Cheers, Fokko
>
> 2017-07-12 15:56 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>:
>
> > Bumping this thread again.
> >
> > There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from
> the
> > fact that it is not maintained
> >
> > - We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces
> to
> > evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
> >
> > - Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
> > manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
> >
> > - Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java
> 8.
> > - Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
> > - Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
> > - Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
> >
> > I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
> > Java version to Java 8.
> >
> > It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala
> versions)
> > and developers (build simplification) a lot.
> > Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
> > impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with
> > this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and
> will
> > > not be addressed.
> > >
> > > As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
> > >
> > > +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two
> > steps.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is this not two different issues?
> > > > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > > > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> > > >
> > > > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005
> > which
> > > > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > > > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > > > >
> > > > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka
> > 2.4
> > > > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will
> > remove
> > > > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new
> language
> > > > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported
> since
> > > > June 2016.
> > > > >
> > > > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > > > > [3]
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > <
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > > > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <mailto:theodoros.vasiloudis@
> gmail.com
> > >>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does
> not
> > > > include is all the potential future users,
> > > > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on
> Java
> > 7
> > > > still.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Theo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> > > > <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > > > > Robert,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at
> > the
> > > > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > > > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or
> > pull
> > > > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greg
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still
> using
> > > > Java 7.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then
> > revisit
> > > > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <
> bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> > > > <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> > > > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of
> upgrading
> > > to
> > > > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading
> > major
> > > > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > > > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current,
> > old-tech
> > > > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > > > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <
> > rmetzger@apache.org
> > > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > > > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> > > > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <
> > martin.neumann@ri.se
> > > > <ma...@ri.se>>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > > > conversation.
> > > > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> > > > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> > > > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java
> 7.
> > A
> > > > lot of
> > > > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> > > companies I
> > > > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2
> years
> > > > ago. I
> > > > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to
> make
> > > it
> > > > easy
> > > > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > cheers Martin
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new
> mail
> > > > system
> > > > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ________________________________
> > > > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > > > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> > > > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> > > > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Hi all!
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being
> used
> > > > among
> > > > >> > Flink users.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make
> > use
> > > > of
> > > > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling
> > how
> > > > much
> > > > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users
> that
> > > > have
> > > > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Stephan
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by "Driesprong, Fokko" <fo...@driesprong.frl>.
Hi,
I would be in favor of dropping Java 7 as we don't use it in our hadoop
infra (and we are a bank). Also, Spark 2.2 has been released today,
which doesn't
support Java 7 <http://spark.apache.org/releases/spark-release-2-2-0.html>
anymore, and Flink should not lack behind :-)
Cheers, Fokko
2017-07-12 15:56 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>:
> Bumping this thread again.
>
> There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from the
> fact that it is not maintained
>
> - We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces to
> evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
>
> - Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
> manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
>
> - Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java 8.
> - Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
> - Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
> - Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
>
> I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
> Java version to Java 8.
>
> It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala versions)
> and developers (build simplification) a lot.
> Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
> impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with
> this.
>
> Best,
> Stephan
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and will
> > not be addressed.
> >
> > As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
> >
> > +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two
> steps.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Is this not two different issues?
> > > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> > >
> > > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005
> which
> > > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > > >
> > > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka
> 2.4
> > > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will
> remove
> > > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> > > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > > >
> > > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since
> > > June 2016.
> > > >
> > > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > > > [3]
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > <
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> > focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> > plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <mailto:theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com
> >>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> > > include is all the potential future users,
> > > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java
> 7
> > > still.
> > > >
> > > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Theo
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <
> rmetzger@apache.org
> > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> > > <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > > > Robert,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at
> the
> > > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or
> pull
> > > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > > >
> > > > Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
> > > Java 7.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then
> revisit
> > > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> > > <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> > > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading
> > to
> > > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > > >>
> > > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading
> major
> > > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current,
> old-tech
> > > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <
> rmetzger@apache.org
> > > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> > > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <
> martin.neumann@ri.se
> > > <ma...@ri.se>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > > conversation.
> > > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> > > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> > > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7.
> A
> > > lot of
> > > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> > companies I
> > > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
> > > ago. I
> > > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
> > it
> > > easy
> > > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > cheers Martin
> > > >> >
> > > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
> > > system
> > > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ________________________________
> > > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> > > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> > > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi all!
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
> > > among
> > > >> > Flink users.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make
> use
> > > of
> > > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling
> how
> > > much
> > > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
> > > have
> > > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Stephan
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>.
Bumping this thread again.
There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from the
fact that it is not maintained
- We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces to
evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
- Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
- Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java 8.
- Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
- Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
- Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
Java version to Java 8.
