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Wrong distro detected?

Hi all


I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 32-bit but when I click on http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html

I am offered the Linux 32bit RPM.

Can someone verify/fix this?


Regards,

Pedro

Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02.09.2018 um 10:42 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:06 AM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
>> when you have problems with the download please have a look here:
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html
> 
> That is an useful tool (maybe the link to it should be "Report download problems" instead of "Report broken link")

yes, maybe. I can do it after the CMS is working again.

> Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)
> 
> Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
> 
> Problem description	Exchange this text to describe the problem
> 
> (What does not work? What do you expect?)
> Browser variables	Values
> navigator.appCodeName 	Mozilla
> navigator.appName 	Netscape
> navigator.appVersion 	5.0 (X11)
> navigator.platform 	Linux x86_64
> navigator.oscpu 	Linux x86_64
> navigator.cpuClass 	undefined
> navigator.product 	Gecko
> navigator.productSub 	20100101
> navigator.vendor 	
> navigator.vendorSub 	
> navigator.language 	en-US
> navigator.browserLanguage 	undefined
> navigator.userLanguage 	undefined
> navigator.systemLanguage 	undefined
> navigator.userAgent 	Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
> Debian / Ubuntu / IceWeasel ?	No / No / No
> Stable Release	

Thanks for the data.

Here you can see that nothing is pointing to Ubuntu or at least to a 
Debian based Linus system. Therefore it's not possible to detected the 
used system with information that the browser has to provide.

Or have I overlooked something? Is there more data to check to come to 
the used system?

So, at the moment it's not possible to choose an always correct package 
format for the install files. At the end it's a best guess.

When changing this to DEB; then others are complaining, it's changed 
back to RPM and now the complains from the other site are starting 
again. ;-)

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 2018-09-02 8:49 a.m., Matthias Seidel wrote:

> Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)

Using Pale Moon 27.9.3 with English (Canada) as the UI language.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_12_3;
rv:51.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/51.0"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me
OSX > 10.7 English US DMG.

Using Firefox ESR, on the same system.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me the
Linux 64 Bit RPM English (US) 4.1.5

Using Midori 0.5.1 on the same system.

My User-Agent is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux) AppleWebKit/538.15 (KHTML,
like Gecko) Chrome/46.0.2490.86 Safari/538.15 Midori/0.5"

https://www.openoffice.org/download/ offers me the
Linux 64 Bit RPM English (US) 4.1.5

FWIW, I use a 64 bit Linux distro that falsely claims to not use
SystemD. (Falsely becuase right now SystemD is using 50% CPU and 250 MB
RAM.)


jonathon




Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 2018-09-02 8:42 p.m., Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> It may be useful to know that the terminal command 
> inxi -S

Might need to emphasize that that is the majuscle S, not minuscle s.

> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.  

inxi -r gives repository type


jonathon



Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>
>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>> inxi -S
>>>
>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to 
>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>
>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious 
>> reasons ;)
>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will 
>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>
>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the 
>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro 
>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>
>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding 
>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android 
>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
> 
> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed worth 
> to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with the 
> download scripting.

as the CMS current not working I cannot commit something to show you for 
testing. Therefore a little dry test:

When choosing RPM or DEB a little text is show with the following content:

"RPM is used in:
CentOS, Fedora, Mageia, Mandriva, MeeGo, openSUSE, Oracle Linux, 
PCLinuxOS, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Sailfish OS, Scientific Linux, SUSE 
Linux Enterprise Server

DEB is used in:
Debian, Kanotix, Knoppix, Kubuntu, Linux Mint, Lubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu"

Please have a look if something is wrong or could be added.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Marcus, all

> On October 17, 2018 at 8:13 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> OK, a suggestion:
> 
> Let's do the 4.1.6 release and look closely for such comments. When 
> there are many comments that DEB would be the better default then we 
> should change it.

Sounds like a good plan! Thanks!

Regards
Pedro

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 17.10.2018 um 10:23 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On October 16, 2018 at 11:16 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
>>> 1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values
>>> are still offered but no longer for newer versions.
>>>
>>> 2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to
>>> choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in
>>> which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.
>>>
>>> Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?
>>
>> Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more
>> feedback from others.
> 
> Yes, that would be an improvement.
> 
> I still think that offering DEB by default would be the best option.
> 
> Even if some people don't like it, Ubuntu and Debian based distros are the most widely used Linux desktop OSes (lacking a better statistical source, Distrowatch top distros show this for years)

OK, a suggestion:

Let's do the 4.1.6 release and look closely for such comments. When 
there are many comments that DEB would be the better default then we 
should change it.

