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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Michel Jouvin <jo...@lal.in2p3.fr> on 2003/11/02 12:01:24 UTC
Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Hi Joshua,
Thanks for your help. I solved the problem with Apache doc renaming
index.html to index.var and adding index.var as the first element in
DirectoryIndex. Declaring html as a type-map seems to break use of .html
files for plain html pages.
Using the same idea, I was able to workaround the other problem. I added an
index.var in this other site also. But the problem remains if index.var is
not there or if it is not listed before index.html in DirectoryIndex.
How to find more information on the error returned to the client ? (this is
not an html error displayed by the browser (IE6 in this case) but something
'unexpected' by the browser with no error on the server side).
Thanks again for your help.
Michel
--On vendredi 31 octobre 2003 12:09 -0500 Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Michel Jouvin wrote:
>> I just upgraded from 2.0.46 to 2.0.48. The server has been built with the
>> same configure options and the configuration file has been copied from
>> 2.0.46 (just DocumentRoot has been changed, as we do for every upgrade).
>>
>> Unfortunatly, after this update, Multiviews is no longer honoured for
>> pages available in several languages. 2 diffent symptoms are :
>>
>> - We have several pages exiting in different languages that have a
>> language suffix (like .fr, .en...). In this case, whatever the browser
>> is, an error occurs when getting the page. With Netscape the browser
>> doesn't return, just waiting. With IE6, I get an error "the site cannot
>> be opened" (not a page with an error text, an error popup). This occurs
>> for example with index.html. If no index.html exists (just the language
>> variants) the problem occurs. If I rename one of the variant as
>> index.html, it works.
>
> What exactly is apache sending back to the clients? It sounds like a
> redirect to a non-existant page. Can you tell us exactly what HTTP
> reponse headers apache is sending?
>
>> - When an index.html exists with URI: tags (like in apache doc), the
>> content of this file is displayed instead of being interpreted.
>
> That will only work if .html is designated as a type-map using AddHandler.
> And it works perfectly well here:
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/
> which is running 2.0.48.
>
> Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Michel Jouvin <jo...@lal.in2p3.fr>.
Another info : the answer from apache is not the same in the case of
Firebird. Here it is and the file location is correct. One difference in
request sent by Firebird and IE6 is in 'Accept:' line. In Netscape they are
weighted and */* has the smallest weight. In IE6 they are not weighted.
GET / HTTP/1.1
Host: www.lal.in2p3.fr
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5)
Gecko/20031007 Firebird/0.7
Accept:
text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q
=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1
Accept-Language: fr,en;q=0.7,en-us;q=0.3
Accept-Encoding: gzip,deflate
Accept-Charset: ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7
Keep-Alive: 300
Connection: keep-alive
HTTP/1.x 200 OK
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 09:49:53 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.2
Content-Location: index.html.fr
Vary: negotiate,accept,accept-language
TCN: choice
Last-Modified: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:37:17 GMT
Etag: "e7ef-3824-3c90900e49140"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 14372
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Language: fr
Michel
--On lundi 3 novembre 2003 13:18 +0100 Michel Jouvin <jo...@lal.in2p3.fr>
wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer to iehttpheaders. I installed it and ran IE6
> against Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. I found the following diff.
>
> IE request is :
>
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
> application/msword, */*
> Accept-Language: fr
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
> 1.0.3705)
> Host: www.lal.in2p3.fr
> Connection: Keep-Alive
>
>
> 2.0.47 response is :
>
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:06:17 GMT
> Server: Apache/2.0.47 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.2
> Content-Location: index.html.fr
> Vary: negotiate,accept-language
> TCN: choice
> Last-Modified: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:37:17 GMT
> ETag: "e7ef-3824-3c90900e49140"
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Content-Length: 14372
> Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
> Connection: Keep-Alive
> Content-Type: text/html
> Content-Language: fr
>
>
> 2.0.48 response is :
>
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:01:35 GMT
> Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.2
> Content-Location: index.html.fr.svg
> Vary: negotiate,accept,accept-language
> TCN: choice
> Last-Modified: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:56:19 GMT
> ETag: "17f0a-3620-3c6e948ab56c0"
> Accept-Ranges: bytes
> Content-Length: 13856
> Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
> Connection: Keep-Alive
> Content-Type: image/svg+xml
> Content-Language: fr
>
>
> Thus, there are 2 differences :
>
> - Vary contains 'acceept' token in 2.0.48 which is not present in
> previous versions
>
> - Content locacation returns a file that exists but is normally ignored
> by previous versions.
