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Call for mentors: Zeta Components
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Hi all,
there was lots of positive feedback on our proposal to incubate Zeta
Components [1]. We sorted out some smaller issues and I think the
proposal is pretty complete now. Find the current state here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal
However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
we are really low maintenance. :)
In addition, I want to kindly ask the IPMC to sponsor our project.
Thanks in advance,
cheers,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Craig,
On 05/02/2010 12:22 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
> This project seems to have a lot of interest but a lack of mentors.
>
> I'm willing to be a third mentor to help the podling get started,
> assuming that others can carry the bulk of the mentoring responsibility.
good news, thanks! :)
I started a list of volunteered members in the proposal and added
Christian, Julien and you to it.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal#Volunteered_Mentors
Would be cool to get one or two people on board, to relieve some load
from you people.
Cheers,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
This project seems to have a lot of interest but a lack of mentors.
I'm willing to be a third mentor to help the podling get started,
assuming that others can carry the bulk of the mentoring responsibility.
Craig
P.S. i.e. feel free to add me to the mentor list...
On May 1, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Tobias Schlitt wrote:
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> Julien,
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> On 05/01/2010 02:02 PM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
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>> I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
>> I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
>> I can help mentoring if needed.
>
> that is fantastic news, thanks a lot! :)
>
> Hope we can push things further now.
>
> Great stuff,
> regards,
> Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Julien,
On 05/01/2010 02:02 PM, Julien Vermillard wrote:
> I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
> I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
> I can help mentoring if needed.
that is fantastic news, thanks a lot! :)
Hope we can push things further now.
Great stuff,
regards,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Julien Vermillard wrote:
> >
> > ...I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
> > I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
> > I can help mentoring if needed....
>
> Cool - I see your pending request to join the Incubator PMC on
> private@incubator.apache.org.
> Noel needs to take care of that, and after that you'll be all set.
Julien, joining the IPMC is just a formality for
ASF members, so no need to wait. Noel will attend
to it in due course.
-David
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
> I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
> I can help mentoring if needed....
Cool - I see your pending request to join the Incubator PMC on
private@incubator.apache.org.
Noel needs to take care of that, and after that you'll be all set.
-Bertrand
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Julien Vermillard <jv...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Daniel S. Haischt
> <da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term "member"
>> but pointing to the committers list :)
>>
>> ASF members are called out here -> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
>> ASF committers are called out here -> http://people.apache.org/committers.html
>
> Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
> not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
> don't change that often, granted).
>
>>
>> Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the "roles &
>> responsibilities" document I read this "All Mentors must be members of
>> the Incubator PMC"....
>
> In general and IMO the Incubator PMC requires at least one member and
> one experienced mentor (who can be the same person) for a new podling.
>
> Committers can be Incubator PMC members, but that's not an ideal
> situation, IIRC because committers don't have access to some
> foundation information - maybe someone can explain more, I don't
> remember the details here.
>
> That being said, if you'd like to be a member and you're an
> experienced committer, feel free to apply. It can take up to 1-2 weeks
> for the Incubator PMC to answer I think, as we usually do a bit of
> "research" on the candidates ASF-wide or other experience.
>
> -Bertrand
>
I was contacted by a Zeta components contributor,
I'm no experienced mentor, but I'm ASF member.
I can help mentoring if needed.
Julien
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Daniel S. Haischt wrote:
> >
> > ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term "member"
> > but pointing to the committers list :)
> >
> > ASF members are called out here -> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
> > ASF committers are called out here -> http://people.apache.org/committers.html
>
> Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
> not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
> don't change that often, granted).
The former is an opt-in document.
The latter is the best reference, as it is
regularly automatically updated.
-David
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Daniel S. Haischt
<da...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ...Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term "member"
> but pointing to the committers list :)
>
> ASF members are called out here -> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
> ASF committers are called out here -> http://people.apache.org/committers.html
Ah sorry - I usually use Jim's list where members are shown in bold,
not sure if the other one is updated as often as Jim's (but members
don't change that often, granted).
>
> Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the "roles &
> responsibilities" document I read this "All Mentors must be members of
> the Incubator PMC"....
In general and IMO the Incubator PMC requires at least one member and
one experienced mentor (who can be the same person) for a new podling.
Committers can be Incubator PMC members, but that's not an ideal
situation, IIRC because committers don't have access to some
foundation information - maybe someone can explain more, I don't
remember the details here.