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Marcus, all

> On October 16, 2018 at 11:16 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> > 1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values 
> > are still offered but no longer for newer versions.
> > 
> > 2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to 
> > choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in 
> > which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.
> > 
> > Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?
> 
> Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more 
> feedback from others.

Yes, that would be an improvement.

I still think that offering DEB by default would be the best option. 

Even if some people don't like it, Ubuntu and Debian based distros are the most widely used Linux desktop OSes (lacking a better statistical source, Distrowatch top distros show this for years)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 14.10.2018 um 17:32 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:52 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:10 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other
>>>>>>>>>>> commands to
>>>>>>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>>>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for 
>>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that 
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>>>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>>>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>>>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when
>>>>>>>>>> Android
>>>>>>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>>>>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit 
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> the download scripting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>>>>>>> Release Policy?
>>>>>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, I know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>>>>>>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>>>>>>> then do not offer a link .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But let's see ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Great!
>>>>> How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?
>>>>
>>>> SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.
>>>>
>>>> Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process?
>>>> As long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if
>>>> so, it's very easy to add it.
>>>
>>> Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
>>> have a scripts for it:
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/
>>
>> great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.
> 
> after the CMS is working again, I've now committed (but not yet 
> published !) my changes to ask for feeback:
> 
> 1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values 
> are still offered but no longer for newer versions.
> 
> 2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to 
> choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in 
> which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.
> 
> Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?

Matthias sent me a hint for an error. But I would like to see more 
feedback from others.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 10.09.2018 um 23:52 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:19 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:10 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other
>>>>>>>>>> commands to
>>>>>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for 
>>>>>>>>> obvious
>>>>>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when
>>>>>>>>> Android
>>>>>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>>>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>>>>>>> the download scripting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>>>>>> Release Policy?
>>>>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, I know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>>>>>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>>>>>> then do not offer a link .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But let's see ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.
>>>>
>>>> Great!
>>>> How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?
>>>
>>> SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.
>>>
>>> Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process?
>>> As long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if
>>> so, it's very easy to add it.
>>
>> Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
>> have a scripts for it:
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/
> 
> great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.

after the CMS is working again, I've now committed (but not yet 
published !) my changes to ask for feeback:

1) For versions until 4.1.5 (our current one) links for MD5 hash values 
are still offered but no longer for newer versions.

2) When Linux is choosen as platform, a new link "RPM vs. DEB = What to 
choose?" is offered. When hovering with the mouse a text is shown in 
which Linux distributions RPM and DEB packages are used.

Especially for topic #2, does it hit the spot?

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 10.09.2018 um 23:29 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:19 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:10 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other
>>>>>>>>> commands to
>>>>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>>>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when
>>>>>>>> Android
>>>>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>>>>>> the download scripting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>>>>> Release Policy?
>>>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, I know.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>>>>
>>>>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>>>>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>>>>> then do not offer a link .
>>>>>
>>>>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>>>>
>>>>> But let's see ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>>>
>>>> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.
>>>
>>> Great!
>>> How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?
>>
>> SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.
>>
>> Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process?
>> As long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if
>> so, it's very easy to add it.
> 
> Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
> have a scripts for it:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

great, then the download scripting is awaiting the new hash data.

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Am 10.09.2018 um 23:19 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 23:10 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other
>>>>>>>> commands to
>>>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when
>>>>>>> Android
>>>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>>>>> the download scripting.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>>>> Release Policy?
>>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>>>
>>>> yes, I know.
>>>>
>>>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>>>
>>>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>>>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>>>
>>>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>>>> then do not offer a link .
>>>>
>>>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>>>
>>>> But let's see ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>>
>>> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.
>>
>> Great!
>> How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?
>
> SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.
>
> Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process?
> As long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if
> so, it's very easy to add it.

