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Subversion Book
Hi, I want to write a short guide on using Subversion for the Gentoo
Documentation Project.
I'm wondering if the online book is under a free licence? If it is, I
could do a much better job by using the book as a reference? If it
isn't, I'll do my best writing up my own guide.
Tom
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Tom Hosiawa <to...@rogers.com>.
> Did you actually look at the book? :-)
>
> If you had, you'd probably see the section in the Preface entitled,
> "This Book is Free":
I saw that, but didn't see an explicit mention of a license in that
part, so I wasn't sure.
Thanks
Tom
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Thu, 2004-05-06 at 05:40, Tom Hosiawa wrote:
> I put acknowledgements in the last chapter. Is this sufficient?
I think that's fine, if that's where other acknowledgements are. The
license says it must be "wherever such third-party acknowledgments
normally appear".
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Tom Hosiawa <to...@rogers.com>.
> On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 07:59, Tom Hosiawa wrote:
> > > > For the guide to be accepted into the Gentoo Documentation Project, it
> > > > needs to be under the Creative Commons - Attribution/Share license.
>
> Because the license attached to Subversion code and docs is just a
> variant of the Apache license, you have the freedom to
> use/modify/redistribute the stuff in derivative works, even if the
> derivative works have a different (even proprietary) license.
>
> But regardless, our license says that if you use/redistribute/modify it,
> you must include the copyright notice, and give acknowledgement to
> Collabnet. Just remember to do that; I don't yet see it in your guide.
I put acknowledgements in the last chapter. Is this sufficient?
Tom
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 07:59, Tom Hosiawa wrote:
> > > For the guide to be accepted into the Gentoo Documentation Project, it
> > > needs to be under the Creative Commons - Attribution/Share license.
Because the license attached to Subversion code and docs is just a
variant of the Apache license, you have the freedom to
use/modify/redistribute the stuff in derivative works, even if the
derivative works have a different (even proprietary) license.
But regardless, our license says that if you use/redistribute/modify it,
you must include the copyright notice, and give acknowledgement to
Collabnet. Just remember to do that; I don't yet see it in your guide.
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Tom Hosiawa <to...@rogers.com>.
> > For the guide to be accepted into the Gentoo Documentation Project, it
> > needs to be under the Creative Commons - Attribution/Share license.
>
> I'm well aware of the Creative Commons license. Are you telling me that
> Gentoo *only* allows that one license? At least the Debian project has
> a broader set of criteria that allows them to certify that a license is
> "free enough":
For documentation, yes:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/doc-policy.xml#doc_chap3
> By "use parts of the book", you mean "copy chunks of it into your own
> docs"? Or do you mean "link to the book"?
I would copy (modifiy) chunks and link to the book in the guide. This
will be more shorter than the book, so I will only focus on the
essentials. Overview of svn and using it, setting up WebDAV, etc.
> Regardless, you have permission to do either thing. The license allows
> it. We only ask that you give proper attribution.
Thanks.
> If you look at the TortoiseSVN project's user manual, they're already
> doing this: pieces of the svn book are embedded into their manual.
Here's a working copy of my guide, I haven't fixed the encoding type
yet:
http://www.tomek.ca/gentoo/doc/my/subversion-guide.html
Tom
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Wed, 2004-05-05 at 06:19, Tom Hosiawa wrote:
> For the guide to be accepted into the Gentoo Documentation Project, it
> needs to be under the Creative Commons - Attribution/Share license.
I'm well aware of the Creative Commons license. Are you telling me that
Gentoo *only* allows that one license? At least the Debian project has
a broader set of criteria that allows them to certify that a license is
"free enough":
http://www.debian.org/social_contract.html#guidelines
> the
> Gentoo doc developers suggest I ask to be able to use parts of the Book
> in a cc-by-sa document.
By "use parts of the book", you mean "copy chunks of it into your own
docs"? Or do you mean "link to the book"?
Regardless, you have permission to do either thing. The license allows
it. We only ask that you give proper attribution.
If you look at the TortoiseSVN project's user manual, they're already
doing this: pieces of the svn book are embedded into their manual.
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Tom Hosiawa <to...@rogers.com>.
> Did you actually look at the book? :-)
>
> If you had, you'd probably see the section in the Preface entitled,
> "This Book is Free":
>
> http://svnbook.red-bean.com/svnbook/pr02s05.html
>
> It's under the same license as SVN itself, which is essentially a
> variant of the Apache license. So yes, link away!
Ok, I have a follow up question.
For the guide to be accepted into the Gentoo Documentation Project, it
needs to be under the Creative Commons - Attribution/Share license. And
rather than assuming the CC-by-SA licence is compatible with yours, the
Gentoo doc developers suggest I ask to be able to use parts of the Book
in a cc-by-sa document.
You can read the license at
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0
Tom
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Re: Subversion Book
Posted by Ben Collins-Sussman <su...@collab.net>.
On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 06:40, Tom Hosiawa wrote:
> Hi, I want to write a short guide on using Subversion for the Gentoo
> Documentation Project.
>
> I'm wondering if the online book is under a free licence? If it is, I
> could do a much better job by using the book as a reference? If it
> isn't, I'll do my best writing up my own guide.
Did you actually look at the book? :-)
If you had, you'd probably see the section in the Preface entitled,
"This Book is Free":
http://svnbook.red-bean.com/svnbook/pr02s05.html
It's under the same license as SVN itself, which is essentially a
variant of the Apache license. So yes, link away!
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