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IPAD
Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?
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Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 3:04 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> When we change FAQ (and I really like the idea of using MDTEXT), we should
> make it easy to translate for all the local sites, and not only the first
> time, but more importantly to stay up to date with the translation.
>
> Do we currently have any tools to "watch" a mdtext file, so when the
> english version is changed the local translators are notified ? If not we
> should think of a mechanism, since especially FAQ are of interest in all
> languages.
>
On Windows there is this CommitMonitor tool:
http://tools.tortoisesvn.net/CommitMonitor.html
Also, you can "roll your own" with email filters on messages sent to
the commit list.
-Rob
> Jan I.
>
>
> On 3 December 2012 20:54, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>wrote:
>
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and quite outdated (I don't know whether
>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>
>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>> from
>>>> the current site?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>
>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>
>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>
>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/FAQ<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ>
>>>
>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>
>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>
>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html <http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>> the wiki
>>>
>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>
>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>
>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rob;
>>
>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>> as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we
>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>> is already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
When we change FAQ (and I really like the idea of using MDTEXT), we should
make it easy to translate for all the local sites, and not only the first
time, but more importantly to stay up to date with the translation.
Do we currently have any tools to "watch" a mdtext file, so when the
english version is changed the local translators are notified ? If not we
should think of a mechanism, since especially FAQ are of interest in all
languages.
Jan I.
On 3 December 2012 20:54, Keith N. McKenna <ke...@comcast.net>wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and quite outdated (I don't know whether
>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>
>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>> from
>>> the current site?
>>>
>>>
>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>
>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>> of work to update/correct them.
>>
>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>> the CMS web interface.
>>
>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/FAQ<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ>
>>
>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>> would be easier to maintain.
>>
>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>
>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html <http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and copy them into new FAQ items on
>> the wiki
>>
>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>
>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>
>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>> -Rob
>>
>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>
>> Rob;
>
> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
> as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we
> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
> is already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
+1 to the comments from andrea, seen from that point wiki is really better
than a semi-static MDTEXT,. I only have one worry, how do we keep the local
sites in sync ?
If we use wiki, we need to find a way where it is easy just to translate
the changes and more importantly be aware of a necessity for translation,
"watch" is to me NOT the right choice.
Jan I.
On 3 December 2012 22:49, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>> whether
>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>> from
>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>
>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>
>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/FAQ<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ>
>>>>
>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>
>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>> the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>
>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob;
>>>
>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>> as
>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>> we
>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and
>>> it is
>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>
>>>
>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html <http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>
>>
>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>> consolidate.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>> for the project.
>>
>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**community-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html>
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**developer-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html>
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html>
>>
>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>
>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>> and the project
>>
>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>
>
> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
> nearly anybody has something to add.
>
> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
> reverted easily.
>
> My 2 ct.
>
> Marcus
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/03/2012 11:35 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>>> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rob;
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>>> as
>>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>>> we
>>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>>>> is
>>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>>
>>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>>> consolidate.
>>>>
>>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>>> for the project.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>>> and the project
>>>>
>>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>
>>>
>>> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
>>> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
>>> nearly anybody has something to add.
>>>
>>
>> A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it.
>> In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the
>> anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the
>> wiki,
>>
>> I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently
>> changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the
>> question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it
>> does not require frequent community enhancement.
>>
>>> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
>>> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
>>> reverted easily.
>>>
>>
>> The same is true of the website.
>>
>> But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a
>> long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since
>> they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere.
>>
>> My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks
>> better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on
>> text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO.
>>
>
> For reference and comparison, look at the support page that Firefox uses:
>
> http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/home
>
> Their "hot topics" is analogous to FAQs.
>
> This is a clean, attractive page, free of distractions, easy to use.
> I don't think we get there with a wiki.
Indeed, it looks nice. But I don't think that we need that much of styling.
Marcus
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Rob;
>>>>
>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>> as
>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>> we
>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>>> is
>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>
>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>> consolidate.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>
>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>> and the project
>>>
>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>
>>
>> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
>> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
>> nearly anybody has something to add.
>>
>
> A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it.
> In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the
> anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the
> wiki,
>
> I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently
> changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the
> question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it
> does not require frequent community enhancement.