That being said, if you'd like to be a member and you're an
experienced committer, feel free to apply. It can take up to 1-2 weeks
for the Incubator PMC to answer I think, as we usually do a bit of
"research" on the candidates ASF-wide or other experience.
-Bertrand
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by "Daniel S. Haischt" <da...@googlemail.com>.
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de> wrote:
>> On 01/05/10 12:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>... If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
>>> us are "serial mentors" already busy with several podlings each. So
>>> that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
>>> general lack of available mentors, IMO.
>>
>> What does that mean for us as a project (zeta)?
>>
>> Just wait, until some mentors are available again? Is there anything we can
>> do do to help to resolve this situation?...
>
> If you know any ASF members [1], the best might be to contact them and
> ask if they'd agree to be your mentors - not all members are
> subscribed to this list. And if you don't have enough mentors in say a
> week, please ask again here.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> [1] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
>
Btw, in the first place you confused me a bit using the term "member"
but pointing to the committers list :)
ASF members are called out here -> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html
ASF committers are called out here -> http://people.apache.org/committers.html
Can every committer become a mentor of a podling? From the "roles &
responsibilities" document I read this "All Mentors must be members of
the Incubator PMC".
Cheers
Daniel
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de> wrote:
> On 01/05/10 12:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>... If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
>> us are "serial mentors" already busy with several podlings each. So
>> that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
>> general lack of available mentors, IMO.
>
> What does that mean for us as a project (zeta)?
>
> Just wait, until some mentors are available again? Is there anything we can
> do do to help to resolve this situation?...
If you know any ASF members [1], the best might be to contact them and
ask if they'd agree to be your mentors - not all members are
subscribed to this list. And if you don't have enough mentors in say a
week, please ask again here.
-Bertrand
[1] http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Kore Nordmann <ma...@kore-nordmann.de>.
On 01/05/10 12:11, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...I am a little surprised that there are no other helping hands around
>> after the incredible feedback of the proposal. But lets see -
>> sometimes it takes some more days....
>
> If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
> us are "serial mentors" already busy with several podlings each. So
> that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
> general lack of available mentors, IMO.
What does that mean for us as a project (zeta)?
Just wait, until some mentors are available again? Is there anything we
can do do to help to resolve this situation?
Kind regards,
Kore
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I am a little surprised that there are no other helping hands around
> after the incredible feedback of the proposal. But lets see -
> sometimes it takes some more days....
If you check the current roster of mentors you'll see that several of
us are "serial mentors" already busy with several podlings each. So
that doesn't mean that the project is not interesting, that's more a
general lack of available mentors, IMO.
-Bertrand
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
> thanks. It's good to see at least somebody stepping up. :)
hopefully there are some more! :-)
> However, I think we need an ASF member as the primary mentor. Are you a
> member, yet?
Only one mentor needs to be an ASF member:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/mentor.html#mentors-ipmc
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Mentor
Unfortunately I am not a member and cannot fulfill this restriction.
I am a little surprised that there are no other helping hands around
after the incredible feedback of the proposal. But lets see -
sometimes it takes some more days.
Regards,
Christian
>
> Regards,
> Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info>.
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Hi Christian,
On 04/30/2010 05:12 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
>> Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
>> we are really low maintenance. :)
>
> I am willing to help here. Unfortunatly I am not on the IPMC - I have
> sent an e-mail for addition, but no response yet.
>
> However, I am PMC and Dev on the Log4PHP project and would like to
> learn more about Zeta. I am also looking for the chance to stick with
> the project even after mentoring phase.
thanks. It's good to see at least somebody stepping up. :)
However, I think we need an ASF member as the primary mentor. Are you a
member, yet?
Regards,
Toby
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
> However, we are still missing mentors to push this proposal forward.
> Could anybody please raise his hand for this position? I can assure you,
> we are really low maintenance. :)
I am willing to help here. Unfortunatly I am not on the IPMC - I have
sent an e-mail for addition, but no response yet.
However, I am PMC and Dev on the Log4PHP project and would like to
learn more about Zeta. I am also looking for the chance to stick with
the project even after mentoring phase.
Best regards,
Christian
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Re: Call for mentors: Zeta Components
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Tobias Schlitt <to...@schlitt.info> wrote:
> ...Find the current state here:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZetaComponentsProposal
>
> ...In addition, I want to kindly ask the IPMC to sponsor our project.
AFAIK we don't need a formal vote on the sponsoring bit, just mention
"Apache Incubator PMC" as the sponsoring entity in the proposal, and
once we vote on the proposal that's part of the deal.
-Bertrand
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