Generating hash data is done manually after the build process, but we
have a scripts for it:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/devtools/release-scripts/

Matthias

>
> Marcus
>
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 10.09.2018 um 23:10 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
>>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android
>>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>>
>>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>>>> the download scripting.
>>>>
>>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>>> Release Policy?
>>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>>
>>> yes, I know.
>>>
>>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>>
>>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>>
>>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>>> then do not offer a link .
>>>
>>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>>
>>> But let's see ;-)
>>>
>>> Thanks for the hint.
>>
>> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.
> 
> Great!
> How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

SHA256 is unchanged and shown as before.

Is the SHA512 hash data meanwhile integrated into the build process? As 
long as it is not I cannot add this to the download site. But if so, 
it's very easy to add it.

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus,

Am 10.09.2018 um 22:32 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
>>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>>
>>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>>
>>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>>
>>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android
>>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>>
>>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>>> the download scripting.
>>>
>>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>>
>>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>>> Release Policy?
>>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
>>
>> yes, I know.
>>
>> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
>>
>> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
>> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
>>
>> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
>> then do not offer a link .
>>
>> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
>>
>> But let's see ;-)
>>
>> Thanks for the hint.
>
> OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Great!
How do you handle SHA? I understand that we should offer SHA512?

Matthias

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06.09.2018 um 22:06 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>>> inxi -S
>>>>>
>>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
>>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>>
>>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>>> reasons ;)
>>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>>
>>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>>
>>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android
>>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>>
>>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>>> the download scripting.
>>
>> When you are at it... ;-)
>>
>> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
>> Release Policy?
>> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530
> 
> yes, I know.
> 
> However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:
> 
> If version == 4.1.5 or older,
> then offer a link with the MD5 file.
> 
> If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
> then do not offer a link .
> 
> I've to check how and where to insert this version check.
> 
> But let's see ;-)
> 
> Thanks for the hint.

OK, also this is ready for testing. Let's wait for the CMS.

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 06.09.2018 um 17:37 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>>> inxi -S
>>>>
>>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
>>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>>
>>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>>> reasons ;)
>>>   
>>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>>
>>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>>
>>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android
>>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>>
>> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
>> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
>> the download scripting.
> 
> When you are at it... ;-)
> 
> Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
> Release Policy?
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

yes, I know.

However, this is more complex as we have a dependency with versions:

If version == 4.1.5 or older,
then offer a link with the MD5 file.

If version == 4.1.6 or newer,
then do not offer a link .

I've to check how and where to insert this version check.

But let's see ;-)

Thanks for the hint.

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus,

Am 05.09.2018 um 21:37 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>
>>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>>> inxi -S
>>>
>>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to
>>> do so of which I am not aware.
>>
>> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
>> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious
>> reasons ;)
>>  
>>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will
>>> disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
>>
>> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the
>> problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro
>> (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
>>
>> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding
>> information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android
>> is detected so the mechanism is already there)
>
> just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed
> worth to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with
> the download scripting.

When you are at it... ;-)

Did you have a chance to look at the needed changes for the updated
Release Policy?
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127530

Regards,
   Matthias

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> Thanks for suggesting, also to Andrea. ;-)
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02.09.2018 um 23:20 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 
>> It may be useful to know that the terminal command
>> inxi -S
>>
>> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.
> 
> inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
> But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)
>   
>> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files
> 
> We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)
> 
> The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android is detected so the mechanism is already there)

just an additional info instead of a (mandatory) choise is indeed worth 
to think twice. I'll do it on the weekend and play a bit with the 
download scripting.

Thanks for suggesting, also to Andrea. ;-)

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Rory, all

> On September 2, 2018 at 9:42 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:

> It may be useful to know that the terminal command 
> inxi -S
> 
> will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.  

inxi is not included in Debian or Ubuntu. lsb_release -a works
But the browser is not allowed to run terminal commands for obvious reasons ;)
 
> I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files

We would have to create a table with such correspondence. But the problem remains: there is no way to get information on the Distro (except for Ubuntu's Firefox)

The only solution seems to be Andrea's suggestion about adding information when Linux is detected (this already happens when Android is detected so the mechanism is already there)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 22:34:56 +0200
Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:

> Pedro Lino wrote:
> > So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
> 
> All we have is the user agent. And a user agent like your example:
> 
> "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"
> 
> bears no indication of the distribution, so the user will get the 
> default (which happens to be RPM... but as Marcus noted, changing the 
> default won't help).
> 
> > Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro?
> 
> I think at a point in time we used to have something like "for Ubuntu, 
> Debian..." as text accompanying the DEB downloads and "for Fedora, Red 
> Hat, CentOS, OpenSUSE" for the RPM downloads.
> 
> When we detect "Linux", we could display these short instructions on the 
> page, between the drop-downs and the buttons. But only if Marcus feels 
> confident to implement it!
> 
> Regards,
>    Andrea.
> 

It may be useful to know that the terminal command 
inxi -S

will display the distro name. I am sure there are other commands to do so of which I am not aware.  

