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Posted to dev@cmda.apache.org by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> on 2016/07/03 13:27:30 UTC
[VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
All,
There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
[ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
[ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
John
[1]:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
Re: RE: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On 2016-07-05 15:58 (-0400), "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
> would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
> give us a three-month probation.
>
> Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
> recruiting a Caltech student into our development
> team via the summer internship program, and getting
> ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
> summer school. We will be reporting the details of
> these activities along the way.
Was this via GSoC or something else that the ASF is affiliated with?
>
> Thanks a lot for your help!
> -Lei
> ________________________________________
> From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
> To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
>
> Dear Chris and Mentors:
>
> The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep apology from the team.
>
> Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we will retire the project.
>
> Please let us know your thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Jia
>
> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
> > in favor of retiring the podling.
> >
> > The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
> > the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
> > the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
> > it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
> > Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Chris Mattmann
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello John
> >>
> >> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
> >> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
> >>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
> >>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
> >>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> >>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> [1]:
> >>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> >
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
+1.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 7/6/16, 9:00 AM, "Greg Reddin" <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I too am willing to give the project more time, but I think this will
>be one more chance and will be for a limited, specified amount of
>time. If we don't see progress in that time (I'd propose maybe three
>months?) then we have to retire it.
>
>I'd like to address some specific issues and make sure the community
>understands what is needed to resolve them. I'll start a separate
>thread to that end.
>
>Thanks,
>Greg
>
>
>On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Jia Zhang <ji...@sv.cmu.edu> wrote:
>> Dear Chris and Mentors:
>>
>> Thanks very much for giving us CMDA community this second opportunity!
>>
>> We will follow your advice and learn to build our CMDA community in the
>> Apache family, leveraging Apache best practice.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jia
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Given Lei and Jia’s response, I am OK to give them a few more months
>>> to figure it out, but it’s really got to happen during that time or
>>> we’ll be right back here to square one.
>>>
>>> Lei, and Jia, and CMDA community: you can start by writing an Incubator
>>> report this month that demonstrates the community introspection and the
>>> plan, and then you can follow by interacting here at the ASF, first,
>>> and only, for your project.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/5/16, 12:58 PM, "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
>>> >would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
>>> >give us a three-month probation.
>>> >
>>> >Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
>>> >recruiting a Caltech student into our development
>>> >team via the summer internship program, and getting
>>> >ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
>>> >summer school. We will be reporting the details of
>>> >these activities along the way.
>>> >
>>> >Thanks a lot for your help!
>>> >-Lei
>>> >________________________________________
>>> >From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
>>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
>>> >To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
>>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
>>> >
>>> >Dear Chris and Mentors:
>>> >
>>> >The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We
>>> realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project
>>> but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep
>>> apology from the team.
>>> >
>>> >Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure
>>> and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for
>>> another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a
>>> three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we
>>> will retire the project.
>>> >
>>> >Please let us know your thoughts.
>>> >
>>> >Best regards,
>>> >Jia
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
>>> >> in favor of retiring the podling.
>>> >>
>>> >> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
>>> >> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
>>> >> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
>>> >> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
>>> >> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sincerely,
>>> >> Chris Mattmann
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <
>>> martin.desruisseaux@geomatys.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello John
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but
>>> I'm
>>> >>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Martin
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>>> >>>> All,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state
>>> of the
>>> >>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems
>>> to be
>>> >>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result,
>>> I'm
>>> >>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>>> >>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> John
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> [1]:
>>> >>>>
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>>> >>
>>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Greg Reddin <gr...@gmail.com>.
I too am willing to give the project more time, but I think this will
be one more chance and will be for a limited, specified amount of
time. If we don't see progress in that time (I'd propose maybe three
months?) then we have to retire it.
I'd like to address some specific issues and make sure the community
understands what is needed to resolve them. I'll start a separate
thread to that end.
Thanks,
Greg
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Jia Zhang <ji...@sv.cmu.edu> wrote:
> Dear Chris and Mentors:
>
> Thanks very much for giving us CMDA community this second opportunity!
>
> We will follow your advice and learn to build our CMDA community in the
> Apache family, leveraging Apache best practice.
>
> Best regards,
> Jia
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Given Lei and Jia’s response, I am OK to give them a few more months
>> to figure it out, but it’s really got to happen during that time or
>> we’ll be right back here to square one.
>>
>> Lei, and Jia, and CMDA community: you can start by writing an Incubator
>> report this month that demonstrates the community introspection and the
>> plan, and then you can follow by interacting here at the ASF, first,
>> and only, for your project.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Chief Architect
>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/5/16, 12:58 PM, "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>
>> >Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
>> >would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
>> >give us a three-month probation.
>> >
>> >Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
>> >recruiting a Caltech student into our development
>> >team via the summer internship program, and getting
>> >ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
>> >summer school. We will be reporting the details of
>> >these activities along the way.
>> >
>> >Thanks a lot for your help!
>> >-Lei
>> >________________________________________
>> >From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
>> >To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
>> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
>> >
>> >Dear Chris and Mentors:
>> >
>> >The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We
>> realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project
>> but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep
>> apology from the team.