>
> Thus why the file with ext .fr.svg is taken into account in 2.0.48 ?
>
>
> Michel
>
>
>
> --On lundi 3 novembre 2003 06:26 -0500 hunter <th...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:09, Robert Andersson wrote:
>>> Michel Jouvin wrote:
>>> > I downloaded Firebird and discovered this new browser. Looks very
>>> > promising...
>>>
>>> It beats IE all day if you're stuck on a Windows machine.
>>>
>>> > With Firebird, I cannot reproduce the problem. It seems browser
>>> > dependent.
>>>
>>> I have not followed the thread closely, but what seems to be necessary
>>> is to get the headers from/to eg. IE and both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48
>>> to compare, and see what is different.
>>>
>>> I wish I could point to a good tool to do this, but I have been unable
>>> to find one myself. The best I can offer is Ethereal
>>> (http://www.ethereal.com/). Then you would capture when making the
>>> request and receiving the response, save the captured data (and edit out
>>> everything except the request/response headers). A tip is to remove
>>> images etc. from the requested document first, to keep the capture
>>> somewhat clean. Do this for both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. Comparing the
>>> two should reveal the problem.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Robert Andersson
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> I have used this tool with IE to see headers ... it install into the
>> browser.
>>
>> http://www.blunck.info/iehttpheaders.html
>>
>> Chris Lewis
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Michel Jouvin wrote:
> - Content locacation returns a file that exists but is normally ignored by
> previous versions.
>
> Thus why the file with ext .fr.svg is taken into account in 2.0.48 ?
Perhaps because image/svg+xml was added to mime.types (Scalable Network
Graphics)?
If you are using multiviews on index, you need to be REALLY sure that
there is no garbage in the directory matching index.*, because slight
changes in browser or server configuration can mean a file will be served
that you didn't intend.
And, as you noticed, these problems are very difficult to track down.
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Michel Jouvin <jo...@lal.in2p3.fr>.
Thanks for the pointer to iehttpheaders. I installed it and ran IE6 against
Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. I found the following diff.
IE request is :
GET / HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/vnd.ms-excel,
application/msword, */*
Accept-Language: fr
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR
1.0.3705)
Host: www.lal.in2p3.fr
Connection: Keep-Alive
2.0.47 response is :
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:06:17 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.47 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.47 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.2
Content-Location: index.html.fr
Vary: negotiate,accept-language
TCN: choice
Last-Modified: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 18:37:17 GMT
ETag: "e7ef-3824-3c90900e49140"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 14372
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Language: fr
2.0.48 response is :
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:01:35 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.48 (Unix) DAV/2 mod_ssl/2.0.48 OpenSSL/0.9.7b PHP/4.3.2
Content-Location: index.html.fr.svg
Vary: negotiate,accept,accept-language
TCN: choice
Last-Modified: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 17:56:19 GMT
ETag: "17f0a-3620-3c6e948ab56c0"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 13856
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: image/svg+xml
Content-Language: fr
Thus, there are 2 differences :
- Vary contains 'acceept' token in 2.0.48 which is not present in previous
versions
- Content locacation returns a file that exists but is normally ignored by
previous versions.
Thus why the file with ext .fr.svg is taken into account in 2.0.48 ?
Michel
--On lundi 3 novembre 2003 06:26 -0500 hunter <th...@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:09, Robert Andersson wrote:
>> Michel Jouvin wrote:
>> > I downloaded Firebird and discovered this new browser. Looks very
>> > promising...
>>
>> It beats IE all day if you're stuck on a Windows machine.
>>
>> > With Firebird, I cannot reproduce the problem. It seems browser
>> > dependent.
>>
>> I have not followed the thread closely, but what seems to be necessary
>> is to get the headers from/to eg. IE and both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48
>> to compare, and see what is different.