I have not yet (not looked very hard) found any command that will disclose if the distro needs RPM or DEB files


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Pedro Lino wrote:
> So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.

All we have is the user agent. And a user agent like your example:

"Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0"

bears no indication of the distribution, so the user will get the 
default (which happens to be RPM... but as Marcus noted, changing the 
default won't help).

> Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro?

I think at a point in time we used to have something like "for Ubuntu, 
Debian..." as text accompanying the DEB downloads and "for Fedora, Red 
Hat, CentOS, OpenSUSE" for the RPM downloads.

When we detect "Linux", we could display these short instructions on the 
page, between the drop-downs and the buttons. But only if Marcus feels 
confident to implement it!

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02.09.2018 um 13:27 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:28:24 +0200
> Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
>> Am 02.09.2018 um 11:11 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:49 AM Matthias Seidel <matthias.seidel@hamburg.de mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           > > Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
>>>>>
>>>>>       >     No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
>>>>       Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).
>>>
>>> There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
>>>
>>> So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)
>>
>> sure, that's possible. Howcer, I would like to avaoid to add an
>> additional thing that the users have to select befor they can get the
>> download.
>>
>> So, as long as the complains - especially in the forums - do not
>> increase dramatically I would prefer to keep it like it is.
>>
>> My 2 ct.
>>
>> Marcus
> 
> I have circulated a warning note to Forum volunteers, so that all are aware of the problem and now know to draw attention of those affected to the correct download for their distro.

great, thanks for the note.

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 11:28:24 +0200
Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> Am 02.09.2018 um 11:11 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> >> On September 2, 2018 at 9:49 AM Matthias Seidel <matthias.seidel@hamburg.de mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>          > > Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
> >>>
> >>>      >     No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
> >>      Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).
> > 
> > There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
> > 
> > So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)
> 
> sure, that's possible. Howcer, I would like to avaoid to add an 
> additional thing that the users have to select befor they can get the 
> download.
> 
> So, as long as the complains - especially in the forums - do not 
> increase dramatically I would prefer to keep it like it is.
> 
> My 2 ct.
> 
> Marcus

I have circulated a warning note to Forum volunteers, so that all are aware of the problem and now know to draw attention of those affected to the correct download for their distro.


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02.09.2018 um 11:11 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:49 AM Matthias Seidel <matthias.seidel@hamburg.de mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de > wrote:
>>
>>
>>          > > Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
>>>
>>>      >     No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
>>      Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).
> 
> There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)
> 
> So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

sure, that's possible. Howcer, I would like to avaoid to add an 
additional thing that the users have to select befor they can get the 
download.

So, as long as the complains - especially in the forums - do not 
increase dramatically I would prefer to keep it like it is.

My 2 ct.

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
> On September 2, 2018 at 9:49 AM Matthias Seidel <matthias.seidel@hamburg.de mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de > wrote:
> 
> 
>         > > Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?
> > 
> >     >     No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
>     Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).
> 


There is no ESR version on the Ubuntu repos. That explains it (only Ubuntu files, report the Distro...)

So this means that the correct Distro information needs to be extracted from somewhere else.

Any ideas?

Would it be absurd to have a drop list for the user to select the distro? (with Ubuntu offered if automatically detected?)

Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,

Am 02.09.2018 um 10:42 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus
>
>> On September 2, 2018 at 9:06 AM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> when you have problems with the download please have a look here:
>> https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html
> That is an useful tool (maybe the link to it should be "Report download problems" instead of "Report broken link")
>
> Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)

No problem on my side.

>
> Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?

No, but is your version from the repos? It seems to be an ESR (plain
Mozilla, no Ubuntu in the User Agent).