>> >
>> >Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure
>> and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for
>> another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a
>> three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we
>> will retire the project.
>> >
>> >Please let us know your thoughts.
>> >
>> >Best regards,
>> >Jia
>> >
>> >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
>> >> in favor of retiring the podling.
>> >>
>> >> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
>> >> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
>> >> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
>> >> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
>> >> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Chris Mattmann
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <
>> martin.desruisseaux@geomatys.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello John
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but
>> I'm
>> >>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>> >>>
>> >>> Martin
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>> >>>> All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state
>> of the
>> >>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems
>> to be
>> >>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result,
>> I'm
>> >>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>> >>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>> >>>>
>> >>>> John
>> >>>>
>> >>>> [1]:
>> >>>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>> >>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Jia Zhang <ji...@sv.cmu.edu>.
Dear Chris and Mentors:
Thanks very much for giving us CMDA community this second opportunity!
We will follow your advice and learn to build our CMDA community in the
Apache family, leveraging Apache best practice.
Best regards,
Jia
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:53 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Given Lei and Jia’s response, I am OK to give them a few more months
> to figure it out, but it’s really got to happen during that time or
> we’ll be right back here to square one.
>
> Lei, and Jia, and CMDA community: you can start by writing an Incubator
> report this month that demonstrates the community introspection and the
> plan, and then you can follow by interacting here at the ASF, first,
> and only, for your project.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Chief Architect
> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/5/16, 12:58 PM, "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> >Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
> >would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
> >give us a three-month probation.
> >
> >Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
> >recruiting a Caltech student into our development
> >team via the summer internship program, and getting
> >ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
> >summer school. We will be reporting the details of
> >these activities along the way.
> >
> >Thanks a lot for your help!
> >-Lei
> >________________________________________
> >From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
> >To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
> >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
> >
> >Dear Chris and Mentors:
> >
> >The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We
> realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project
> but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep
> apology from the team.
> >
> >Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure
> and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for
> another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a
> three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we
> will retire the project.
> >
> >Please let us know your thoughts.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >Jia
> >
> >> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
> >> in favor of retiring the podling.
> >>
> >> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
> >> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
> >> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
> >> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
> >> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Chris Mattmann
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <
> martin.desruisseaux@geomatys.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello John
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but
> I'm
> >>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
> >>>
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state
> of the
> >>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems
> to be
> >>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result,
> I'm
> >>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
> >>>>
> >>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> >>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
> >>>>
> >>>> John
> >>>>
> >>>> [1]:
> >>>>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> >>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Given Lei and Jia’s response, I am OK to give them a few more months
to figure it out, but it’s really got to happen during that time or
we’ll be right back here to square one.
Lei, and Jia, and CMDA community: you can start by writing an Incubator
report this month that demonstrates the community introspection and the
plan, and then you can follow by interacting here at the ASF, first,
and only, for your project.
Cheers,
Chris
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 7/5/16, 12:58 PM, "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
>would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
>give us a three-month probation.
>
>Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
>recruiting a Caltech student into our development
>team via the summer internship program, and getting
>ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
>summer school. We will be reporting the details of
>these activities along the way.
>
>Thanks a lot for your help!
>-Lei
>________________________________________
>From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
>To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
>
>Dear Chris and Mentors:
>
>The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep apology from the team.
>
>Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we will retire the project.
>
>Please let us know your thoughts.
>
>Best regards,
>Jia
>
>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
>> in favor of retiring the podling.
>>
>> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
>> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
>> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
>> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
>> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Chris Mattmann
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello John
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
>>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
>>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
>>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
>>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>>>
>>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> [1]:
>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>>
RE: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "Pan, Lei (398K)" <le...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Like Jia said, we would like to stay and therefore
would appreciate it greatly if the mentors could
give us a three-month probation.
Our latest efforts in creating a CMDA community include
recruiting a Caltech student into our development
team via the summer internship program, and getting
ready to serve as the tool for the Caltech/JPL climate
summer school. We will be reporting the details of
these activities along the way.
Thanks a lot for your help!
-Lei
________________________________________
From: Jia Zhang [jia.zhang@west.cmu.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:01 AM
To: dev@cmda.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Dear Chris and Mentors:
The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep apology from the team.
Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we will retire the project.
Please let us know your thoughts.
Best regards,
Jia
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
> in favor of retiring the podling.
>
> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris Mattmann
>
>
>
>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello John
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>>> All,
>>>
>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> [1]:
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Martin Desruisseaux <ma...@geomatys.com>.
Hello all
I'm not a mentor of CMDA, but I would be happy if they could have this
chance. I talked about CMDA to local director of IRD (a French
governmental organization trying to help developing countries) and he
was quite interested in this project. Even if they do not participate
directly, some are watching.
I'm myself interesting in doing some little contributions, if they are
pertinent. For example I'm interested in the relationship with
international standards (OGC and ISO), if there is an interest for that.
Best regards,
Martin
Le 05/07/16 � 20:01, Jia Zhang a �crit :
> Dear Chris and Mentors:
>
> The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep apology from the team.
>
> Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we will retire the project.
>
> Please let us know your thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Jia
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Jia Zhang <ji...@west.cmu.edu>.