>
>> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
>> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
>> reverted easily.
>>
>
> The same is true of the website.
>
> But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a
> long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since
> they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere.
>
> My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks
> better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on
> text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO.
>
For reference and comparison, look at the support page that Firefox uses:
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/home
Their "hot topics" is analogous to FAQs.
This is a clean, attractive page, free of distractions, easy to use.
I don't think we get there with a wiki.
-Rob
> -Rob
>
>> My 2 ct.
>>
>> Marcus
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Marcus (Ono) wrote:
> Am 12/03/2012 11:11 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de>
>> wrote:
>>> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately,
>>>>>>> there's an
>>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link
>>>>>>> to it
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ
>>>>>> items on
>>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rob;
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were
>>>>> tagged
>>>>> as
>>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive
>>>>> review and
>>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the
>>>>> way
>>>>> we
>>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain
>>>>> and it
>>>>> is
>>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>>
>>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>>> consolidate.
>>>>
>>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>>> for the project.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>>> and the project
>>>>
>>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>
>>>
>>> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
>>> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily
>>> and
>>> nearly anybody has something to add.
>>>
>>
>> A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it.
>> In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the
>> anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the
>> wiki,
>
> I don't want to talk bad about the anonymous feature of the CMS.
> However, it's not widely known how to use it but I think how to use and
> change a wikipage is known better.
>
>> I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently
>> changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the
>> question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it
>> does not require frequent community enhancement.
>
> Right, the better word is "extend", to add more content.
>
>>> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's
>>> best
>>> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
>>> reverted easily.
>>>
>>
>> The same is true of the website.
>>
>> But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a
>> long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since
>> they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere.
>
> It seems nobody wanted to do the work that is needed to keep it
> up-to-date. ;-)
>
>> My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks
>> better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on
>> text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO.
>
> I doubt that we need pretty styling here. The users want information for
> their question(s). It's not the primary goal to present it most pretty
> and nice but competent and complete.
>
> Furthermore, I support the standpoint of Keith: Re-new both FAQs in the
> *same* type of media.
>
> Marcus
>
>
Folks;
Whether we talk about the outdated mess on the wiki or the outdated mess
on the web site it comes down to the same problem. Nobody felt the need
or the inclination to do the ongoing support that they need.
Given the truth of the above statement I will raise my hand and say I
will take on the task of attempting to bring some coherent sense to the
what we have today. I will send a proposal to that effect to the list as
a separate thread.
Regards
Keith
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/03/2012 11:11 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo)<ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Rob;
>>>>
>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>> as
>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>> we
>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>>> is
>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>
>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>> consolidate.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>
>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>> and the project
>>>
>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>
>>
>> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
>> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
>> nearly anybody has something to add.
>>
>
> A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it.
> In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the
> anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the
> wiki,
I don't want to talk bad about the anonymous feature of the CMS.
However, it's not widely known how to use it but I think how to use and
change a wikipage is known better.
> I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently
> changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the
> question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it
> does not require frequent community enhancement.
Right, the better word is "extend", to add more content.
>> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
>> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
>> reverted easily.
>>
>
> The same is true of the website.
>
> But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a
> long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since
> they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere.
It seems nobody wanted to do the work that is needed to keep it
up-to-date. ;-)
> My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks
> better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on
> text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO.
I doubt that we need pretty styling here. The users want information for
their question(s). It's not the primary goal to present it most pretty
and nice but competent and complete.
Furthermore, I support the standpoint of Keith: Re-new both FAQs in the
*same* type of media.
Marcus
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>> whether
>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>> from
>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>
>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>
>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>
>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>
>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>> the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>
>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Rob;
>>>
>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>> as
>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>> we
>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>> is
>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>
>>
>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>
>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>> consolidate.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>> for the project.
>>
>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>
>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>
>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>> and the project
>>
>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>
>
> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
> nearly anybody has something to add.
>
A website in mdtext is also easy to update and anyone can update it.
