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maven vs openmake mesiter
I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if anyone
on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
was just curious what the maven community's impression/response would be
because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim to
go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Andrew Williams <an...@handyande.co.uk>.
This is true - but the tree was available elsewhere, I think the help
plugin had it for a while.
A
On 2 Apr 2008, at 00:39, Jason Chaffee wrote:
> Also, this may have been written before the dependency plugin had the
> current feature set. I know when I first started using maven2 and the
> dependency plugin, it only had copy, unpack, and a couple of other
> goals. It didn't have everything it has now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Williams [mailto:andy@handyande.co.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:56 AM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
>
> Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
> maven but not known the tools that can help.
> The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
> rant at least!
>
> Andy
>
> On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
>> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
>> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
>> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
>> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
>> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
>> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
>> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
>> looked up the dates.
>>
>> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
>> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
>> it.
>>
>> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>>> anyone
>>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with
>>> Maven? I
>>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>>> would be
>>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>>> to
>>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> Jason van Zyl
>> Founder, Apache Maven
>> jason at sonatype dot com
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise
>> tomorrow.
>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
>> goals are in doubt.
>>
>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>>
>>
>>
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RE: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Jason Chaffee <ja...@tvworks.com>.
Also, this may have been written before the dependency plugin had the
current feature set. I know when I first started using maven2 and the
dependency plugin, it only had copy, unpack, and a couple of other
goals. It didn't have everything it has now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Williams [mailto:andy@handyande.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:56 AM
To: Maven Developers List
Subject: Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
maven but not known the tools that can help.
The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
rant at least!
Andy
On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
> looked up the dates.
>
> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
> it.
>
> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>> anyone
>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>> would be
>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>> to
>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
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Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Andrew Williams <an...@handyande.co.uk>.
Heh, it looks to me like people who have had bad experiences with
maven but not known the tools that can help.
The command "mvn dependency:tree" would have saved them a paragraph of
rant at least!
Andy
On 31 Mar 2008, at 22:59, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously
> a threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own
> success. I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the
> term "Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven
> project over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long
> time. So I just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that
> they didn't do it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't
> looked up the dates.
>
> I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing
> I frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish
> it.
>
> On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
>> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
>> anyone
>> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
>> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
>> would be
>> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim
>> to
>> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> jason at sonatype dot com
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
>
> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
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Re: maven vs openmake mesiter
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
I have something written but it's not very nice. But we're obviously a
threat as they make comparisons to us. A victim of our own success.
I've also meant to follow up on when they started using the term
"Mojo" which definitely confuses people. For the sister Maven project
over at Codehaus called Mojo has been around quite a long time. So I
just didn't want to be disappointed and I'm hoping that they didn't do
it to confuse users. I am assuming not but I haven't looked up the
dates.
I will try to remove the barbs from my write-up, as their marketing I
frankly find distasteful. But I'll try to be objective and publish it.
On 31-Mar-08, at 2:18 PM, Jason Chaffee wrote:
> I came across OpenMake's meister over the weekend and wondered if
> anyone
> on this list has any experience with or any comparison with Maven? I
> was just curious what the maven community's impression/response
> would be
> because they claim to have maven-like features, but they also claim to
> go "above and beyond" maven in flexibility and features.
>
>
>
> http://www.openmakesoftware.com/Maven-VS-Meister/
>
Thanks,
Jason
----------------------------------------------------------
Jason van Zyl
Founder, Apache Maven
jason at sonatype dot com
----------------------------------------------------------
You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
goals are in doubt.
-- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
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