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Posted to dev@avalon.apache.org by Hamilton Veríssimo de Oliveira <ho...@bvtibusiness.com.br> on 2003/09/05 19:38:02 UTC
Calling for vote
Hi
After a week of brainstorm I found that the most valuable way of
architect a new system (based on entities, persistence and business
rules) is using Avalon. _Unfortunatelly_ this application should be
written in .Net and Avalon is *very* premature.
So I'd like to push Avalon.Net forward quickly, or build something for
internal use (don't like this idea). I'd like to calling a vote to be a
committer based on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html
"In order for a Contributor to become a Committer, another Committer can
nominate that Contributor or the Contributor can ask for it. "
Thanks
hammett
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Hamilton Veríssimo de Oliveira wrote:
>Hi
>
>After a week of brainstorm I found that the most valuable way of
>architect a new system (based on entities, persistence and business
>rules) is using Avalon. _Unfortunatelly_ this application should be
>written in .Net and Avalon is *very* premature.
>
>So I'd like to push Avalon.Net forward quickly, or build something for
>internal use (don't like this idea). I'd like to calling a vote to be a
>committer based on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html
>
>"In order for a Contributor to become a Committer, another Committer can
>nominate that Contributor or the Contributor can ask for it. "
>
>
Consider yourself nominated!
+1 for hammet as committer
Steve.
>
>Thanks
>
>hammett
>
>
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Hamilton Veríssimo de Oliveira wrote:
> Hi
>
> After a week of brainstorm I found that the most valuable way of
> architect a new system (based on entities, persistence and business
> rules) is using Avalon. _Unfortunatelly_ this application should be
> written in .Net and Avalon is *very* premature.
>
> So I'd like to push Avalon.Net forward quickly, or build something for
> internal use (don't like this idea). I'd like to calling a vote to be a
> committer based on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/roles.html
>
> "In order for a Contributor to become a Committer, another Committer can
> nominate that Contributor or the Contributor can ask for it. "
>
>
> Thanks
>
> hammett
Considering the involvement you have had so far with Avalon.NET, I second
your request.
+1 from me!
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003, Paul Hammant wrote:
> >>It is also standard for people to not propose themselves :-)
> Consider the precedent. Surely that does not require explanation.
>
> Hammett, as it happens, is no fly by night contributor to Avalon.
Paul,
I'm saying that it doesn't matter if a person is proposed by
existing committers or by him/herself. They still have to be voted in and
a comitter still has to send off a note to root to grant them karma.
So even if we get 1000 people who propose themselves it makes no
difference at all since they'll all be rejected. And the risk that we'd
get a 1000-email flood of nominations that have no hope in hell of passing
the vote is at the same level as someone signing up for this list and
flooding it with plain ol' crap and can be dealt with in the same way.
I don't see what the problem with proposing oneself as a committer is.
/LS
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>.
Leo,
>>It is also standard for people to not propose themselves :-)
>>
>>
>
>Paul,
>
>having balls hasn't counted against a man so far. Why start now?
>
>
Consider the precedent. Surely that does not require explanation.
Hammett, as it happens, is no fly by night contributor to Avalon.
- Paul
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Paul Hammant wrote:
> It is also standard for people to not propose themselves :-)
Paul,
having balls hasn't counted against a man so far. Why start now?
Either way, consider him nominated by me.
/LS
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>.
Hammett,
It is also standard for people to not propose themselves :-)
- Paul
>
>
>>I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
>>patches prior to nomination.
>>
>>
>
>I had quote a Apache rule in my original post. Anyway, if this decision is
>taken based on patch quantities, I'll have no chance. For several times I
>could do more to Avalon, but my hands were tied as I don't have enough
>knowledge from what Berin and Chris expected. Anyway contributions is not
>restrict to patchs. I first engaged in discussions almost always related to
>Avalon.Net. You can check it
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=
>dev_avalon_apache_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=hammett
>
>The first is dated Jul 29.
>
>I respect your vote, but you are trying to have a decision based on quantity
>instead of quality.
>
>
>hammett
>
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@apache.org>.
Paul Hammant wrote:
> Hammett,
>
>>> I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
>>> patches prior to nomination.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I had quote a Apache rule in my original post. Anyway, if this
>> decision is
>> taken based on patch quantities, I'll have no chance. For several times I
>> could do more to Avalon, but my hands were tied as I don't have enough
>> knowledge from what Berin and Chris expected. Anyway contributions is not
>> restrict to patchs. I first engaged in discussions almost always
>> related to
>> Avalon.Net. You can check it
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=
>>
>> dev_avalon_apache_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=hammett
>>
>> The first is dated Jul 29.
