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Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Here is my second round of proposed changes.
I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames, Sections and
Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
"Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on to
these topics.
Tables and Images would get their own pages.
Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
Current outline:
1. Getting to know Writer
1. Writer's User Interface
2. Writer's Sidebar
3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
information)
5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
2. Working with Text
1. Numbered list and bullets
Proposed outline:
1. Getting to know Writer
1. Writer's User Interface
2. Writer's Sidebar
2. Working with Text
1. Numbered list and bullets
2. Autotext
3. Formatting Pages
1. Frames
2. Sections
4. Tables
5. Images and OLE Objects
Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Natasha Selvey wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Here is my second round of proposed changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames,
>> Sections
>>>> and
>>>>> Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
>>>>> "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on
>> to
>>>>> these topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tables and Images would get their own pages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
>>>>>
>>>>> Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Current outline:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Getting to know Writer
>>>>> 1. Writer's User Interface
>>>>> 2. Writer's Sidebar
>>>>> 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
>>>>> 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
>>>>> information)
>>>>> 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
>>>>> 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
>>>>> 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
>>>>> 2. Working with Text
>>>>> 1. Numbered list and bullets
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposed outline:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Getting to know Writer
>>>>> 1. Writer's User Interface
>>>>> 2. Writer's Sidebar
>>>>> 2. Working with Text
>>>>> 1. Numbered list and bullets
>>>>> 2. Autotext
>>>>> 3. Formatting Pages
>>>>> 1. Frames
>>>>> 2. Sections
>>>>> 4. Tables
>>>>> 5. Images and OLE Objects
>>>>>
>>>>> Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
>>>>
>>>> Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
>>>> pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content"
>> that
>>>> are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
>>>> document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
>>>> styles and page breaks.
>>>>
>>>> I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not
>> sure
>>>> which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not
>>> really
>>>> appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit
>>> that
>>>> it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this
>> line?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
>>> frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a
>> layout?
>>> Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
>>> layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
>>>
>>
>> As I see it, layout is related with formatting. The main point is that
>> both, sections and frames can be "pushed" to different pages so they do not
>> belong to any page. In a sense, sections and frames set "boundaries" for
>> blocks of content, but those blocks can be moved, so what about
>>
>> "Bounding" Content: Frames and Sections
>>
>> or
>>
>> "Enclosing" Content: Frames and Sections
>>
>> I think this (or something similar, my English is limited) gives the idea
>> of how both elements work: they enclose arbitrary content on definite
>> limits. One (sections) with the possibility to expand on top of several
>> pages, the other (frames) living only on one page.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Regards
>> Ricardo
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Natasha Selvey
>>>
>>
>
> That sounds good to me. I may have to think about a topic page title a
> little more, I want it to be clear to the reader. Something like
> "Containing content with frames and sections" or simply "Working with
> frames and sections".
>
> -Natasha
>
I believe that Working with Frames and Sections sounds better than
"Containg Content with..."
regards
Keith
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Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by Alex Stillwell <al...@gmail.com>.
Keep it simple - I like 'Working with boundaries, frames and sections'
Alex
-----Original Message-----
From: Natasha Selvey
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:36 PM
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Here is my second round of proposed changes.
> > > >
> > > > I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames,
> Sections
> > > and
> > > > Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> > > > "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on
> to
> > > > these topics.
> > > >
> > > > Tables and Images would get their own pages.
> > > >
> > > > Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
> > > >
> > > > Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
> > > >
> > > > Current outline:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > > 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> > > > 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> > > > information)
> > > > 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > > 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > > 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> > > > 2. Working with Text
> > > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > >
> > > > Proposed outline:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > > 2. Working with Text
> > > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > > 2. Autotext
> > > > 3. Formatting Pages
> > > > 1. Frames
> > > > 2. Sections
> > > > 4. Tables
> > > > 5. Images and OLE Objects
> > > >
> > > > Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
> > >
> > > Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about
> > > formatting
> > > pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content"
> that
> > > are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
> > > document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
> > > styles and page breaks.
> > >
> > > I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not
> sure
> > > which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not
> > really
> > > appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit
> > that
> > > it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this
> line?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
> > frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a
> layout?
> > Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
> > layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
> >
>
> As I see it, layout is related with formatting. The main point is that
> both, sections and frames can be "pushed" to different pages so they do
> not
> belong to any page. In a sense, sections and frames set "boundaries" for
> blocks of content, but those blocks can be moved, so what about
>
> "Bounding" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> or
>
> "Enclosing" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> I think this (or something similar, my English is limited) gives the idea
> of how both elements work: they enclose arbitrary content on definite
> limits. One (sections) with the possibility to expand on top of several
> pages, the other (frames) living only on one page.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> > Natasha Selvey
> >
>
That sounds good to me. I may have to think about a topic page title a
little more, I want it to be clear to the reader. Something like
"Containing content with frames and sections" or simply "Working with
frames and sections".
-Natasha
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Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
>
> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Here is my second round of proposed changes.
> > > >
> > > > I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames,
> Sections
> > > and
> > > > Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> > > > "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on
> to
> > > > these topics.
> > > >
> > > > Tables and Images would get their own pages.
> > > >
> > > > Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
> > > >
> > > > Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
> > > >
> > > > Current outline:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > > 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> > > > 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> > > > information)
> > > > 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > > 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > > 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> > > > 2. Working with Text
> > > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > >
> > > > Proposed outline:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > > 2. Working with Text
> > > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > > 2. Autotext
> > > > 3. Formatting Pages
> > > > 1. Frames
> > > > 2. Sections
> > > > 4. Tables
> > > > 5. Images and OLE Objects
> > > >
> > > > Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
> > >
> > > Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
> > > pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content"
> that
> > > are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
> > > document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
> > > styles and page breaks.
