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Posted to dev@nifi.apache.org by Russell Bateman <ru...@windofkeltia.com> on 2023/09/27 18:50:56 UTC

Custom-processor configuration suggestions

I'm posting this plea for suggestions as I'm short on imagination here.

We have some custom processors that need extraordinary amounts of 
configuration of the sort a flow writer would have to copy and paste 
in--huge amounts of Yaml, regular expressions, etc. This is what our 
flow writers are already doing. It would be easier to insert a filename 
or -path, but...

...asking a custom processor to perform filesystem I/O is icky because 
of unpredictable filesystem access post installation. Thinking about how 
installation is beyond my control, I don't want to make installation 
messy, etc. Containers, Kubernetes deployment, etc. complicate this.

I thought of wiring /GetFile/ to a subdirectory (problematic, but less 
so?) and accepting files as input to pass on to needy processors who 
would recognize, adopt and incorporate configuration based on 
higher-level and simpler cues posted by flow writers as property values.

Assuming you both grok and are interested in what I'm asking, do you 
have thoughts, cautionary statements or even cat-calls to offer? Maybe 
there are obvious answers I'm just not thinking of.

Profuse thanks,

Russ

Re: Custom-processor configuration suggestions

Posted by Michael Moser <mo...@gmail.com>.
Unfortunately, Otto's ASCII art doesn't render nicely for me, but I agree
with what I think he's saying.  And it aligns nicely with what Joe said too.

Create a custom controller service that has the job of loading your
configuration data set.  This service can provide methods in its API to do
lookups against that data  Write your custom processors to do the needed
lookup against that controller service.

We have made a custom ConfigProvider interface for our custom controller
services, with implementations to find configurations on the local file
system or RESTfully from a URL.  This allows us flexibility to configure
controller services to work when NiFi is run in different environments.
For example, with a NiFi cluster on bare metal, we might use other tools to
distribute configuration files to all nodes of a cluster and the controller
service is configured to find those config files on local file system.  For
NiFi running in a Docker container, we configure the controller services to
retrieve config files from a URL (such as from an S3 bucket) on startup.
It's a bit like the new ResourceDefinition and ResourceType feature of the
nifi-api PropertyDescriptor, but with built-in extra properties to do
periodic reloads and some other things.

Regards,
-- Mike


On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 5:39 PM Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ```
>
>        ┌──────────────────────┐
>        │                      │
>        │  processor instance  │────────────┐
>        │                      │            │
>        └──────────────────────┘            │
>                                       .─────────.
>                                            │
>                                    ,─'           '─.
>                                            │
>                                  ,'                 `.
>                                            │
>                                 ╱                     ╲
>                                            │
>                                ╱                       ╲
>                                            │
>                               ;                         :
>                                            │
> ┌─────────────────────────────┐             │      configuration
> │
>                                            │             │
>                 │      ┌─────▶│        authority        │
>                                            │             │
> Configruation service     │      │      :                         ;
>                                            ├┬───────────▶│
>                 │──────┘       ╲                       ╱
>        ┌──────────────────────┐            ││            │
>                 │               ╲                     ╱
>        │                      │            ││
> └─────────────────────────────┘                ╲                   ╱
>        │  processor instance  │────────────┘│
>                                   `.               ,'
>        │                      │             │
>                                     '─.         ,─'
>        └──────────────────────┘             │
>                                        `───────'
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>         ┌──────────────────────┐            │
>         │                      │            │
>         │  processor instance  │────────────┤
>         │                      │            │
>         └──────────────────────┘            │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>                                             │
>         ┌──────────────────────┐            │
>         │                      │            │
>         │  processor instance  │────────────┘
>         │                      │
>         └──────────────────────┘
>         ```
>
> You can also make a shared service component that loads the configurations
> by some means and serves them to the processors.
> The service can get the configurations however makes sense for you ( from
> REST API  like Joe is saying, to reading from disk or something ).
>
>
> ```
>
>
>
> On September 27, 2023 at 4:04:56 PM, Joe Witt (joe.witt@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Russ
>
> It sounds like what you have is a case of significant reference data you
> need made available to various instances of this processor that knows how
> to use that reference state to do its function.
>
> This is similar to cases like IP geo enrichment where the dataset on which
> you'd make the decision is larger and more importantly subject to change
> over time. In such cases the ideal state is:
> (A) The reference dataset(s) is hosted at a RESTful endpoint and can be
> periodically pulled and stored some place local/easily accessible.
> (B) The processor knows where to look for this reference dataset download
> and is able to hot reload it on the fly to include understanding that the
> needed datasets might not yet be made available and it should yield until
> it sees them and loads them.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 11:51 AM Russell Bateman <ru...@windofkeltia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm posting this plea for suggestions as I'm short on imagination here.
> >
> > We have some custom processors that need extraordinary amounts of
> > configuration of the sort a flow writer would have to copy and paste
> > in--huge amounts of Yaml, regular expressions, etc. This is what our
> > flow writers are already doing. It would be easier to insert a filename
> > or -path, but...
> >
> > ...asking a custom processor to perform filesystem I/O is icky because
> > of unpredictable filesystem access post installation. Thinking about how
> > installation is beyond my control, I don't want to make installation
> > messy, etc. Containers, Kubernetes deployment, etc. complicate this.
> >
> > I thought of wiring /GetFile/ to a subdirectory (problematic, but less
> > so?) and accepting files as input to pass on to needy processors who
> > would recognize, adopt and incorporate configuration based on
> > higher-level and simpler cues posted by flow writers as property values.
> >
> > Assuming you both grok and are interested in what I'm asking, do you
> > have thoughts, cautionary statements or even cat-calls to offer? Maybe
> > there are obvious answers I'm just not thinking of.
> >
> > Profuse thanks,
> >
> > Russ
>

