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Posted to users@maven.apache.org by Arik Kfir <ar...@gmail.com> on 2005/12/14 18:36:44 UTC
Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Hi,
Sorry for butting in - but how about adding some (willing) people as
administrators of *parts* of the ibiblio repo? I for example wouldn't
mind being responsible for managing, say, the jboss section. This
means that the admin only has permissions for that particular
directory of the ibiblio repo and he/she need only to concentrate on
that (new versions, POM fixes).
We can thus divide the workload between the community and let the core
Maven team concentrate more on the core product. In addition, if every
admin is responsible for a group of products he/she are using anyway,
I'm sure the quality of the POMs and their maintenance will go up as
well.
What do you think?
On 12/14/05, Ralph Pöllath <li...@poellath.org> wrote:
> On 14.12.2005, at 10:14, cameron101 wrote:
> > It would be great if the likes of Spring / Hibernate and other
> > mainstream
> > OSS vendors released new versions to Maven with all the POM's and
> > direct
> > dependencies. They themselves would benefit as the community would
> > probably
> > have a faster take up of new technologies and therefore progress the
> > discovery and fixing of bugs and new functionality.
>
> Unfortunately, this sounds highly unlikely for Spring. They just
> demoed their build system "common-build" at the Spring Experience
> conference which is based on Ivy:
> http://www.jroller.com/page/raible?
> entry=spring_agile_development_challenges_by
>
> So yes, I agree we need more lobbying. I love Spring, but I don't
> need yet another build system.
>
> Cheers,
> -Ralph.
>
> > On 13/12/05, Srepfler Srgjan <sr...@lnksystem.com> wrote:
> >> I personally think that we should lobby for grater use of maven2.
> >> I mean
> >> with all respect to maven you team just can't and shouldn't handle
> >> this
> >> enormous repository. I mean the hibernate guys should build their
> >> libs
> >> with m2 pom and also house the libs themselves. I mean we can't
> >> really
> >> bother your people for every little thing like hibernate annotation
> >> 3.1beta*7* or something else I mean come on, you have lives too :)
> >> Same thing goes for spring libraries, or any other project.
>
>
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Arik Kfir <ar...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, that's what I meant :)
On 12/15/05, Christian Schulte <cs...@schulte.it> wrote:
> Alexandre Poitras schrieb:
>
> > Nah only correcting errors. Lot of POMs are invalid right now.
>
> Ah ok. So fixing a pom which did not work before...
>
> --
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Christian Schulte <cs...@schulte.it>.
Alexandre Poitras schrieb:
> Nah only correcting errors. Lot of POMs are invalid right now.
Ah ok. So fixing a pom which did not work before...
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Alexandre Poitras <al...@gmail.com>.
Nah only correcting errors. Lot of POMs are invalid right now.
On 12/14/05, Christian Schulte <cs...@schulte.it> wrote:
> Arik Kfir schrieb:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry for butting in - but how about adding some (willing) people as
> > administrators of *parts* of the ibiblio repo? I for example wouldn't
> > mind being responsible for managing, say, the jboss section. This
> > means that the admin only has permissions for that particular
> > directory of the ibiblio repo and he/she need only to concentrate on
> > that (new versions, POM fixes).
>
> Hmm...POM fixes !?! Fixing a POM means making a new release, or ? I
> definitely would not want any deployed artifact to change in the
> repository once deployed. That would mean having to permanently monitor
> the repository for changes.
>
> --
> Christian
>
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Christian Schulte <cs...@schulte.it>.
Arik Kfir schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for butting in - but how about adding some (willing) people as
> administrators of *parts* of the ibiblio repo? I for example wouldn't
> mind being responsible for managing, say, the jboss section. This
> means that the admin only has permissions for that particular
> directory of the ibiblio repo and he/she need only to concentrate on
> that (new versions, POM fixes).
Hmm...POM fixes !?! Fixing a POM means making a new release, or ? I
definitely would not want any deployed artifact to change in the
repository once deployed. That would mean having to permanently monitor
the repository for changes.
--
Christian
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Srepfler Srgjan <sr...@lnksystem.com>.
Brett Porter wrote:
>This is exactly what we plan to do. There is work under way to set up
>the necessary permission system and web of trust. Ideally, it will be
>the projects themselves doing so, but we realise this won't always be
>the case.
>
>BTW, we just did a big key signing at ApacheCon. If you ever wind up
>at a face to face with other people in the community, make sure you
>create and sign each others PGP keys!
>
>Cheers,
>Brett
>
>
Sounds like a great initiative, it'll help us manage the repo, it'll
benefit the upstream devs and the downstream devs as well.
I believe that if a project comes out that already uses m2 they should
be allowed to manage their own repos, what do you think?
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Arik Kfir <ar...@gmail.com>.
This sounds great brett - glad to hear that.
On 12/14/05, Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is exactly what we plan to do. There is work under way to set up
> the necessary permission system and web of trust. Ideally, it will be
> the projects themselves doing so, but we realise this won't always be
> the case.