In some sense it is even easier than the wiki, since with the
anonymous mode an account registration is not even needed, unlike the
wiki,
I'd also disagree with the belief that FAQs need to be frequently
changed. They only need to be frequently *asked*. For example, the
question about OpenOffice on iPad only needs to be answered once. it
does not require frequent community enhancement.
> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
> reverted easily.
>
The same is true of the website.
But let's be honest: the FAQ's on the wiki have been neglected for a
long time. Technological concerns are not the reason for this, since
they are already on the wiki. Our problems are elsewhere.
My preference for the mdtext is it is easier to style and looks
better. Wikis are dog butt ugly, IMHO. Fine for collaborating on
text, but for final publication they are ugly. IMHO.
-Rob
> My 2 ct.
>
> Marcus
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
janI wrote:
> +1 to the comments from andrea, seen from that point wiki is really better
> than a semi-static MDTEXT,. I only have one worry, how do we keep the local
> sites in sync ?
>
> If we use wiki, we need to find a way where it is easy just to translate
> the changes and more importantly be aware of a necessity for translation,
> "watch" is to me NOT the right choice.
>
>
> Jan I.
>
That question hopefully can be answered by someone with experience in
translating of documentation from the English Language Wiki to one of
the Native Language areas of the wiki. No matter which way we go there
is going to be a need to keep multiple language areas in sync. It also
works the other way around. If a change is made on say the Danish page,
how is that translated and synced to the English page?
The question should be what process and tools are going to give us a
sustainable and maintainable set of FAQ's across all languages.
Regards
Keith
>
> On 3 December 2012 22:49, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Documentation/FAQ<http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ>
>>>>>
>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob;
>>>>
>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>> as
>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>> we
>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and
>>>> it is
>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.**html <http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html>
>>>
>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>> consolidate.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**community-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html>
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**developer-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html>
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/**pmc-faqs.html<http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html>
>>>
>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>
>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>> and the project
>>>
>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>
>>
>> I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
>> attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily and
>> nearly anybody has something to add.
>>
>> So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's best
>> done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad changes
>> reverted easily.
>>
>> My 2 ct.
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/03/2012 09:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>> whether
>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>
>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>> from
>>>> the current site?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>
>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>
>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>
>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>
>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>
>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>
>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>> the wiki
>>>
>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>
>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>
>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>>
>> Rob;
>>
>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as
>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we
>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is
>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>
>
> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>
> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
> consolidate.
>
> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
> for the project.
>
> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>
> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>
> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
> and the project
>
> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
I also would like to see FAQs in the Wiki, for both parts. FAQs have the
attribute that they are never complete, need to be updated regularily
and nearly anybody has something to add.
So, it should be the best if indeed anybody can do the update. That's
best done within the Wiki. Mistakes can be corrected fast and bad
changes reverted easily.
My 2 ct.
Marcus
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
<ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>> whether
>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>
>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>> from
>>> the current site?
>>>
>>
>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>
>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>> of work to update/correct them.
>>
>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>> the CMS web interface.
>>
>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>
>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>> would be easier to maintain.
>>
>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>
>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>> the wiki
>>
>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>
>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>
>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>
>>
> Rob;
>
> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as
> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we
> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is
> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>
The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
consolidate.
In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
+1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
for the project.
Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
and the project
2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
-Rob
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 12/03/2012 11:19 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Rob;
>>>>
>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>> as
>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>> we
>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>>> is
>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>
>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>> consolidate.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>
>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>> and the project
>>>
>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Rob;
>>
>> Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
>> compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
>> disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
>> different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer to
>> avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training
>> necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the maintenance
>> and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar.
>>
>
> We already have different tools and different processes: static HTML,
> static mdtext and wiki. I'm proposing reducing it from 3 to 2.
>
> As far as process goes, I think the product-related questions will
> generally be updated by those interested in documentation and support.
> But the project-related questions -- the ones currently on
> openoffice.apache.org -- will probably be updated by the PMC. I think
> those questions, which deal with project membership, process
> definition, etc., are quasi-official in nature and it is not a bad
> thing if editing them is harder and more restricted than editing a
> public wiki.
>
> And let's not forget the harsh transition that some has navigating
> from an openoffice.apache.org web page to the wiki. The look is
> different and there is no context or reverse navigation. The user has
> been teleported into another galaxy.