> > >
> > > I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not
> sure
> > > which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not
> > really
> > > appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit
> > that
> > > it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this
> line?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
> > frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a
> layout?
> > Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
> > layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
> >
>
> As I see it, layout is related with formatting. The main point is that
> both, sections and frames can be "pushed" to different pages so they do not
> belong to any page. In a sense, sections and frames set "boundaries" for
> blocks of content, but those blocks can be moved, so what about
>
> "Bounding" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> or
>
> "Enclosing" Content: Frames and Sections
>
> I think this (or something similar, my English is limited) gives the idea
> of how both elements work: they enclose arbitrary content on definite
> limits. One (sections) with the possibility to expand on top of several
> pages, the other (frames) living only on one page.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Regards
> Ricardo
>
>
>
> >
> > Natasha Selvey
> >
>
That sounds good to me. I may have to think about a topic page title a
little more, I want it to be clear to the reader. Something like
"Containing content with frames and sections" or simply "Working with
frames and sections".
-Natasha
Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rgb.mldc@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Here is my second round of proposed changes.
> > >
> > > I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames, Sections
> > and
> > > Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> > > "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on to
> > > these topics.
> > >
> > > Tables and Images would get their own pages.
> > >
> > > Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
> > >
> > > Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
> > >
> > > Current outline:
> > >
> > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> > > 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> > > information)
> > > 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > > 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> > > 2. Working with Text
> > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > >
> > > Proposed outline:
> > >
> > > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > > 2. Working with Text
> > > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > > 2. Autotext
> > > 3. Formatting Pages
> > > 1. Frames
> > > 2. Sections
> > > 4. Tables
> > > 5. Images and OLE Objects
> > >
> > > Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
> >
> > Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
> > pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content" that
> > are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
> > document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
> > styles and page breaks.
> >
> > I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not sure
> > which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not
> really
> > appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit
> that
> > it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this line?
> >
> >
> >
> Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
> frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a layout?
> Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
> layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
>
As I see it, layout is related with formatting. The main point is that
both, sections and frames can be "pushed" to different pages so they do not
belong to any page. In a sense, sections and frames set "boundaries" for
blocks of content, but those blocks can be moved, so what about
"Bounding" Content: Frames and Sections
or
"Enclosing" Content: Frames and Sections
I think this (or something similar, my English is limited) gives the idea
of how both elements work: they enclose arbitrary content on definite
limits. One (sections) with the possibility to expand on top of several
pages, the other (frames) living only on one page.
What do you think?
Regards
Ricardo
>
> Natasha Selvey
>
Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>wrote:
> 2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
>
> > Here is my second round of proposed changes.
> >
> > I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames, Sections
> and
> > Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> > "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on to
> > these topics.
> >
> > Tables and Images would get their own pages.
> >
> > Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
> >
> > Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
> >
> > Current outline:
> >
> > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> > 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> > information)
> > 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> > 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> > 2. Working with Text
> > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> >
> > Proposed outline:
> >
> > 1. Getting to know Writer
> > 1. Writer's User Interface
> > 2. Writer's Sidebar
> > 2. Working with Text
> > 1. Numbered list and bullets
> > 2. Autotext
> > 3. Formatting Pages
> > 1. Frames
> > 2. Sections
> > 4. Tables
> > 5. Images and OLE Objects
> >
> > Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
> >
>
> Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
>
> Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
> pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content" that
> are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
> document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
> styles and page breaks.
>
> I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not sure
> which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not really
> appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit that
> it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this line?
>
>
>
Thanks for the input. I think I understand what you are saying. Perhaps
frames and sections are not about "formatting pages" but creating a layout?
Would it make more sense to group frames and sections as "Creating page
layout"? Or is this just another way of saying "formatting"?
Natasha Selvey
Re: Proposal 2: Writer draft outline
Posted by Ricardo Berlasso <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/7/18 Natasha Selvey <ny...@gmail.com>
> Here is my second round of proposed changes.
>
> I think we should move Tables, Images and OLE objects, Frames, Sections and
> Autotext out of the first section "Getting to know Writer", leaving
> "Getting to know Writer" with the upfront basics and later moving on to
> these topics.
>
> Tables and Images would get their own pages.
>
> Frames and Sections go into a page for "Formatting pages".
>
> Autotext goes into the current "Working with text" page.
>
> Current outline:
>
> 1. Getting to know Writer
> 1. Writer's User Interface
> 2. Writer's Sidebar
> 3. Tables (move to its own page - expand on information)
> 4. Images and OLE Objects (move to its own page - expand on
> information)
> 5. Frames (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> 6. Sections (move to new page - "Formatting pages")
> 7. Autotext (move to "Working with text")
> 2. Working with Text
> 1. Numbered list and bullets
>
> Proposed outline:
>
> 1. Getting to know Writer
> 1. Writer's User Interface
> 2. Writer's Sidebar
> 2. Working with Text
> 1. Numbered list and bullets
> 2. Autotext
> 3. Formatting Pages
> 1. Frames
> 2. Sections
> 4. Tables
> 5. Images and OLE Objects
>
> Please send me your concerns or an okay to move forward. Thanks.
>
Sounds good for me! You are doing a really great job here!
Just a "conceptual" point: frames and sections are not about formatting
pages, but about filling them with well defined "blocks of content" that
are in a sense separated and somewhat independent from the rest of the
document. In fact, the only way to give format to pages is using page
styles and page breaks.
I agree that grouping frames and sections is a good idea but I'm not sure
which is the best label to group them: IMO "formatting pages" is not really
appropriate... "Content containers" came to my mind, but I must admit that
it is maybe a bit confusing for a title. Perhaps something on this line?
Regards
Ricardo