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[jira] Created: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
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Key: LEGAL-72
URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
Project: Legal Discuss
Issue Type: Question
Reporter: Sebb
http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
License
LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
As a binary dependency?
As source, which is then modified?
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Re: [jira] Created: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On 16/05/2010, Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net> wrote:
> Marshall Schor wrote:
>
> > The home page for the site, at http://www.7-zip.org says that the most
> > of the code is under the GNU LGPL, and gives this pointer:
> > http://www.7-zip.org/license.txt
> >
> > which is certainly different from what the other page says.
> >
>
> The home page refers to the 7-Zip file archiver,
> while the other page refers to the LZMA SDK.
I've updated the JIRA with the same info...
> Apparently, they know the difference between
> LGPL-licensed and public domain :-)
> cheers,
> Roland
>
>
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Re: [jira] Created: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
Posted by Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net>.
Marshall Schor wrote:
> The home page for the site, at http://www.7-zip.org says that the most
> of the code is under the GNU LGPL, and gives this pointer:
> http://www.7-zip.org/license.txt
>
> which is certainly different from what the other page says.
The home page refers to the 7-Zip file archiver,
while the other page refers to the LZMA SDK.
Apparently, they know the difference between
LGPL-licensed and public domain :-)
cheers,
Roland
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Re: [jira] Created: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@apache.org>.
Sounds like something for Sebb to take up with the author.
Most crucial points:
* What is the licensing of the download?
* What about the UnRAR code, was that put in the public domain as
well, or removed?
Hen
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com> wrote:
> This may take more investigation.
>
> The home page for the site, at http://www.7-zip.org says that the most
> of the code is under the GNU LGPL, and gives this pointer:
> http://www.7-zip.org/license.txt
>
> which is certainly different from what the other page says.
>
> -Marshall Schor
>
> On 5/15/2010 5:41 AM, Sebb (JIRA) wrote:
>> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Key: LEGAL-72
>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
>> Project: Legal Discuss
>> Issue Type: Question
>> Reporter: Sebb
>>
>>
>> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
>>
>> License
>>
>> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
>>
>> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
>> As a binary dependency?
>> As source, which is then modified?
>>
>>
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Re: [jira] Created: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
Posted by Marshall Schor <ms...@schor.com>.
This may take more investigation.
The home page for the site, at http://www.7-zip.org says that the most
of the code is under the GNU LGPL, and gives this pointer:
http://www.7-zip.org/license.txt
which is certainly different from what the other page says.
-Marshall Schor
On 5/15/2010 5:41 AM, Sebb (JIRA) wrote:
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
>
> License
>
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
>
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
>
>
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12868014#action_12868014 ]
Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-72:
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I'd like to see a copy of the public domain statement in there. Given it's only going in the NOTICE, I think we can afford to be verbose:
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The files in the package org.apache.commons.compress.lzma were derived from the 7Zip Java SDK, version 9.12 Beta (Java/SevenZip/), which has been placed in the public domain:
"LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain." (http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html)
=================
Obviously change version or Apache package if those are incorrect :)
Something I think we should err towards is saying something was placed in the public domain, not that it is public domain.
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Closed: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ]
Henri Yandell closed LEGAL-72.
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Resolution: Fixed
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Sebb (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867972#action_12867972 ]
Sebb commented on LEGAL-72:
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The question arises from Commons Compress:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMPRESS-111
The patch that is provided is based on the 7Zip SDK, but the code has been heavily re-worked, and the reporter has added AL headers.
Maybe it is sufficient to just acknowledge the source of the new files?
E.g.
"The files in the package lzma were derived from the 7Zip Java SDK (http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html) which is public domain"
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Sebb (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
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Sebb commented on LEGAL-72:
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Thanks!
What header should be used on the source files?
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Sebb (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867971#action_12867971 ]
Sebb commented on LEGAL-72:
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The main 7Zip package is GPL+UnRAR; the SDK is public domain.
See last paragraph of http://www.7-zip.org/faq.html "Can I use the source code of 7-Zip in a commercial application?" for further information.
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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Re: [jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.
non-binding +1
On May 15, 2010, at 12:17 PM, Henri Yandell (JIRA) wrote:
>
> [ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867902#action_12867902 ]
>
> Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-72:
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yes, Yes, Yes. :)
>
> Basically treat as Category A.
>
> ---
>
> Public Domain in general - my thoughts here are that we treat such things as a very basic "attribution please" license. We should record in the LICENSE/NOTICE files that the product either includes some discrete public domain binary, or that our source contains code from '7-zip: "COPY OF PD STATEMENT".'
>
> Qn: Can we include works whose 'license' is a statement that the work is placed in the public domain?
> Ans: Yes. Treat as a Category A license (see link:above), including attribution of the product name, and the statement that it is placed in the public domain in your license attribution.
>
> Anyone +1 on that resolved.html addition?
>
>> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
>> ----------------------------------------
>>
>> Key: LEGAL-72
>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
>> Project: Legal Discuss
>> Issue Type: Question
>> Reporter: Sebb
>>
>> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
>> License
>> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
>> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
>> As a binary dependency?
>> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867902#action_12867902 ]
Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-72:
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Yes, Yes, Yes. :)
Basically treat as Category A.
---
Public Domain in general - my thoughts here are that we treat such things as a very basic "attribution please" license. We should record in the LICENSE/NOTICE files that the product either includes some discrete public domain binary, or that our source contains code from '7-zip: "COPY OF PD STATEMENT".'
Qn: Can we include works whose 'license' is a statement that the work is placed in the public domain?
Ans: Yes. Treat as a Category A license (see link:above), including attribution of the product name, and the statement that it is placed in the public domain in your license attribution.
Anyone +1 on that resolved.html addition?
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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[jira] Commented: (LEGAL-72) Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache
products?
Posted by "Henri Yandell (JIRA)" <ji...@apache.org>.
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=12867956#action_12867956 ]
Henri Yandell commented on LEGAL-72:
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Noting that question has been raised on legal-discuss@ pointing at confusion on the 7-zip site. One page says public domain, another (the homepage) says GPL + UnRAR.
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On the header for source files... interesting question. By the spirit of a public domain statement we don't have to put anything there; so the simple solution would be to identify the inclusion in the LICENSE/NOTICE, but not in the source itself. Akin to something coming in via CLA that the author wants called out in the NOTICE.
> Can 7Zip SDK be used in Apache products?
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Key: LEGAL-72
> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-72
> Project: Legal Discuss
> Issue Type: Question
> Reporter: Sebb
>
> http://www.7-zip.org/sdk.html says:
> License
> LZMA SDK is placed in the public domain.
> Is this acceptable for inclusion within Apache products?
> As a binary dependency?
> As source, which is then modified?
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