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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com> on 2012/01/17 11:11:55 UTC
Re: [OT] TC7 + AntCompiler problems with whitespace in pathname
Kees Jan Koster wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>> Now about whether this is a bug in Tomcat or its documentation : I am fairly sure that not long ago, I saw a strong warning somewhere in the on-line Tomcat documentation, about not using spaces in pathnames somewhere, as it was not supported by some component.
>
> Perhaps the Tomcat start script can issue a warning in case spaces are found in the path?
>
You know, I think that this is a lost battle. The habit is by now so entrenched that
there is probably nothing anyone can do by now to extirpate this, other than designing a
new OS where this is forbidden. And you'd still have to deal with funny imported foreign
file names and paths.
But I keep on reacting to issues to do with withespace in pathnames, just because I
believe that there is not one programmer alive in the whole world, who has not had some
problem with this at some point.
So if you can save yourself the trouble, by installing Tomcat in some pathname which makes
sense and is not a pain to type and forget to quote somewhere, you'll always do yourself a
favor in the end.
P.S. In our current globalised world, similar issues exist with filenames containing
characters that can perhaps be displayed everywhere, but not /typed/ on all keyboards.
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Re: [OT] TC7 + AntCompiler problems with whitespace in pathname
Posted by ep...@orpheus.fr.
> So if you can save yourself the trouble, by installing Tomcat in some
> pathname which makes
Yes, we can deploy in C:\TC7 or /opt/TC7 instead of "C:\Program
Files\blahbla" or "/opt/apache/tomcat 7.0.23".
But, especially on Windows, where all applications live in "C:\Program
Files", this is disruptive for admin people. This is also surprising for
dev / architects because the default Tomcat installer deploys within
"C:\Program Files\Apache Software Foundation": spaces everywhere.
Reading answers to my mail, I understand this looks like a lost battle.
=> Do you think I should fill a bug, at least to help the next ones who
will encounter the same problem?
Thank you everybody.
> Kees Jan Koster wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>>> Now about whether this is a bug in Tomcat or its documentation : I am
>>> fairly sure that not long ago, I saw a strong warning somewhere in the
>>> on-line Tomcat documentation, about not using spaces in pathnames
>>> somewhere, as it was not supported by some component.
>>
>> Perhaps the Tomcat start script can issue a warning in case spaces are
>> found in the path?
>>
> You know, I think that this is a lost battle. The habit is by now so
> entrenched that
> there is probably nothing anyone can do by now to extirpate this, other
> than designing a
> new OS where this is forbidden. And you'd still have to deal with funny
> imported foreign
> file names and paths.
> But I keep on reacting to issues to do with withespace in pathnames, just
> because I
> believe that there is not one programmer alive in the whole world, who has
> not had some
> problem with this at some point.
> So if you can save yourself the trouble, by installing Tomcat in some
> pathname which makes
> sense and is not a pain to type and forget to quote somewhere, you'll
> always do yourself a
> favor in the end.
>
> P.S. In our current globalised world, similar issues exist with filenames
> containing
> characters that can perhaps be displayed everywhere, but not /typed/ on
> all keyboards.
>
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Re: [OT] TC7 + AntCompiler problems with whitespace in pathname
Posted by Konstantin Kolinko <kn...@gmail.com>.
2012/1/17 Kees Jan Koster <kj...@gmail.com>:
> On 17 jan. 2012, at 11:11, André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com> wrote:
>
>> Kees Jan Koster wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>> Now about whether this is a bug in Tomcat or its documentation : I am fairly sure that not long ago, I saw a strong warning somewhere in the on-line Tomcat documentation, about not using spaces in pathnames somewhere, as it was not supported by some component.
>>> Perhaps the Tomcat start script can issue a warning in case spaces are found in the path?
>> You know, I think that this is a lost battle. The habit is by now so entrenched that there is probably nothing anyone can do by now to extirpate this, other than designing a new OS where this is forbidden. And you'd still have to deal with funny imported foreign file names and paths.
>> But I keep on reacting to issues to do with withespace in pathnames, just because I believe that there is not one programmer alive in the whole world, who has not had some problem with this at some point.
>> So if you can save yourself the trouble, by installing Tomcat in some pathname which makes sense and is not a pain to type and forget to quote somewhere, you'll always do yourself a favor in the end.
>>
>> P.S. In our current globalised world, similar issues exist with filenames containing characters that can perhaps be displayed everywhere, but not /typed/ on
>>
>
> Agreed on the lost battle part. My suggestion is merely to help people who never experienced path issues like this before. It gives them a place to start looking when tomcat does not work for them.
>
> That is why I suggest to issue a warning and not rewrite the OS.
>
Installing into "Program Files" is per se flawed starting with
Microsoft's Vista. There are several reported problems in
http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Windows
I mean, it is good place for CATALINA_HOME, but bad one for CATALINA_BASE.
It is good if you are just using Tomcat installed there with Eclipse
IDE (which creates its own CATALINA_BASE), but bad if you are really
going to run Tomcat from there.
Best regards,
Konstantin Kolinko
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Re: [OT] TC7 + AntCompiler problems with whitespace in pathname
Posted by Kees Jan Koster <kj...@gmail.com>.
On 17 jan. 2012, at 11:11, André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com> wrote:
> Kees Jan Koster wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>> Now about whether this is a bug in Tomcat or its documentation : I am fairly sure that not long ago, I saw a strong warning somewhere in the on-line Tomcat documentation, about not using spaces in pathnames somewhere, as it was not supported by some component.
>> Perhaps the Tomcat start script can issue a warning in case spaces are found in the path?
> You know, I think that this is a lost battle. The habit is by now so entrenched that there is probably nothing anyone can do by now to extirpate this, other than designing a new OS where this is forbidden. And you'd still have to deal with funny imported foreign file names and paths.
> But I keep on reacting to issues to do with withespace in pathnames, just because I believe that there is not one programmer alive in the whole world, who has not had some problem with this at some point.
> So if you can save yourself the trouble, by installing Tomcat in some pathname which makes sense and is not a pain to type and forget to quote somewhere, you'll always do yourself a favor in the end.
>
> P.S. In our current globalised world, similar issues exist with filenames containing characters that can perhaps be displayed everywhere, but not /typed/ on
>
Agreed on the lost battle part. My suggestion is merely to help people who never experienced path issues like this before. It gives them a place to start looking when tomcat does not work for them.
That is why I suggest to issue a warning and not rewrite the OS.
Kees Jan
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