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Posted to dev@wicket.apache.org by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org> on 2006/12/04 17:49:14 UTC
[VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
See thread [1]« ListView in a <form> sucks » for background
information on this.
As stated by Eelco, the idea is: « to move at least a bunch of
[2]repeaters to the core project and give them more visibility by
replacing a couple of the list view based examples we have now
with repeaters. »
Some citations:
« It is very easy to miss those great
extensions, just because they are not in core. »
« ListView is fragile »
« Regardless of the problems people have with list views -
most think the repeaters work better anyway. »
So please cast your votes:
[ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
in the extensions
[ ] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
core and deprecate ListView
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/
[1] http://www.nabble.com/ListView-in-a-%3Cform%3E-sucks-tf2717109.html#a7575558
[2] http://wicketframework.org/wicket-extensions/apidocs/wicket/extensions/markup/html/repeater/RepeatingView.html
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org>.
* Eelco Hillenius:
> Though we don't have to actually deprecate ListView. I think
> just a couple of @see tags and some explanation that you might
> prefer a repeater when working with database would be enough
> imo.
We should at least deprecate ListView.setReuseItems(true), used
when a ListView is nested in a form.
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On 12/4/06, Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>> > I don't like to deprecate listview. It has enough good usecases to
>> > keep it and promote its use. And furthermore, I would like to know
>> > *which* repeaters move to core...
>> >
>> > Therefore: -1 for the proposal (either outcome)
>>
>> Is this a formal veto for the whole thing, or would you accept it if we
>> move some repeaters to core and don't deprecate ListView?
>
> As the proposal currently stands it is a veto. If the proposal is
> amended/changed, I will change my vote. The current proposal just
> doesn't leave much room for the middle way.
> In this particular case, I found the premise bad: ListView does not
> suck, and should remain in core.
Right, but what haven't you stated this when voting -1? That would have
helped people realize that another approach is possible, especially when
it's as simple as not deprecating ListView.
> I really don't like votes where halfway through the voting subjects
> change. This is a horrible precedent, and clouds the meaning of
> earlier votes. On the other hand, starting 5 vote threads to get one
> thing fixed is also not helpful and just as bad.
I don't see it like that. A vote was started, whose propositions led you
to raise a veto. Now although a veto blocks the modification, it should
be justified [1] to allow further discussion and alternative proposals,
i.e. trigger the community dynamics. Such alternative proposals can then
lead to a new vote, which is what happened here.
My 0.02 €
Sylvain
[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#Veto
--
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Re: Re: Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 12/4/06, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> then you shouldve stated so! :)
He's baaaaackk! :D
Martijn
>
> -igor
>
>
> On 12/4/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 12/4/06, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > see the new thread. it is pretty specific.
> >
> > Done, however, I would like it better if the original poster would
> > have done so. It is his proposal.
> >
> > Martijn
> >
>
>
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Re: Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
then you shouldve stated so! :)
-igor
On 12/4/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/4/06, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > see the new thread. it is pretty specific.
>
> Done, however, I would like it better if the original poster would
> have done so. It is his proposal.
>
> Martijn
>
Re: Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 12/4/06, Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com> wrote:
> see the new thread. it is pretty specific.
Done, however, I would like it better if the original poster would
have done so. It is his proposal.
Martijn
Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
see the new thread. it is pretty specific.
-igor
On 12/4/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 12/4/06, Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > > I don't like to deprecate listview. It has enough good usecases to
> > > keep it and promote its use. And furthermore, I would like to know
> > > *which* repeaters move to core...
> > >
> > > Therefore: -1 for the proposal (either outcome)
> >
> > Is this a formal veto for the whole thing, or would you accept it if we
> > move some repeaters to core and don't deprecate ListView?
>
> As the proposal currently stands it is a veto. If the proposal is
> amended/changed, I will change my vote. The current proposal just
> doesn't leave much room for the middle way.
> In this particular case, I found the premise bad: ListView does not
> suck, and should remain in core.
>
> I really don't like votes where halfway through the voting subjects
> change. This is a horrible precedent, and clouds the meaning of
> earlier votes. On the other hand, starting 5 vote threads to get one
> thing fixed is also not helpful and just as bad.
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 12/4/06, Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org> wrote:
> Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> > I don't like to deprecate listview. It has enough good usecases to
> > keep it and promote its use. And furthermore, I would like to know
> > *which* repeaters move to core...