>
> I sometimes wonder whether we should move *all* of the
> openoffice.apache.org website contents onto the www.openoffice.org
> website, and work to unify the look and feel of the other pieces, a
> larger reworking of:
>
> 1) Move openoffice.apache.org onto www.openoffice.org
>
> 2) Move all CWiki pages into MWiki
>
> 3) Setup redirect of blog from blogs.apache.org/ooo to blog.openoffice.org
>
> What we have now is very fragmented. But that is a topic for another day....
Yes, and maybe work for a rainy month. ;-)
OK seriously: To reduce the use different media type from some (WWW with
HTML, Apache WWW with HTML, Apache WWW with MDTEXT, CWiki, MWiki) to 2
(WWW, MWiki) sounds good.
Marcus
>> I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki is
>> in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far out of
>> date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may make more
>> sense.
>>
>
> Sounds good.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Regards
>> Keith
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna
<ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>> whether
>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>> from
>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>
>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>
>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>
>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>
>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>> the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>
>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Rob;
>>>
>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>> as
>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>> we
>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>> is
>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>
>>
>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>
>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>> consolidate.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>> for the project.
>>
>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>
>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>
>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>> and the project
>>
>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>
> Rob;
>
> Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
> compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
> disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
> different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer to
> avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training
> necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the maintenance
> and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar.
>
We already have different tools and different processes: static HTML,
static mdtext and wiki. I'm proposing reducing it from 3 to 2.
As far as process goes, I think the product-related questions will
generally be updated by those interested in documentation and support.
But the project-related questions -- the ones currently on
openoffice.apache.org -- will probably be updated by the PMC. I think
those questions, which deal with project membership, process
definition, etc., are quasi-official in nature and it is not a bad
thing if editing them is harder and more restricted than editing a
public wiki.
And let's not forget the harsh transition that some has navigating
from an openoffice.apache.org web page to the wiki. The look is
different and there is no context or reverse navigation. The user has
been teleported into another galaxy.
I sometimes wonder whether we should move *all* of the
openoffice.apache.org website contents onto the www.openoffice.org
website, and work to unify the look and feel of the other pieces, a
larger reworking of:
1) Move openoffice.apache.org onto www.openoffice.org
2) Move all CWiki pages into MWiki
3) Setup redirect of blog from blogs.apache.org/ooo to blog.openoffice.org
What we have now is very fragmented. But that is a topic for another day....
> I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki is
> in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far out of
> date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may make more
> sense.
>
Sounds good.
-Rob
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 12/03/2012 01:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately,
>>>>> there's an
>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>> whether
>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>
>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>> from
>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>
>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>
>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>
>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>
>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>> the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>
>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>
>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Rob;
>>>
>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were
>>> tagged as
>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the
>>> way we
>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain
>>> and it is
>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>
>>
>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>
>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>> consolidate.
>>
>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>> for the project.
>>
>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>
>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>
>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>> and the project
This seems reasonable to me.
Maybe it's just me, but I can't get any any output from:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
Looking at the source, this seems to be a customized Google search that
was once in play, and now doesn't work.
I don't really know much about MW but I'm wondering if there's some sort
of built it internal search (or an external function that could be
installed) with it that could use doc categories or something to make an
internal search work.
>>
>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>
> Rob;
>
> Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
> compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
> disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
> different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I
> prefer to avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on
> the training necessary to bring new people up to speed and you
> centralize the maintenance and lessen the chance that something slips
> under the radar.
>
> I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki
> is in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far
> out of date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may
> make more sense.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
-- Anais Nin
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Keith N. McKenna
<ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>
>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Rob;
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were
>>>>> tagged
>>>>> as
>>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review
>>>>> and
>>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>>> we
>>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and
>>>>> it
>>>>> is
>>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>>
>>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>>> consolidate.
>>>>
>>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>>> for the project.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>>
>>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>>
>>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>>> and the project
>>>>
>>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Rob;
>>>
>>> Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
>>> compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
>>> disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
>>> different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer
>>> to
>>> avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training
>>> necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the
>>> maintenance
>>> and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar.
