Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>]

Hi,

I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
Vietnamese Language site.

The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
usage by end users, at least not that I an see.

I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
couse:

In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.

On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:

- Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
help to the English language forum.

- Disable the ability to register new accounts.

- Lock all lists on the forum.

This will effectively close the forum.
/////

The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
English form a few minutes ago.

Best wishes,

Drew Jensen

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>]

To follow up on this.

Locked the forum down a few minutes ago.

Failed to get a Vi translation of the shutdown notice so went with both
English and French. 
- included a call for anyone interested in helping revive the site,
along with a link to the forum admin board as a way to start the
process.

//drew

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 13:27 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> On 31 January 2012 13:26, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 01:07 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 31 January 2012 00:54, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 00:38 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >> >> Hi Drew,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
> >> >> > Vietnamese Language site.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
> >> >> > a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
> >> >> > usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
> >> >> > couse:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
> >> >> > help to the English language forum.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Lock all lists on the forum.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This will effectively close the forum.
> >> >> > /////
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
> >> >> > English form a few minutes ago.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Drew Jensen
> >> >>
> >> >> Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
> >> >> while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
> >> >> community were now in LO's fold.
> >> >>
> >> >> But that was then.
> >> >
> >> > Yes more then once with no response.
> >> >
> >> > Honestly though, the 3rd party libO forum with a VI section really isn't
> >> > taking off either, nor is the mailing list traffic for that matter.
> >> >
> >> > Hope springs eternal however and is why I propose locking it for now,
> >> > rather then just taking it down, at least for a while longer.
> >>
> >> Agree. I'd also like to reach out again to VT. The reason why V. and
> >> others gave for LO was that they had more positive response there than
> >> with Oracle's OOo. What a surprise. But as the new world is a gooder
> >> world, and in this nascent place there is no end of future, Why not?
> >> Ciao
> > Hi Louis, et all
> >
> > That's great if you want to try and reach out again.
> >
> > quick notes:
> >
> > 1 - no one should construe that this has anything at all to do with
> > Oracle or ASF or LibreOffice - the issues are long standing.
> >
> > 2 - Floris V (AKA Peter) jumped in this morning and cleaned the site up
> > - much appreciated.
> >
> > I'll be drafting the shutdown notice for display at the site tonight and
> > passing it along for review to the folks on the Admin board at the
> > forums. If there is anyone that could handle a translation of that from
> > English to Vietnamese it would be appreciated, if not will just go with
> > the English version.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > //drew
> 
> double plus agreed.
> Louis
> >
> 

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>]

On 31 January 2012 13:26, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 01:07 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 00:54, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 00:38 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> >> Hi Drew,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> >
>> >> > I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
>> >> > Vietnamese Language site.
>> >> >
>> >> > The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
>> >> > a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
>> >> > usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
>> >> > couse:
>> >> >
>> >> > In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
>> >> >
>> >> > - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
>> >> > help to the English language forum.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Lock all lists on the forum.
>> >> >
>> >> > This will effectively close the forum.
>> >> > /////
>> >> >
>> >> > The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
>> >> > English form a few minutes ago.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best wishes,
>> >> >
>> >> > Drew Jensen
>> >>
>> >> Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
>> >> while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
>> >> community were now in LO's fold.
>> >>
>> >> But that was then.
>> >
>> > Yes more then once with no response.
>> >
>> > Honestly though, the 3rd party libO forum with a VI section really isn't
>> > taking off either, nor is the mailing list traffic for that matter.
>> >
>> > Hope springs eternal however and is why I propose locking it for now,
>> > rather then just taking it down, at least for a while longer.
>>
>> Agree. I'd also like to reach out again to VT. The reason why V. and
>> others gave for LO was that they had more positive response there than
>> with Oracle's OOo. What a surprise. But as the new world is a gooder
>> world, and in this nascent place there is no end of future, Why not?
>> Ciao
> Hi Louis, et all
>
> That's great if you want to try and reach out again.
>
> quick notes:
>
> 1 - no one should construe that this has anything at all to do with
> Oracle or ASF or LibreOffice - the issues are long standing.
>
> 2 - Floris V (AKA Peter) jumped in this morning and cleaned the site up
> - much appreciated.
>
> I'll be drafting the shutdown notice for display at the site tonight and
> passing it along for review to the folks on the Admin board at the
> forums. If there is anyone that could handle a translation of that from
> English to Vietnamese it would be appreciated, if not will just go with
> the English version.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> //drew

double plus agreed.
Louis
>

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>]