> >
> > Therefore: -1 for the proposal (either outcome)
>
> Is this a formal veto for the whole thing, or would you accept it if we
> move some repeaters to core and don't deprecate ListView?
As the proposal currently stands it is a veto. If the proposal is
amended/changed, I will change my vote. The current proposal just
doesn't leave much room for the middle way.
In this particular case, I found the premise bad: ListView does not
suck, and should remain in core.
I really don't like votes where halfway through the voting subjects
change. This is a horrible precedent, and clouds the meaning of
earlier votes. On the other hand, starting 5 vote threads to get one
thing fixed is also not helpful and just as bad.
Martijn
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Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@apache.org>.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> I don't like to deprecate listview. It has enough good usecases to
> keep it and promote its use. And furthermore, I would like to know
> *which* repeaters move to core...
>
> Therefore: -1 for the proposal (either outcome)
Is this a formal veto for the whole thing, or would you accept it if we
move some repeaters to core and don't deprecate ListView?
Sylvain
--
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Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com>.
> I would like to know
> *which* repeaters move to core...
That could be another proposal for which we need some to time to
settle which ones. The point of this vote is to get clear whether we
want to keep the things as they are, or that we want to put some more
weight on the repeaters instead of listview.
Eelco
Re: Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
I don't like to deprecate listview. It has enough good usecases to
keep it and promote its use. And furthermore, I would like to know
*which* repeaters move to core...
Therefore: -1 for the proposal (either outcome)
Martijn
On 12/4/06, Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
> in the extensions
>
> [ x ] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
> core and deprecate ListView
>
> Eelco (binding)
>
> Though we don't have to actually deprecate ListView. I think just a
> couple of @see tags and some explanation that you might prefer a
> repeater when working with database would be enough imo.
>
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Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Eelco Hillenius <ee...@gmail.com>.
> So please cast your votes:
[ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
in the extensions
[ x ] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
core and deprecate ListView
Eelco (binding)
Though we don't have to actually deprecate ListView. I think just a
couple of @see tags and some explanation that you might prefer a
repeater when working with database would be enough imo.
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Igor Vaynberg <ig...@gmail.com>.
>
>
> [ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
> in the extensions
>
> [X] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
> core (and deprecate ListView) <== skip that
>
-igor
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Matej Knopp <ma...@knopp.sk>.
Well, just to specify my vote closely, I'm for adding DataView and all
it's superclasses (RefreshingView, ...) in the core.
And I'm against making ListView deprecated.
-Matej
Matej Knopp wrote:
>
> Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
>> See thread [1]« ListView in a <form> sucks » for background
>> information on this.
>>
>> As stated by Eelco, the idea is: « to move at least a bunch of
>> [2]repeaters to the core project and give them more visibility by
>> replacing a couple of the list view based examples we have now
>> with repeaters. »
>>
>> Some citations:
>>
>> « It is very easy to miss those great
>> extensions, just because they are not in core. »
>>
>> « ListView is fragile »
>>
>> « Regardless of the problems people have with list views -
>> most think the repeaters work better anyway. »
>>
>>
>> So please cast your votes:
>>
>> [ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
>> in the extensions
>>
> [X] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
> core and deprecate ListView
>
> -Matej (binding)
>
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Matej Knopp <ma...@knopp.sk>.
Jean-Baptiste Quenot wrote:
> See thread [1]« ListView in a <form> sucks » for background
> information on this.
>
> As stated by Eelco, the idea is: « to move at least a bunch of
> [2]repeaters to the core project and give them more visibility by
> replacing a couple of the list view based examples we have now
> with repeaters. »
>
> Some citations:
>
> « It is very easy to miss those great
> extensions, just because they are not in core. »
>
> « ListView is fragile »
>
> « Regardless of the problems people have with list views -
> most think the repeaters work better anyway. »
>
>
> So please cast your votes:
>
> [ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
> in the extensions
>
[X] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
core and deprecate ListView
-Matej (binding)
Re: [VOTE] Moving the wicket-extension's repeater package to core
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Quenot <jb...@apache.org>.
Here's my non-binding +1:
> [ ] Leave ListView in core unchanged and let the repeaters forever
> in the extensions
>
> [X] Move at least a bunch of repeaters from wicket-extensions into
> core and deprecate ListView
--
Jean-Baptiste Quenot
aka John Banana Qwerty
http://caraldi.com/jbq/