>>>
>>
>> We already have different tools and different processes: static HTML,
>> static mdtext and wiki. I'm proposing reducing it from 3 to 2.
>>
> Agreed, all I am saying is that the more ways there are to do the same thing
> the greater both the possibility and the probability of maintainability
> headaches.
>
>
>> As far as process goes, I think the product-related questions will
>> generally be updated by those interested in documentation and support.
>
>
> Agreed. One reason that I tend toward using the wiki for these is that it
> could attract volunteers to help update and even add new ones that may be
> hesitant about editing a web page.
>
>
>> But the project-related questions -- the ones currently on
>> openoffice.apache.org -- will probably be updated by the PMC. I think
>> those questions, which deal with project membership, process
>> definition, etc., are quasi-official in nature and it is not a bad
>> thing if editing them is harder and more restricted than editing a
>> public wiki.
>>
>
> I agree here also. I do believe that there are ways to lock down sections of
> the wiki also. So either way is doable.
>
>
>> And let's not forget the harsh transition that some has navigating
>> from an openoffice.apache.org web page to the wiki. The look is
>> different and there is no context or reverse navigation. The user has
>> been teleported into another galaxy.
>>
> This is all to true. Hell I go back and fourth everyday and feel like I have
> been transported to another galaxy!
hee...this is how I feel on cwiki vs MediaWiki.
>
>
>> I sometimes wonder whether we should move *all* of the
>> openoffice.apache.org website contents onto the www.openoffice.org
>> website, and work to unify the look and feel of the other pieces, a
>> larger reworking of:
>>
>
> You are not alone in wondering this. What amazes me is that users manage to
> figure it all out some how and don't just throw up there hands in disgust.
Maybe they like the adventure of it! :)
>
>
>> 1) Move openoffice.apache.org onto www.openoffice.org
>>
>> 2) Move all CWiki pages into MWiki
>>
>> 3) Setup redirect of blog from blogs.apache.org/ooo to blog.openoffice.org
>>
>> What we have now is very fragmented. But that is a topic for another
>> day....
>>
>
> You do not want to get me started on that topic. The one thing I can say is
> that what we have today has the major attribute of a good vacuum cleaner. It
> manages to work, I just do not for the life of me know how.
>
>>> I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki
>>> is
>>> in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far out
>>> of
>>> date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may make
>>> more
>>> sense.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds good.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>
> I looked through the FAQ pages on the web site and they are in as bad a
> shape as the wiki ones are. The major difference is that there are more of
> them on the wiki. No matter which way we go this is not going to be a simple
> and straight forward procedure. There is going to be a lot of axe wielding
> needed to clear the deadwood and some decisions will need to be made around
> how much data around older versions do we keep. The general rule of thumb on
> the documentation section of the wiki was update it, but keep all the old
> information also. As a result there is info in some articles about version 2
> and even version 1.
OK, until yesterday, I was not even aware there WAS an FAQ on the
website. I would immediately suggest to cull *these*, assuming they're
still valuable, and pop them onto the wiki somehow. I will help with
this effort over the next month as I can.
Generally, I think the wiki would be more conducive to upkeep since it
doesn't involve committer rights.
And, if we could get the wiki search to work -- or create a new one --
all the better.
>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
-- Anais Nin
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
>>> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the current site?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>>>
>>>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>>>> the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Rob;
>>>>
>>>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
>>>> as
>>>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>>>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way
>>>> we
>>>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it
>>>> is
>>>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>>>
>>> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
>>> consolidate.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
>>> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
>>> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
>>> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
>>> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
>>> for the project.
>>>
>>> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>>>
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>
>>> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>>>
>>> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
>>> and the project
>>>
>>> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
>>> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> Rob;
>>
>> Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
>> compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
>> disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
>> different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I prefer to
>> avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on the training
>> necessary to bring new people up to speed and you centralize the maintenance
>> and lessen the chance that something slips under the radar.
>>
>
> We already have different tools and different processes: static HTML,
> static mdtext and wiki. I'm proposing reducing it from 3 to 2.
>
Agreed, all I am saying is that the more ways there are to do the same
thing the greater both the possibility and the probability of
maintainability headaches.