>>
>> I respect your vote, but you are trying to have a decision based on
>> quantity
>> instead of quality.
>>
> Both. The standard advice is to not rush committers in.
>
> It is nothing personal.
Paul, just so I can lay my eyes on it, where are these "Apache rules"? Do
you have a link? THere is nothing on the main www.apache.org site regarding
contributions, etc. To be honest, out of all the projects I have been involved
in, only one held to the six month guideline--XML Axis (now in ws.apache.org).
I have yet to see an Apache HTML page saying that the "rule" exists.
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>.
Hammett,
>>I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
>>patches prior to nomination.
>>
>>
>
>I had quote a Apache rule in my original post. Anyway, if this decision is
>taken based on patch quantities, I'll have no chance. For several times I
>could do more to Avalon, but my hands were tied as I don't have enough
>knowledge from what Berin and Chris expected. Anyway contributions is not
>restrict to patchs. I first engaged in discussions almost always related to
>Avalon.Net. You can check it
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=
>dev_avalon_apache_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=hammett
>
>The first is dated Jul 29.
>
>I respect your vote, but you are trying to have a decision based on quantity
>instead of quality.
>
Both. The standard advice is to not rush committers in.
It is nothing personal.
- Paul
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by hammett <ha...@uol.com.br>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hammant" <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>
> I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
> patches prior to nomination.
I had quote a Apache rule in my original post. Anyway, if this decision is
taken based on patch quantities, I'll have no chance. For several times I
could do more to Avalon, but my hands were tied as I don't have enough
knowledge from what Berin and Chris expected. Anyway contributions is not
restrict to patchs. I first engaged in discussions almost always related to
Avalon.Net. You can check it
http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config=
dev_avalon_apache_org&restrict=&exclude=&words=hammett
The first is dated Jul 29.
I respect your vote, but you are trying to have a decision based on quantity
instead of quality.
hammett
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by hammett <ha...@uol.com.br>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Hammant" <pa...@yahoo.com>
> As pennance to myself I honor to apply the patches that Hammett sends in.
That's enough to me. I'll post the current work tonight.and I'll be happy
that you revise it and apply it to avalon-sandbox.
> I do not want anyone to feel that I do not welcome Hammett, I just think
> the hurdles prior to entry should be many. I appreciate that I got in to
> Apache on less than the months of work that I am proposing that we
> hold as a requirement.
Sounds that you had a not so good experience with a similar case, and I
don't know what happens, so I'll accept the veto (obviosly in a bad mood)
and continues to participate. Hope that you change your position in a near
future.
hammett
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Paul Hammant <pa...@yahoo.com>.
Stephen,
> As you know, your vote against the participation of hammett as a
> committer is a veto. It seems to me that this is real shame because I
> think his contributions over the past four months have been valuable. I
> would appreciate it if you would reconsidered you position. In light of
> this veto, I would like to propose that hammett be granted provisional
> commit rights under the sandbox CVS as an interim measure.
>
> Do you have any objection to this proposal?
I'm really sorry. There, in my opinion, should be no part entry to Apache.
As pennance to myself I honor to apply the patches that Hammett sends in. I do not want anyone to
feel that I do not welcome Hammett, I just think the hurdles prior to entry should be many. I
appreciate that I got in to Apache on less than the months of work that I am proposing that we
hold as a requirement.
Regards,
- Paul
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Paul Hammant wrote:
> Hamilton
>
>> "In order for a Contributor to become a Committer, another Committer can
>> nominate that Contributor or the Contributor can ask for it. "
>>
>>
> -1
>
> I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
> patches prior to nomination.
Paul:
As you know, your vote against the participation of hammett as a
committer is a veto. It seems to me that this is real shame because I
think his contributions over the past four months have been valuable. I
would appreciate it if you would reconsidered you position. In light of
this veto, I would like to propose that hammett be granted provisional
commit rights under the sandbox CVS as an interim measure.
Do you have any objection to this proposal?
Stephen.
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Re: Calling for vote
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@ThoughtWorks.net>.
Hamilton
>"In order for a Contributor to become a Committer, another Committer can
>nominate that Contributor or the Contributor can ask for it. "
>
>
-1
I'd like to stick to standard Apache rules for committers. Months of
patches prior to nomination.
New projects are different. Avalon is not in a position to accept new
projects.
- Paul
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RE: Calling for vote
Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.
+1 and welcome!
> From: Hamilton Veríssimo de Oliveira
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