Regards,
   Matthias

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>
> (What does not work? What do you expect?)
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Marcus

> On September 2, 2018 at 9:06 AM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:

> when you have problems with the download please have a look here:
> https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

That is an useful tool (maybe the link to it should be "Report download problems" instead of "Report broken link")

Apparently the problem is even bigger: I'm now running Ubuntu 16.04.5 x64 and I'm still offered the RPMs (see table below)

Maybe something changed in Debian/Ubuntu?

Problem description	Exchange this text to describe the problem

(What does not work? What do you expect?)
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navigator.appName 	Netscape
navigator.appVersion 	5.0 (X11)
navigator.platform 	Linux x86_64
navigator.oscpu 	Linux x86_64
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 01.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> 
>>      You are using Chrome?
> 
> No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

when you have problems with the download please have a look here:

https://www.openoffice.org/download/analyze.html

With that information it's easier to analyze such problems.

Thanks

Marcus


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 2018-09-02 11:25 a.m., Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

Ubuntu adds their own special sauce, that, as is usual for those that
compile distros, completely, utterly, and absolutely breaks the program.

jonathon



Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Actually that was not correct.
Mozilla provides the tar.bz2 when it detects Linux...
Ah, well...

> On September 2, 2018 at 12:41 PM Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Curiously, the previous link offers me the right DEBS so we (AOO) we need to find out how Mozilla does it... Anyone with an RPM based distro to test this?

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Rory, all

> On September 2, 2018 at 12:25 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:

> > >>>> On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On that machine User Agent details are
> > >>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0
 
> I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

The Firefox version that is included in Ubuntu is the current branch of Firefox (61.0) slightly modified by Ubuntu (that is why it has the additional Ubuntu info). 
The version I'm using (and is included in Debian) is the ESR a more conservative branch that is available from Mozilla (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/)
If you install the standard Firefox from Mozilla (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/) I assume it will no longer report Ubuntu...

Curiously, the previous link offers me the right DEBS so we (AOO) we need to find out how Mozilla does it... Anyone with an RPM based distro to test this?

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:16:13 +0200
Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Hi Rory,
> 
> Am 02.09.2018 um 09:58 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> > On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100
> > Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)
> >> Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> On September 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> >>>> I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
> >>>>
> >>>> My User Agent details are
> >>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
> >>>>
> >>>> On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
> >>>>
> >>>> On that machine User Agent details are
> >>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0
> >>> Thank you for the feedback Rory!
> >>> That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
> >>> Does that make sense? 
> >>> In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Pedro
> >> It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
> >>
> >> This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
> >>
> >> If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.
> >
> > I should say that on the en-Forum we have had a small number of cases recently of (new?) linux users downloadiung the wrong (RPM or tar.gz instead of DEB) OpenOffice version.  We had put this down to unfamiliarity on the User's part, but it may have been an early indication of this problem.  After detailed enquiries we were able to redirect them to the correct OO version, but it would be best if the problem could be solved so that the version choice was automatic (as it used be).
> 
> As it used to be?


I used the Firefox from the Ubuntu distro, and assumed that was a "standard" Firefox.

Rory

> 
> The logic for downloads is in here:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/download/download.js
> 
> It has "always" been this way, but maybe we can now find a way to
> enhance the detection?
> 
> Regards,
>    Matthias
> 
> >
> >
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Rory,

Am 02.09.2018 um 09:58 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)
>> Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> On September 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>>>> I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
>>>>
>>>> My User Agent details are
>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
>>>>
>>>> On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
>>>>
>>>> On that machine User Agent details are
>>>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0
>>> Thank you for the feedback Rory!
>>> That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
>>> Does that make sense? 
>>> In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Pedro
>> It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
>>
>> This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
>>
>> If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.
>
> I should say that on the en-Forum we have had a small number of cases recently of (new?) linux users downloadiung the wrong (RPM or tar.gz instead of DEB) OpenOffice version.  We had put this down to unfamiliarity on the User's part, but it may have been an early indication of this problem.  After detailed enquiries we were able to redirect them to the correct OO version, but it would be best if the problem could be solved so that the version choice was automatic (as it used be).

As it used to be?

The logic for downloads is in here:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/openoffice/ooo-site/trunk/content/download/download.js

It has "always" been this way, but maybe we can now find a way to
enhance the detection?