> As far as process goes, I think the product-related questions will
> generally be updated by those interested in documentation and support.
Agreed. One reason that I tend toward using the wiki for these is that
it could attract volunteers to help update and even add new ones that
may be hesitant about editing a web page.
> But the project-related questions -- the ones currently on
> openoffice.apache.org -- will probably be updated by the PMC. I think
> those questions, which deal with project membership, process
> definition, etc., are quasi-official in nature and it is not a bad
> thing if editing them is harder and more restricted than editing a
> public wiki.
>
I agree here also. I do believe that there are ways to lock down
sections of the wiki also. So either way is doable.
> And let's not forget the harsh transition that some has navigating
> from an openoffice.apache.org web page to the wiki. The look is
> different and there is no context or reverse navigation. The user has
> been teleported into another galaxy.
>
This is all to true. Hell I go back and fourth everyday and feel like I
have been transported to another galaxy!
> I sometimes wonder whether we should move *all* of the
> openoffice.apache.org website contents onto the www.openoffice.org
> website, and work to unify the look and feel of the other pieces, a
> larger reworking of:
>
You are not alone in wondering this. What amazes me is that users manage
to figure it all out some how and don't just throw up there hands in
disgust.
> 1) Move openoffice.apache.org onto www.openoffice.org
>
> 2) Move all CWiki pages into MWiki
>
> 3) Setup redirect of blog from blogs.apache.org/ooo to blog.openoffice.org
>
> What we have now is very fragmented. But that is a topic for another day....
>
You do not want to get me started on that topic. The one thing I can say
is that what we have today has the major attribute of a good vacuum
cleaner. It manages to work, I just do not for the life of me know how.
>> I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki is
>> in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far out of
>> date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may make more
>> sense.
>>
>
> Sounds good.
>
> -Rob
>
I looked through the FAQ pages on the web site and they are in as bad a
shape as the wiki ones are. The major difference is that there are more
of them on the wiki. No matter which way we go this is not going to be a
simple and straight forward procedure. There is going to be a lot of axe
wielding needed to clear the deadwood and some decisions will need to be
made around how much data around older versions do we keep. The general
rule of thumb on the documentation section of the wiki was update it,
but keep all the old information also. As a result there is info in some
articles about version 2 and even version 1.
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Keith N. McKenna
> <ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
>>>> whether
>>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>>
>>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
>>>> from
>>>> the current site?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>>
>>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>>> of work to update/correct them.
>>>
>>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>>> the CMS web interface.
>>>
>>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>>
>>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>>> would be easier to maintain.
>>>
>>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>>
>>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>>> the wiki
>>>
>>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>>
>>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>>
>>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>>
>> Rob;
>>
>> I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged as
>> needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review and
>> clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the way we
>> decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to maintain and it is
>> already categorized with a toc on the main page.
>>
>
> The other FAQ on the website is also categorized:
> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html
>
> So whatever direction we start from we'll probably want to update and
> consolidate.
>
> In my personal opinion, mdtext on the website is a good solution here.
> But my opinion takes a back seat when someone else actually volunteers
> to do the work. So if you prefer the wiki for this, then you have a
> +1 from me. I'd just recommend that you fold in anything good from
> the existing website into the wiki, so we have can have a single FAQ
> for the project.
>
> Oh, actually we have a few other FAQs:
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/community-faqs.html
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/developer-faqs.html
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>
> Maybe a simplifying assumption could be:
>
> 1) We make the MWiki FAQ's be the user-facing FAQs about the product
> and the project
>
> 2) We have the "internal" project-facing FAQ's on
> openoffice.apache.org website, in their current mdtext format.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Regards
>> Keith
>>
>>
>
Rob;
Though your simplifying assumption appears on the surface to be a good
compromise the process engineer in me says I see a potential maintenance
disaster looming. It creates essentially two different processes with
different tools to accomplish the same basic task something that I
prefer to avoid if possible. By using one or the other you cut down on
the training necessary to bring new people up to speed and you
centralize the maintenance and lessen the chance that something slips
under the radar.
I already know what kind of shape the documentation section of the wiki
is in. Let me take a look at the FAQ's on the web site and see how far
out of date they are. It may be that rewriting the user ones in dtet may
make more sense.