Dear Chris and Mentors:
The team had a meeting to retrospect our Apache Incubator experience. We realized that the team has put a lot of intention to building the project but put insufficient efforts on fulfilling Apache requirements. Our deep apology from the team.
Now that we have understood the importance of following Apache procedure and smoothing and documenting all communications, we would like to ask for another chance to work on the incubator project. Say, we would ask for a three month of testing time frame. If we fail to meet the requirement, we will retire the project.
Please let us know your thoughts.
Best regards,
Jia
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
> in favor of retiring the podling.
>
> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris Mattmann
>
>
>
>> On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello John
>>
>> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
>> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>> Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>>> All,
>>>
>>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
>>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
>>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
>>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> [1]:
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Greg Reddin <gr...@gmail.com>.
As a fellow mentor I have to agree with Chris. We've tried on numerous
occasions to help the developers understand the need for public,
community-based work. They just don't seem to be getting it. I get the
feeling that the nature of this project sort of requires this type of
directed development instead of community-driven development.
So I'm a reluctant +1.
Greg
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
> in favor of retiring the podling.
>
> The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
> the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
> the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
> it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
> Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris Mattmann
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
As a mentor, this is a difficult decision for me. Overall, I am +1
in favor of retiring the podling.
The podling has been given ample time to discuss and make use of
the Apache mentorship and community and its actions have shown that
the mentality for development is unfortunately different. I believe
it is in the best interests of both the community for CMDA and the
Apache community to retire the podling at this point in time.
Sincerely,
Chris Mattmann
On 7/5/16, 8:57 AM, "Martin Desruisseaux" <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
>Hello John
>
>Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
>not sure to understand what "podling" means?
>
> Martin
>
>
>Le 03/07/16 à 15:27, John D. Ament a écrit :
>> All,
>>
>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>
>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>
>> John
>>
>> [1]:
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On 2016-07-05 11:57 (-0400), Martin Desruisseaux <ma...@geomatys.com> wrote:
> Hello John
>
> Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
> not sure to understand what "podling" means?
Podling is the name the ASF associates with sub-projects in the incubator, as best as I can describe it. Basically, if the incubator is responsible for turning these communities into projects, the one word title for that community while they're under the incubator is "podling."
The reasoning behind this retirement vote is:
- CMDA still does not commit to the ASF first.
- CMDA still does not publicly discuss the inner workings of their project on ASF lists, in addition to generally low activity on the lists.
- CMDA has consistently been difficult to get reports from.
After a year, the podling should have made strives. The first bullet point is the most critical one, as it limits community involvement. Basically you would need to have access to whatever private repository is receiving commits to interact.
John
>
> Martin
>
>
> Le 03/07/16 \ufffd 15:27, John D. Ament a \ufffdcrit :
> > All,
> >
> > There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
> > podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
> > external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
> > calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
> >
> > [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> > [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
> >
> > John
> >
> > [1]:
> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> >
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Martin Desruisseaux <ma...@geomatys.com>.
Hello John
Sorry for the delay. I saw the thread and the call for the vote, but I'm
not sure to understand what "podling" means?
Martin
Le 03/07/16 � 15:27, John D. Ament a �crit :
> All,
>
> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>
> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>
> John
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>
Re: [CANCEL] [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by Jia Zhang <ji...@sv.cmu.edu>.
Dear John:
Thanks for your giving us the 2nd chance.
Best regards,
Jia
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 3:02 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Based on the discussions, I'm canceling the vote.
>
> Chris/Greg, do you want to mark the podling as monthly for an extra 3
> months?
>
> John
>
> On 2016-07-03 09:27 (-0400), "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of
> the
> > podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to
> be
> > external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
> > calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
> >
> > [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> > [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
> >
> > John
> >
> > [1]:
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
> >
>
Re: [CANCEL] [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Thanks John.
If no one beats me to it, I’ll do so this weekend.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Director, Information Retrieval and Data Science Group (IRDS)
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
WWW: http://irds.usc.edu/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On 7/7/16, 3:02 PM, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>All,
>
>Based on the discussions, I'm canceling the vote.
>
>Chris/Greg, do you want to mark the podling as monthly for an extra 3 months?
>
>John
>
>On 2016-07-03 09:27 (-0400), "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
>> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
>> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
>> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>>
>> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
>> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>>
>> John
>>
>> [1]:
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>>
[CANCEL] [VOTE] Retire the CMDA Podling
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
All,
Based on the discussions, I'm canceling the vote.
Chris/Greg, do you want to mark the podling as monthly for an extra 3 months?
John
On 2016-07-03 09:27 (-0400), "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> There was a discussion recently [1] started by Chris about the state of the
> podling. I'm concerned about lack of public activity, and what seems to be
> external forces who control the state of the podling. As a result, I'm
> calling a vote to retire the CMDA podling.
>
> [ ] +1 to retire CMDA from the Incubator
> [ ] -1 to keep CMDA in the Incubator
>
> John
>
> [1]:
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/3c341a6f977e1e650980fb0c66f8669e428c98bc2e8c130d6f948d21@%3Cdev.cmda.apache.org%3E
>