>>
>> I wish I could point to a good tool to do this, but I have been unable to
>> find one myself. The best I can offer is Ethereal
>> (http://www.ethereal.com/). Then you would capture when making the
>> request and receiving the response, save the captured data (and edit out
>> everything except the request/response headers). A tip is to remove
>> images etc. from the requested document first, to keep the capture
>> somewhat clean. Do this for both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. Comparing the
>> two should reveal the problem.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Robert Andersson
>>
>>
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>
> I have used this tool with IE to see headers ... it install into the
> browser.
>
> http://www.blunck.info/iehttpheaders.html
>
> Chris Lewis
>
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by hunter <th...@sympatico.ca>.
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 06:09, Robert Andersson wrote:
> Michel Jouvin wrote:
> > I downloaded Firebird and discovered this new browser. Looks very
> > promising...
>
> It beats IE all day if you're stuck on a Windows machine.
>
> > With Firebird, I cannot reproduce the problem. It seems browser dependent.
>
> I have not followed the thread closely, but what seems to be necessary is to
> get the headers from/to eg. IE and both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48 to compare,
> and see what is different.
>
> I wish I could point to a good tool to do this, but I have been unable to
> find one myself. The best I can offer is Ethereal
> (http://www.ethereal.com/). Then you would capture when making the request
> and recieving the response, save the captured data (and edit out everything
> except the request/response headers). A tip is to remove images etc. from
> the requested document first, to keep the capture somewhat clean. Do this
> for both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. Comparing the two should reveal the
> problem.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Andersson
>
>
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I have used this tool with IE to see headers ... it install into the
browser.
http://www.blunck.info/iehttpheaders.html
Chris Lewis
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
Michel Jouvin wrote:
> I downloaded Firebird and discovered this new browser. Looks very
> promising...
It beats IE all day if you're stuck on a Windows machine.
> With Firebird, I cannot reproduce the problem. It seems browser dependent.
I have not followed the thread closely, but what seems to be necessary is to
get the headers from/to eg. IE and both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48 to compare,
and see what is different.
I wish I could point to a good tool to do this, but I have been unable to
find one myself. The best I can offer is Ethereal
(http://www.ethereal.com/). Then you would capture when making the request
and recieving the response, save the captured data (and edit out everything
except the request/response headers). A tip is to remove images etc. from
the requested document first, to keep the capture somewhat clean. Do this
for both Apache 2.0.47 and 2.0.48. Comparing the two should reveal the
problem.
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Michel Jouvin <jo...@lal.in2p3.fr>.
Hi,
I downloaded Firebird and discovered this new browser. Looks very
promising...
With Firebird, I cannot reproduce the problem. It seems browser dependent.
But I already experienced it with IE6 and Netscape 4.5 (pretty old, i
know). Netscape 7 seems ok. IE5 Macintosh too. The other thing I can say is
that all these browsers are working perfectly well with Apache 2.0.47.
I attach the output from Live HTTP headers (with Apache 2.0.48).
Michel
--On lundi 3 novembre 2003 07:15 +0100 Robert Andersson
<ro...@profundis.nu> wrote:
> Joshua Slive wrote:
>> Personally, I just hand-construct requests using telnet, but perhaps
>> someone else on the list could offer an easier method of inspecting the
>> headers?
>
> Any complex requests are quite tedious to craft by hand. I suggest using
> Mozilla Firebird with the Live HTTP Headers extension.
>
> Mozilla Firebird:
> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
>
> Live HTTP Headers:
> http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/
>
> Regards,
> Robert Andersson
>
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> Personally, I just hand-construct requests using telnet, but perhaps
> someone else on the list could offer an easier method of inspecting the
> headers?
Any complex requests are quite tedious to craft by hand. I suggest using
Mozilla Firebird with the Live HTTP Headers extension.
Mozilla Firebird:
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/
Live HTTP Headers:
http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] 2.0.48 : Multiviews not honoured
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Michel Jouvin wrote:
> How to find more information on the error returned to the client ? (this is
> not an html error displayed by the browser (IE6 in this case) but something
> 'unexpected' by the browser with no error on the server side).
There are various tools out there that let you inspect the HTTP headers
sent by the browser and returned by the server. A basic network sniffer
would do, but would probably be overkill.
Personally, I just hand-construct requests using telnet, but perhaps
someone else on the list could offer an easier method of inspecting the
headers?
Joshua.
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