Regards
Keith
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>
>>
>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether
>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>
>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from
>> the current site?
>>
>
> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
> is valuable and worth preserving.
>
> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
> of work to update/correct them.
>
> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
> the CMS web interface.
>
> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>
> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
> would be easier to maintain.
>
> So one possible resolution could be:
>
> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
> the wiki
>
> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>
> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>
> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>
>
> -Rob
> -Rob
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>
Rob;
I have been updating some of the FAQ's on the wiki site that were tagged
as needing help. I am more than willing to start a comprehensive review
and clean-up of the User FAQ's on the documentation wiki if that is the
way we decide to go. The advantage is that the wiki is easier to
maintain and it is already categorized with a toc on the main page.
Regards
Keith
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Or write the new FAQ in mdtext and remove the old.
>
That could work as well. Easier to maintain than HTML. It could even
have a specialized nav for the various FAQ categories.
Almost anything would be an improvement from what we have right now:
two separate FAQ sites, neither one maintained.
-Rob
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone on the road.
>
> On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether
>>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>>
>>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from
>>> the current site?
>>>
>>
>> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
>> is valuable and worth preserving.
>>
>> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
>> of work to update/correct them.
>>
>> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
>> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
>> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
>> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
>> the CMS web interface.
>>
>> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>>
>> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
>> would be easier to maintain.
>>
>> So one possible resolution could be:
>>
>> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
>> the wiki
>>
>> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>>
>> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>>
>> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
>> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>>
>>
>> -Rob
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Or write the new FAQ in mdtext and remove the old.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone on the road.
On Dec 2, 2012, at 3:41 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>>
>>
>> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
>> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether
>> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>>
>> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from
>> the current site?
>>
>
> The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
> is valuable and worth preserving.
>
> But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
> of work to update/correct them.
>
> Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
> static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
> maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
> definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
> the CMS web interface.
>
> There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
>
> These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
> would be easier to maintain.
>
> So one possible resolution could be:
>
> 1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
> the wiki
>
> 2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
>
> 3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
>
> 4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
> directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
>
>
> -Rob
> -Rob
>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
Re: FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
>
>
> I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
> "OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
> http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know whether
> it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
>
> Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it from
> the current site?
>
The current location of the FAQ is prominent in search results. That
is valuable and worth preserving.
But the current FAQ contents are out of date. They would need a lot
of work to update/correct them.
Although the FAQ's are presented in a way that is OK for the user, the
static HTML source is structured in a way that will be painful to
maintain. Getting a cleaner structure, for example using HTML
definition lists (<dl>) would be easier and could be maintained via
the CMS web interface.
There is another set of FAQ's on the documentation wiki:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ
These also appear to be unmaintained. But I think the wiki version
would be easier to maintain.
So one possible resolution could be:
1) Take anything of use from the FAQ's at
http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and copy them into new FAQ items on
the wiki
2) Update the other FAQ's on the wiki
3) Add new items to the wiki FAQ (like the iPAD question)
4) Delete the old FAQ directory and replace with a single page that
directs the reader to the wiki FAQ's.
-Rob
-Rob
> Regards,
> Andrea.
FAQ page (Re: IPAD)
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 26/11/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> [Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?] I nominate this for an FAQ.
I agree. But where is our FAQ page currently? Unfortunately, there's an
"OpenOffice FAQ" easily reachable by search engines at
http://www.openoffice.org/faq.html and quite outdated (I don't know
whether it's reachable from the home page, but it doesn't seem so).
Time to make a new FAQ available or update the old one and link to it
from the current site?
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: IPAD
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
I nominate this for an FAQ.
-Rob
On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Dhrubajyoti Gogoi <dh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No. Currently OpenOffice wont run on an iPad. Although you may find some
> third party solutions supporting it.
>
> On 25 November 2012 09:52, Al <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
Re: IPAD
Posted by Dhrubajyoti Gogoi <dh...@gmail.com>.
No. Currently OpenOffice wont run on an iPad. Although you may find some
third party solutions supporting it.
On 25 November 2012 09:52, Al <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can I install Openoffice on my IPAD?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>