It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala versions)
and developers (build simplification) a lot.
Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with this.
Best,
Stephan
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and will
> not be addressed.
>
> As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
>
> +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two steps.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
>
> > Is this not two different issues?
> > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> >
> > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005 which
> > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > >
> > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4
> > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove
> > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > >
> > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since
> > June 2016.
> > >
> > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > > [3]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> > include is all the potential future users,
> > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7
> > still.
> > >
> > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Theo
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> > <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the
> > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull
> > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
> > Java 7.
> > >>
> > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit
> > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> > <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading
> to
> > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > >>
> > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major
> > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech
> > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <martin.neumann@ri.se
> > <ma...@ri.se>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > conversation.
> > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A
> > lot of
> > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> companies I
> > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
> > ago. I
> > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
> it
> > easy
> > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers Martin
> > >> >
> > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
> > system
> > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > >> >
> > >> > ________________________________
> > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi all!
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
> > among
> > >> > Flink users.
> > >> >
> > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make use
> > of
> > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how
> > much
> > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > >> >
> > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
> > have
> > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Stephan
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Stephan Ewen <se...@apache.org>.
Bumping this thread again.
There are several strong points for dropping Java 7 support, apart from the
fact that it is not maintained
- We could really use the Java 8 default methods feature in interfaces to
evolve the API without breaking backwards compatibility
- Easier build setup for Scala 2.12 (which requires Java 8), no need to
manage the tricky combinations of Java / Scala versions
- Ability to use vanilla Akka (rather than Flakka) which requires Java 8.
- Fewer problems for users that use Akka in the Flink applications
- Flakka currently does not support Scala 2.12
- Newer Akka versions shade protobuf, which is important
I think these together make a pretty good case for bumping the required
Java version to Java 8.
It would just help both Flink users (dependency management, Scala versions)
and developers (build simplification) a lot.
Unless we see users stepping forward and making a case that it will be
impossible for them to upgrade to Java 8, I suggest to go forward with this.
Best,
Stephan
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and will
> not be addressed.
>
> As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
>
> +1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two steps.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
>
> > Is this not two different issues?
> > - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> > - upgrading to Java version 1.8
> >
> > It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005 which
> > prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> > continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> > >
> > > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4
> > would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove
> > Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> > features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> > >
> > > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since
> > June 2016.
> > >
> > > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> > >
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > > [3]
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > <
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?
> focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.
> plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> > theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> > include is all the potential future users,
> > > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7
> > still.
> > >
> > > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Theo
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > > Yeah, you are right :)
> > > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> > <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the
> > beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> > currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull
> > requests have been written for Java 8.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
> > Java 7.
> > >>
> > >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit
> > once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> > <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> > >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading
> to
> > Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> > >>
> > >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major
> > things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> > compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech
> > compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> > compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> > <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> > >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> > https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <martin.neumann@ri.se
> > <ma...@ri.se>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> > conversation.
> > >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> > http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> > >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A
> > lot of
> > >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the
> companies I
> > >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
> > ago. I
> > >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make
> it
> > easy
> > >> > for companies to use Flink.
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers Martin
> > >> >
> > >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
> > system
> > >> > and a lot of things are broken
> > >> >
> > >> > ________________________________
> > >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> > >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> > dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> > >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi all!
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
> > among
> > >> > Flink users.
> > >> >
> > >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make use
> > of
> > >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how
> > much
> > >> > Java 7 is still used.
> > >> >
> > >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
> > have
> > >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Stephan
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Haohui Mai <ri...@gmail.com>.
+1
There are several high impacts security vulnerabilities in JDK 7 and will
not be addressed.
As a result we completely moved away from JDK 7.
+1 on separating the tasks of supporting Scala 2.12 and JDK 8 in two steps.
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:53 AM Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com> wrote:
> Is this not two different issues?
> - adding builds for Scala 2.12
> - upgrading to Java version 1.8
>
> It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005 which
> prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and
> continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
>
> Greg
>
>
> > On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
> >
> > Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4
> would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove
> Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language
> features all speak for dropping Java 7.
> >
> > Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since
> June 2016.
> >
> > So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
> >
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> > [3]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> <
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <
> theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not
> include is all the potential future users,
> > i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7
> still.
> >
> > Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Theo
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> > Yeah, you are right :)
> > I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com
> <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the
> beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is
> currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull
> requests have been written for Java 8.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using
> Java 7.
> >>
> >> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit
> once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com
> <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
> >> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading to
> Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
> >>
> >> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major
> things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward
> compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech
> compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward
> compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> >> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
> >> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <
> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <martin.neumann@ri.se
> <ma...@ri.se>>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email
> conversation.
