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Posted to dev@geronimo.apache.org by Dondi Imperial <di...@exist.com> on 2004/10/02 20:44:26 UTC
Frontend tools
I'd like to help out with frontend tools (web and desktop based) for
administration and deployment. Who do I get in touch with?
If there is no need or it is too early, for work on this end just
ignore this email.
Thanks,
*Dondi Imperial*
Software Engineer
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Emerald Avenue, Ortigas Center
Pasig City 1605
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Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <jb...@gluecode.com>.
Dondi Imperial wrote:
> I'd like to help out with frontend tools (web and desktop based) for
> administration and deployment. Who do I get in touch with?
>
> If there is no need or it is too early, for work on this end just
> ignore this email.
>
For something relatively small to get your feet wet you might want to
look at
http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMO-357
This would be a really useful tool to have and might simplify some of
the config structure questions we've seen recently.
--
Jeremy
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> last time I looked at it, it required the netbeans runtime environment
> which was H_U_G_E... does anyone know if he has a standalone swing (or
> swt) version yet?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:13:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Greg Hinkle <gh...@chariotsolutions.com>
To: Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>
Subject: Re: Frontend tools (fwd)
Hey... that's cool. I'll make sure Geronimo has first class (relatively
speaking of course) support for this release.
Unfortunately I'm only going to be able to do so much about the size. I've
cut out all server dependencies (you point at your install during use),
but I'm tightly tied to the netbeans platform :( and I also use some cool
utilities like JGraph.
I'll probably only get it down to about an 8 meg install... but we'll see.
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <ds...@gluecode.com>.
On Oct 5, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>
> On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
>
>> I know the main developer of MC4J, a cool (Swing-based) JMX
>> management console -- check out the screen shots and stuff. (His
>> name is
>> Greg Hinkle)
>
> I was using mc4j. I liked it.
>
>> I hope to get Greg on board with Geronimo. If so, and if
>> that project continues to use (what is essentially) the Mozilla Public
>> License, would we be able to distribute it as part of Geronimo?
>
> Yes
last time I looked at it, it required the netbeans runtime environment
which was H_U_G_E... does anyone know if he has a standalone swing (or
swt) version yet?
-dain
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@4quarters.com>.
On Oct 4, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Aaron Mulder wrote:
> I know the main developer of MC4J, a cool (Swing-based) JMX
> management console -- check out the screen shots and stuff. (His name
> is
> Greg Hinkle)
I was using mc4j. I liked it.
> I hope to get Greg on board with Geronimo. If so, and if
> that project continues to use (what is essentially) the Mozilla Public
> License, would we be able to distribute it as part of Geronimo?
Yes
> He's got
> modules in there for a number of app servers, and he said he's working
> on
> more direct JSR-77 support, so it seems like a good fit.
Yeah! That would be great to get us in his distro, or at least have it
here so it can be dropped in.
>
> Aaron
>
> http://mc4j.sourceforge.net/
>
> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Dondi Imperial wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to help out with frontend tools (web and desktop based) for
>>> administration and deployment. Who do I get in touch with?
>>>
>>> If there is no need or it is too early, for work on this end just
>>> ignore this email.
>>
>> There's always a need if you see one, and it's never too early :)
>>
>> Take a look at the existing 'debug console' web app, and see what you
>> think needs to be done there. It certainly needs to be de-uglified.
>> Also, I think that there are some people working on other tools -
>> maybe
>> you could start by documenting via a wiki page what's going on?
>>
>> geir
>>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geir@gluecode.com
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Jeremy Boynes <jb...@gluecode.com>.
Aaron Mulder wrote:
> I know the main developer of MC4J, a cool (Swing-based) JMX
> management console -- check out the screen shots and stuff. (His name is
> Greg Hinkle) I hope to get Greg on board with Geronimo. If so, and if
> that project continues to use (what is essentially) the Mozilla Public
> License, would we be able to distribute it as part of Geronimo? He's got
> modules in there for a number of app servers, and he said he's working on
> more direct JSR-77 support, so it seems like a good fit.
>
> Aaron
>
> http://mc4j.sourceforge.net/
>
I used MC4J back in Geronimo's early days to debug GBeans and thought it
was a good front-end to JMX. I would certainly support a module for
Geronimo and I would assume that can be Apache licensed (i.e. comes with
Geronimo rather than MC4J).
Since then we have also added support for JSR-160 JMX remoting so
presumably it can connect using that.
The concern I have is that just exposing every MBean will not lead to a
user-friendly solution - there is just too much detail. Instead, I think
we need to define a higher level information model so the console can be
a little smarter.
For example, rather than messing around with Connector stuff, the user
should just be able to say "I want to connect to a database" and be lead
through that process by some sort of wizard.
--
Jeremy
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by Aaron Mulder <am...@alumni.princeton.edu>.
I know the main developer of MC4J, a cool (Swing-based) JMX
management console -- check out the screen shots and stuff. (His name is
Greg Hinkle) I hope to get Greg on board with Geronimo. If so, and if
that project continues to use (what is essentially) the Mozilla Public
License, would we be able to distribute it as part of Geronimo? He's got
modules in there for a number of app servers, and he said he's working on
more direct JSR-77 support, so it seems like a good fit.
Aaron
http://mc4j.sourceforge.net/
On Mon, 4 Oct 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Dondi Imperial wrote:
>
> > I'd like to help out with frontend tools (web and desktop based) for
> > administration and deployment. Who do I get in touch with?
> >
> > If there is no need or it is too early, for work on this end just
> > ignore this email.
>
> There's always a need if you see one, and it's never too early :)
>
> Take a look at the existing 'debug console' web app, and see what you
> think needs to be done there. It certainly needs to be de-uglified.
> Also, I think that there are some people working on other tools - maybe
> you could start by documenting via a wiki page what's going on?
>
> geir
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
Re: Frontend tools
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Oct 2, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Dondi Imperial wrote:
> I'd like to help out with frontend tools (web and desktop based) for
> administration and deployment. Who do I get in touch with?
>
> If there is no need or it is too early, for work on this end just
> ignore this email.
There's always a need if you see one, and it's never too early :)
Take a look at the existing 'debug console' web app, and see what you
think needs to be done there. It certainly needs to be de-uglified.
Also, I think that there are some people working on other tools - maybe
you could start by documenting via a wiki page what's going on?
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org