Re: Custom-processor configuration suggestions

Posted by Otto Fowler <ot...@gmail.com>.
```

       ┌──────────────────────┐
       │                      │
       │  processor instance  │────────────┐
       │                      │            │
       └──────────────────────┘            │
                                      .─────────.
                                           │
                                   ,─'           '─.
                                           │
                                 ,'                 `.
                                           │
                                ╱                     ╲
                                           │
                               ╱                       ╲
                                           │
                              ;                         :
                                           │
┌─────────────────────────────┐             │      configuration
│
                                           │             │
                │      ┌─────▶│        authority        │
                                           │             │
Configruation service     │      │      :                         ;
                                           ├┬───────────▶│
                │──────┘       ╲                       ╱
       ┌──────────────────────┐            ││            │
                │               ╲                     ╱
       │                      │            ││
└─────────────────────────────┘                ╲                   ╱
       │  processor instance  │────────────┘│
                                  `.               ,'
       │                      │             │
                                    '─.         ,─'
       └──────────────────────┘             │
                                       `───────'
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
        ┌──────────────────────┐            │
        │                      │            │
        │  processor instance  │────────────┤
        │                      │            │
        └──────────────────────┘            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
                                            │
        ┌──────────────────────┐            │
        │                      │            │
        │  processor instance  │────────────┘
        │                      │
        └──────────────────────┘
        ```

You can also make a shared service component that loads the configurations
by some means and serves them to the processors.
The service can get the configurations however makes sense for you ( from
REST API  like Joe is saying, to reading from disk or something ).


```



On September 27, 2023 at 4:04:56 PM, Joe Witt (joe.witt@gmail.com) wrote:

Russ

It sounds like what you have is a case of significant reference data you
need made available to various instances of this processor that knows how
to use that reference state to do its function.

This is similar to cases like IP geo enrichment where the dataset on which
you'd make the decision is larger and more importantly subject to change
over time. In such cases the ideal state is:
(A) The reference dataset(s) is hosted at a RESTful endpoint and can be
periodically pulled and stored some place local/easily accessible.
(B) The processor knows where to look for this reference dataset download
and is able to hot reload it on the fly to include understanding that the
needed datasets might not yet be made available and it should yield until
it sees them and loads them.

Thanks

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 11:51 AM Russell Bateman <ru...@windofkeltia.com>
wrote:

> I'm posting this plea for suggestions as I'm short on imagination here.
>
> We have some custom processors that need extraordinary amounts of
> configuration of the sort a flow writer would have to copy and paste
> in--huge amounts of Yaml, regular expressions, etc. This is what our
> flow writers are already doing. It would be easier to insert a filename
> or -path, but...
>
> ...asking a custom processor to perform filesystem I/O is icky because
> of unpredictable filesystem access post installation. Thinking about how
> installation is beyond my control, I don't want to make installation
> messy, etc. Containers, Kubernetes deployment, etc. complicate this.
>
> I thought of wiring /GetFile/ to a subdirectory (problematic, but less
> so?) and accepting files as input to pass on to needy processors who
> would recognize, adopt and incorporate configuration based on
> higher-level and simpler cues posted by flow writers as property values.
>
> Assuming you both grok and are interested in what I'm asking, do you
> have thoughts, cautionary statements or even cat-calls to offer? Maybe
> there are obvious answers I'm just not thinking of.
>
> Profuse thanks,
>
> Russ

Re: Custom-processor configuration suggestions

Posted by Joe Witt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Russ

It sounds like what you have is a case of significant reference data you
need made available to various instances of this processor that knows how
to use that reference state to do its function.

This is similar to cases like IP geo enrichment where the dataset on which
you'd make the decision is larger and more importantly subject to change
over time.  In such cases the ideal state is:
(A) The reference dataset(s) is hosted at a RESTful endpoint and can be
periodically pulled and stored some place local/easily accessible.
(B) The processor knows where to look for this reference dataset download
and is able to hot reload it on the fly to include understanding that the
needed datasets might not yet be made available and it should yield until
it sees them and loads them.

Thanks

On Wed, Sep 27, 2023 at 11:51 AM Russell Bateman <ru...@windofkeltia.com>
wrote:

> I'm posting this plea for suggestions as I'm short on imagination here.
>
> We have some custom processors that need extraordinary amounts of
> configuration of the sort a flow writer would have to copy and paste
> in--huge amounts of Yaml, regular expressions, etc. This is what our
> flow writers are already doing. It would be easier to insert a filename
> or -path, but...
>
> ...asking a custom processor to perform filesystem I/O is icky because
> of unpredictable filesystem access post installation. Thinking about how
> installation is beyond my control, I don't want to make installation
> messy, etc. Containers, Kubernetes deployment, etc. complicate this.
>
> I thought of wiring /GetFile/ to a subdirectory (problematic, but less
> so?) and accepting files as input to pass on to needy processors who
> would recognize, adopt and incorporate configuration based on
> higher-level and simpler cues posted by flow writers as property values.
>
> Assuming you both grok and are interested in what I'm asking, do you
> have thoughts, cautionary statements or even cat-calls to offer? Maybe
> there are obvious answers I'm just not thinking of.
>
> Profuse thanks,
>
> Russ