Regards,
   Matthias

>
>
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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 2 Sep 2018 07:51:37 +0100
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)
> Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > > On September 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> > 
> > > I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
> > > 
> > > My User Agent details are
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
> > > 
> > > On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
> > > 
> > > On that machine User Agent details are
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0
> > 
> > Thank you for the feedback Rory!
> > That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
> > Does that make sense? 
> > In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Pedro
> 
> It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.
> 
> This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.
> 
> If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.


I should say that on the en-Forum we have had a small number of cases recently of (new?) linux users downloadiung the wrong (RPM or tar.gz instead of DEB) OpenOffice version.  We had put this down to unfamiliarity on the User's part, but it may have been an early indication of this problem.  After detailed enquiries we were able to redirect them to the correct OO version, but it would be best if the problem could be solved so that the version choice was automatic (as it used be).


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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:59:32 +0100 (WEST)
Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org> wrote:

> 
> > On September 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> > I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
> > 
> > My User Agent details are
> > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
> > 
> > On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
> > 
> > On that machine User Agent details are
> > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0
> 
> Thank you for the feedback Rory!
> That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
> Does that make sense? 
> In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)
> 
> Regards,
> Pedro

It is a good point that one might expect distro users to know what package they want.

This used be so, but experience on the en-Forum suggests that many less experienced users are now moving to linux distros as an alternative from other operating systems, and expect it to work "out of the box"; they do not bring any technical knowledge or to their use of computers.

If this problem is not fixed, it will escalate; we should consider what causes it and try to find a solution.

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
> On September 1, 2018 at 10:15 PM Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:

> I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)
> 
> My User Agent details are
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44
> 
> On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)
> 
> On that machine User Agent details are
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0

Thank you for the feedback Rory!
That confirms that it's not a Firefox limitation and when Distro is not specified it will default to RPM.
Does that make sense? 
In any case it's probably safe to say that the majority of desktop Linux users are running Ubuntu or a flavor/derivative (and those that aren't know which package to get!)

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:44:53 +0200
Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:

> Am 01.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> >>     You are using Chrome?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)
> >
> 
> Can you post your User Agent?
> https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
> 
> Firefox on my system (Ubuntu 16.94) has:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
> 
> It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.
> 
> Regards,
>    Matthias
> 

I am now using Opera 55 on Xubuntu 18.04.01 54 bit.  Out of interest I accessed the download site and it wanted to download Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (RPM), whereas it should have been Linux 64-bit (x84-64) (DEB)

My User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/68.0.3440.106 Safari/537.36 OPR/55.0.2994.44

On a similar Xubuntu 18.04.01 64 bit machine, using Firefox I am offered OO Linux 64-bit (x86-64) (DEB)

On that machine User Agent details are
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko /20100101; Firefox/61.0



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Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Am 01.09.2018 um 23:00 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Can you post your User Agent?
>>     https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
>>
>>     Firefox on my system (Ubuntu 16.94) has:
>>     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
>>
>>     It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.
>>
>
> Interesting... There is no distro ID
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0
>
> So this seems like a Mozilla bug then?

I wouldn't call it a bug... Same problem with Chrome.

Canonical just adds "Ubuntu" to the User Agent in their version of Firefox.




Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
> Can you post your User Agent?
>     https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/
> 
>     Firefox on my system (Ubuntu 16.94) has:
>     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
> 
>     It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.
> 


Interesting... There is no distro ID

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/52.0

So this seems like a Mozilla bug then?

Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Am 01.09.2018 um 22:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>>     You are using Chrome?
>>
>>
>
> No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)
>

Can you post your User Agent?
https://www.whoishostingthis.com/tools/user-agent/

Firefox on my system (Ubuntu 16.94) has:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0

It identifies with "Ubuntu", so our website can guess the packaging format.

Regards,
   Matthias


Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
>     You are using Chrome?
> 
> 


No. I'm using the included browser Firefox ESR 52.9.0 (32 bit)

Re: Wrong distro detected?

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,

Am 01.09.2018 um 22:15 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi all
>
>
> I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 32-bit but when I click on http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html
>
> I am offered the Linux 32bit RPM.

You are using Chrome?

Regards,
   Matthias

>
> Can someone verify/fix this?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Pedro
>