> >> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <
> http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
> >> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A
> lot of
> >> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the companies I
> >> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years
> ago. I
> >> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make it
> easy
> >> > for companies to use Flink.
> >> >
> >> > cheers Martin
> >> >
> >> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail
> system
> >> > and a lot of things are broken
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
> >> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>;
> dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
> >> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
> >> >
> >> > Hi all!
> >> >
> >> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used
> among
> >> > Flink users.
> >> >
> >> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make use
> of
> >> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how
> much
> >> > Java 7 is still used.
> >> >
> >> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that
> have
> >> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Stephan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Re: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
Posted by Greg Hogan <co...@greghogan.com>.
Is this not two different issues?
- adding builds for Scala 2.12
- upgrading to Java version 1.8
It may be time to switch, but I haven’t seen anything in FLINK-5005 which prevents simply adding Scala 2.12 to our supported build matrix and continuing to build 2.10 / 2.11 against Java 1.7.
Greg
> On Jun 8, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Robert Metzger <rm...@apache.org> wrote:
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> Hi all,
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> as promised in March, I want to revive this discussion!
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> Our users are begging for Scala 2.12 support [1], migration to Akka 2.4 would solve a bunch of shading / dependency issues (Akka 2.4 will remove Akka's protobuf dependency [2][3]) and generally Java 8's new language features all speak for dropping Java 7.
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> Java 8 has been released in March, 2014. Java 7 is unsupported since June 2016.
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> So what's the feeling in the community regarding the step?
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> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005# <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5005#>
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-5989>
> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-3211?focusedCommentId=15274018&page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel#comment-15274018>
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> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Theodore Vasiloudis <theodoros.vasiloudis@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hello all,
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> I'm sure you've considered this already, but what this data does not include is all the potential future users,
> i.e. slower moving organizations (banks etc.) which could be on Java 7 still.
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> Whether those are relevant is up for debate.
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> Cheers,
> Theo
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> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Yeah, you are right :)
> I'll put something in my calendar for end of May.
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> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 12:12 PM, Greg Hogan <code@greghogan.com <ma...@greghogan.com>> wrote:
> Robert,
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> Thanks for the report. Shouldn’t we be revisiting this decision at the beginning of the new release cycle rather than near the end? There is currently little cost to staying with Java 7 since no Flink code or pull requests have been written for Java 8.
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> Greg
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>> On Mar 23, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
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>> Looks like 9% on twitter and 24% on the mailing list are still using Java 7.
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>> I would vote to keep supporting Java 7 for Flink 1.3 and then revisit once we are approaching 1.4 in September.
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>> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bowen Li <bowen.li@offerupnow.com <ma...@offerupnow.com>> wrote:
>> There's always a tradeoff we need to make. I'm in favor of upgrading to Java 8 to bring in all new Java features.
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>> The common way I've seen (and I agree) other software upgrading major things like this is 1) upgrade for next big release without backward compatibility and notify everyone 2) maintain and patch current, old-tech compatible version at a reasonably limited scope. Building backward compatibility is too much for an open sourced project
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>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Robert Metzger <rmetzger@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>> I've put it also on our Twitter account:
>> https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521 <https://twitter.com/ApacheFlink/status/842015062667755521>
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>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Martin Neumann <martin.neumann@ri.se <ma...@ri.se>>
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>> > I think this easier done in a straw poll than in an email conversation.
>> > I created one at: http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073 <http://www.strawpoll.me/12535073>
>> > (Note that you have multiple choices.)
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>> > Though I prefer Java 8 most of the time I have to work on Java 7. A lot of
>> > the infrastructure I work on still runs Java 7, one of the companies I
>> > build a prototype for a while back just updated to Java 7 2 years ago. I
>> > doubt we can ditch Java 7 support any time soon if we want to make it easy
>> > for companies to use Flink.
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>> > cheers Martin
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>> > //PS sorry if this gets sent twice, we just migrated to a new mail system
>> > and a lot of things are broken
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>> > From: Stephan Ewen <sewen@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:30:24 PM
>> > To: user@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>; dev@flink.apache.org <ma...@flink.apache.org>
>> > Subject: [POLL] Who still uses Java 7 with Flink ?
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>> > Hi all!
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>> > I would like to get a feeling how much Java 7 is still being used among
>> > Flink users.
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>> > At some point, it would be great to drop Java 7 support and make use of
>> > Java 8's new features, but first we would need to get a feeling how much
>> > Java 7 is still used.
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>> > Would be happy if users on Java 7 respond here, or even users that have
>> > some insights into how widespread they think Java 7 still is.
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>> > Thanks,
>> > Stephan
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