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 01:07 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 31 January 2012 00:54, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 00:38 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >> Hi Drew,
> >>
> >>
> >> On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
> >> > Vietnamese Language site.
> >> >
> >> > The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
> >> > a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
> >> > usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
> >> > couse:
> >> >
> >> > In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
> >> >
> >> > On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
> >> >
> >> > - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
> >> > help to the English language forum.
> >> >
> >> > - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
> >> >
> >> > - Lock all lists on the forum.
> >> >
> >> > This will effectively close the forum.
> >> > /////
> >> >
> >> > The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
> >> > English form a few minutes ago.
> >> >
> >> > Best wishes,
> >> >
> >> > Drew Jensen
> >>
> >> Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
> >> while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
> >> community were now in LO's fold.
> >>
> >> But that was then.
> >
> > Yes more then once with no response.
> >
> > Honestly though, the 3rd party libO forum with a VI section really isn't
> > taking off either, nor is the mailing list traffic for that matter.
> >
> > Hope springs eternal however and is why I propose locking it for now,
> > rather then just taking it down, at least for a while longer.
> 
> Agree. I'd also like to reach out again to VT. The reason why V. and
> others gave for LO was that they had more positive response there than
> with Oracle's OOo. What a surprise. But as the new world is a gooder
> world, and in this nascent place there is no end of future, Why not?
> Ciao
Hi Louis, et all

That's great if you want to try and reach out again.

quick notes:

1 - no one should construe that this has anything at all to do with
Oracle or ASF or LibreOffice - the issues are long standing.

2 - Floris V (AKA Peter) jumped in this morning and cleaned the site up
- much appreciated.

I'll be drafting the shutdown notice for display at the site tonight and
passing it along for review to the folks on the Admin board at the
forums. If there is anyone that could handle a translation of that from
English to Vietnamese it would be appreciated, if not will just go with
the English version.

Thanks again,

//drew

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>]

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts
<ls...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But as the new world is a gooder
> world, and in this nascent place there is no end of future, Why not?

Okay.  I'm putting that up on my wall.

Don

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

On 31 January 2012 00:54, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 00:38 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>>
>> On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
>> > Vietnamese Language site.
>> >
>> > The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
>> > a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
>> > usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
>> > couse:
>> >
>> > In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
>> >
>> > On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
>> >
>> > - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
>> > help to the English language forum.
>> >
>> > - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
>> >
>> > - Lock all lists on the forum.
>> >
>> > This will effectively close the forum.
>> > /////
>> >
>> > The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
>> > English form a few minutes ago.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Drew Jensen
>>
>> Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
>> while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
>> community were now in LO's fold.
>>
>> But that was then.
>
> Yes more then once with no response.
>
> Honestly though, the 3rd party libO forum with a VI section really isn't
> taking off either, nor is the mailing list traffic for that matter.
>
> Hope springs eternal however and is why I propose locking it for now,
> rather then just taking it down, at least for a while longer.

Agree. I'd also like to reach out again to VT. The reason why V. and
others gave for LO was that they had more positive response there than
with Oracle's OOo. What a surprise. But as the new world is a gooder
world, and in this nascent place there is no end of future, Why not?
Ciao
Louis
>
>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -louis
>>
>
>

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[drew <dr...@baseanswers.com>]

On Tue, 2012-01-31 at 00:38 -0500, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi Drew,
> 
> 
> On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
> > Vietnamese Language site.
> >
> > The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
> > a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
> > usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
> >
> > I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
> > couse:
> >
> > In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
> >
> > On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
> >
> > - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
> > help to the English language forum.
> >
> > - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
> >
> > - Lock all lists on the forum.
> >
> > This will effectively close the forum.
> > /////
> >
> > The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
> > English form a few minutes ago.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew Jensen
> 
> Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
> while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
> community were now in LO's fold.
> 
> But that was then.

Yes more then once with no response.

Honestly though, the 3rd party libO forum with a VI section really isn't
taking off either, nor is the mailing list traffic for that matter.

Hope springs eternal however and is why I propose locking it for now,
rather then just taking it down, at least for a while longer.


> >
> >
> 
> -louis
> 

Re: Proposal to close the Vietnamese Language User Forum

[Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>]

Hi Drew,


On 31 January 2012 00:34, drew <dr...@baseanswers.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was poked by one of the folks on the forums today with regards to the
> Vietnamese Language site.
>
> The site has been left without any native language supporters for quite
> a while and is once again sprouting a nice growth of SPAM, with no real
> usage by end users, at least not that I an see.
>
> I would like to propose the following - barring any strong objections of
> couse:
>
> In the morning I'll start cleaning up the spam.
>
> On Feb 2nd will take the following steps:
>
> - Post a global announcement on the forum directly future requests for
> help to the English language forum.
>
> - Disable the ability to register new accounts.
>
> - Lock all lists on the forum.
>
> This will effectively close the forum.
> /////
>
> The same proposal was posted to the Forum Governance board on the
> English form a few minutes ago.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew Jensen

Have you or anyone you know contacted the former VT group? I tried a
while ago (early last year) and was informed that most of the
community were now in LO's fold.

But that was then.
>
>

-louis