>
> BTW, we just did a big key signing at ApacheCon. If you ever wind up
> at a face to face with other people in the community, make sure you
> create and sign each others PGP keys!
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
> On 12/14/05, Arik Kfir <ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Sorry for butting in - but how about adding some (willing) people as
> > administrators of *parts* of the ibiblio repo? I for example wouldn't
> > mind being responsible for managing, say, the jboss section. This
> > means that the admin only has permissions for that particular
> > directory of the ibiblio repo and he/she need only to concentrate on
> > that (new versions, POM fixes).
> >
> > We can thus divide the workload between the community and let the core
> > Maven team concentrate more on the core product. In addition, if every
> > admin is responsible for a group of products he/she are using anyway,
> > I'm sure the quality of the POMs and their maintenance will go up as
> > well.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > On 12/14/05, Ralph Pöllath <li...@poellath.org> wrote:
> > > On 14.12.2005, at 10:14, cameron101 wrote:
> > > > It would be great if the likes of Spring / Hibernate and other
> > > > mainstream
> > > > OSS vendors released new versions to Maven with all the POM's and
> > > > direct
> > > > dependencies. They themselves would benefit as the community would
> > > > probably
> > > > have a faster take up of new technologies and therefore progress the
> > > > discovery and fixing of bugs and new functionality.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, this sounds highly unlikely for Spring. They just
> > > demoed their build system "common-build" at the Spring Experience
> > > conference which is based on Ivy:
> > > http://www.jroller.com/page/raible?
> > > entry=spring_agile_development_challenges_by
> > >
> > > So yes, I agree we need more lobbying. I love Spring, but I don't
> > > need yet another build system.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Ralph.
> > >
> > > > On 13/12/05, Srepfler Srgjan <sr...@lnksystem.com> wrote:
> > > >> I personally think that we should lobby for grater use of maven2.
> > > >> I mean
> > > >> with all respect to maven you team just can't and shouldn't handle
> > > >> this
> > > >> enormous repository. I mean the hibernate guys should build their
> > > >> libs
> > > >> with m2 pom and also house the libs themselves. I mean we can't
> > > >> really
> > > >> bother your people for every little thing like hibernate annotation
> > > >> 3.1beta*7* or something else I mean come on, you have lives too :)
> > > >> Same thing goes for spring libraries, or any other project.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [m2] [evangelism] [suggestion] New libraries coming out
Posted by Brett Porter <br...@gmail.com>.
This is exactly what we plan to do. There is work under way to set up
the necessary permission system and web of trust. Ideally, it will be
the projects themselves doing so, but we realise this won't always be
the case.
BTW, we just did a big key signing at ApacheCon. If you ever wind up
at a face to face with other people in the community, make sure you
create and sign each others PGP keys!
Cheers,
Brett
On 12/14/05, Arik Kfir <ar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for butting in - but how about adding some (willing) people as
> administrators of *parts* of the ibiblio repo? I for example wouldn't
> mind being responsible for managing, say, the jboss section. This
> means that the admin only has permissions for that particular
> directory of the ibiblio repo and he/she need only to concentrate on
> that (new versions, POM fixes).
>
> We can thus divide the workload between the community and let the core
> Maven team concentrate more on the core product. In addition, if every
> admin is responsible for a group of products he/she are using anyway,
> I'm sure the quality of the POMs and their maintenance will go up as
> well.
>
> What do you think?
>
> On 12/14/05, Ralph Pöllath <li...@poellath.org> wrote:
> > On 14.12.2005, at 10:14, cameron101 wrote:
> > > It would be great if the likes of Spring / Hibernate and other
> > > mainstream
> > > OSS vendors released new versions to Maven with all the POM's and
> > > direct
> > > dependencies. They themselves would benefit as the community would
> > > probably
> > > have a faster take up of new technologies and therefore progress the
> > > discovery and fixing of bugs and new functionality.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this sounds highly unlikely for Spring. They just
> > demoed their build system "common-build" at the Spring Experience
> > conference which is based on Ivy:
> > http://www.jroller.com/page/raible?
> > entry=spring_agile_development_challenges_by
> >
> > So yes, I agree we need more lobbying. I love Spring, but I don't
> > need yet another build system.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Ralph.
> >
> > > On 13/12/05, Srepfler Srgjan <sr...@lnksystem.com> wrote:
> > >> I personally think that we should lobby for grater use of maven2.
> > >> I mean
> > >> with all respect to maven you team just can't and shouldn't handle
> > >> this
> > >> enormous repository. I mean the hibernate guys should build their
> > >> libs
> > >> with m2 pom and also house the libs themselves. I mean we can't
> > >> really
> > >> bother your people for every little thing like hibernate annotation
> > >> 3.1beta*7* or something else I mean come on, you have lives too :)
> > >> Same thing goes for spring libraries, or any other project.
> >
> >
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