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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> on 2017/10/08 08:08:11 UTC
applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle dependency
which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Hello,
It seem that originally these files existed in the Mercurial repository:
applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutHandler.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AppEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/FilesEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesHandler.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesHandler.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitEvent.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitHandler.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitResponse.java
applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitStrategy.java
See, for example:
https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/master/applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
These are under the standard NetBeans GPL w/ CPE + CDDL dual license.
The files themselves are a stub with this comment:
/* This is stub code written based on java.awt package javadoc published for
> * JDK 9. It makes possible to compile code, which uses new JDK 9 features,
> * on JDK 8. The compiled stub classes should never be included in the final
> * product.
> */
It seems that for the donation Oracle decided not to donate these, but to
bundle them as an external dependency with the
name applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip which remains with the old dual
license.
I guess Apache NetBeans could elect to use the CDDL license for those files?
In which case we need a statement about this, perhaps in the NOTICE file.
If we do choose to add the dependency with CDDL, is it really worth keeping
it elsewhere or could we add it back in the source tree like it used to be?
--emi
Re: applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle
dependency which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
I'd like to note that both the java/awt/** (which were removed, as Emilian
pointed out) and com/apple/eawt/** (which are still in the repository) are
only compile-time dependencies. So, I'd incline to:
-sanitize the java/awt/** handling (i.e. not expand it to the sources, but
handle it as a real compile-time only dependency)
-delete the com/apple/eawt classes, and use orange-extensions[1] instead.
Should be simple and hopefully would avoid doubts about recreating stuff
from javadoc. If/when NetBeans requires JDK 9 to build&run, we can drop all
of these, and simply compile against the JDK classes.
I can look at this, unless someone else wants to.
Jan
[1] https://mvnrepository.com/artifact/com.massisframework/orange-extensions
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I think the CDDL approach could work.
>
> But what's stopping us from creating those files from scratch ourselves,
> under Apache? I.e., just because Oracle did not donate them does not mean
> we cannot create them ourselves, since they're simply stub classes?
>
> Gj
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > It seem that originally these files existed in the Mercurial repository:
> >
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutHandler.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AppEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/FilesEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesHandler.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesHandler.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitEvent.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitHandler.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitResponse.java
> > applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitStrategy.java
> >
> > See, for example:
> > https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/
> > blob/master/applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
> >
> > These are under the standard NetBeans GPL w/ CPE + CDDL dual license.
> >
> > The files themselves are a stub with this comment:
> >
> > /* This is stub code written based on java.awt package javadoc published
> > for
> > > * JDK 9. It makes possible to compile code, which uses new JDK 9
> > features,
> > > * on JDK 8. The compiled stub classes should never be included in the
> > final
> > > * product.
> > > */
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems that for the donation Oracle decided not to donate these, but to
> > bundle them as an external dependency with the
> > name applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip which remains with the old
> > dual
> > license.
> >
> > I guess Apache NetBeans could elect to use the CDDL license for those
> > files?
> >
> > In which case we need a statement about this, perhaps in the NOTICE file.
> >
> > If we do choose to add the dependency with CDDL, is it really worth
> keeping
> > it elsewhere or could we add it back in the source tree like it used to
> be?
> >
> > --emi
> >
>
Re: applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle
dependency which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Yes, Jan, if that approach removes these, that would be simplest and
clearest.
So, yes, please do look at this.
Gj
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > Do we have an Oracle person claiming API's aren't copyright-able there?!
> ;-)
>
> +1 ;-)
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Neil C Smith <
> neilcsmith.net@googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:33 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > But what's stopping us from creating those files from scratch
> ourselves,
> > > under Apache? I.e., just because Oracle did not donate them does not
> mean
> > > we cannot create them ourselves, since they're simply stub classes?
> > >
> > >
> > Do we have an Oracle person claiming API's aren't copyright-able there?!
> > ;-)
> >
> > Joking aside, I'm all for recreating them, but wonder about the reason
> for
> > excluding them from the donation from Oracle side in that case?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> > --
> > Neil C Smith
> > Artist & Technologist
> > www.neilcsmith.net
> >
> > Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
> >
>
Re: applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle
dependency which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
> Do we have an Oracle person claiming API's aren't copyright-able there?!
;-)
+1 ;-)
--emi
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Neil C Smith <neilcsmith.net@googlemail.com
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:33 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > But what's stopping us from creating those files from scratch ourselves,
> > under Apache? I.e., just because Oracle did not donate them does not mean
> > we cannot create them ourselves, since they're simply stub classes?
> >
> >
> Do we have an Oracle person claiming API's aren't copyright-able there?!
> ;-)
>
> Joking aside, I'm all for recreating them, but wonder about the reason for
> excluding them from the donation from Oracle side in that case?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil C Smith
> Artist & Technologist
> www.neilcsmith.net
>
> Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
>
Re: applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle
dependency which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 9:33 AM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> But what's stopping us from creating those files from scratch ourselves,
> under Apache? I.e., just because Oracle did not donate them does not mean
> we cannot create them ourselves, since they're simply stub classes?
>
>
Do we have an Oracle person claiming API's aren't copyright-able there?! ;-)
Joking aside, I'm all for recreating them, but wonder about the reason for
excluding them from the donation from Oracle side in that case?
Best wishes,
Neil
--
Neil C Smith
Artist & Technologist
www.neilcsmith.net
Praxis LIVE - hybrid visual IDE for creative coding - www.praxislive.org
Re: applemenu: applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip Oracle
dependency which is GPL w/ CPE + CDDL
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
I think the CDDL approach could work.
But what's stopping us from creating those files from scratch ourselves,
under Apache? I.e., just because Oracle did not donate them does not mean
we cannot create them ourselves, since they're simply stub classes?
Gj
On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It seem that originally these files existed in the Mercurial repository:
>
> applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AboutHandler.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/AppEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/FilesEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/OpenFilesHandler.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/PreferencesHandler.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitEvent.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitHandler.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitResponse.java
> applemenu/src/java/awt/desktop/QuitStrategy.java
>
> See, for example:
> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/
> blob/master/applemenu/src/java/awt/Desktop.java
>
> These are under the standard NetBeans GPL w/ CPE + CDDL dual license.
>
> The files themselves are a stub with this comment:
>
> /* This is stub code written based on java.awt package javadoc published
> for
> > * JDK 9. It makes possible to compile code, which uses new JDK 9
> features,
> > * on JDK 8. The compiled stub classes should never be included in the
> final
> > * product.
> > */
>
>
>
> It seems that for the donation Oracle decided not to donate these, but to
> bundle them as an external dependency with the
> name applemenu-external-desktop-classes.zip which remains with the old
> dual
> license.
>
> I guess Apache NetBeans could elect to use the CDDL license for those
> files?
>
> In which case we need a statement about this, perhaps in the NOTICE file.
>
> If we do choose to add the dependency with CDDL, is it really worth keeping
> it elsewhere or could we add it back in the source tree like it used to be?
>
> --emi
>