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draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
trunk, which I understand will be soon:
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
-Rob
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>
I think it is a good thing that other projects find our work useful
and take the code to help their users as well. Hoarding is against
the open source ethic. But this works both ways. So it is very sad
that we never receive patches upstream. We all realize that the
license permits this one-way taking of code. But we also all realize
that kind of behavior is frowned upon in the larger open source
community.
Let me think of what I can say in the blog post without being combative.
Regards,
-Rob
> but that just my way of thinking.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> -Rob
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility
Support
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 11/13/13 10:08 PM, janI wrote:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>
> but that just my way of thinking.
I can understand you but that is something we probably can't prevent.
The only thing we can do is to talk about it publicly. And yes we will
see postings where people explain that they have merged the long
promised but never integrated iAccessbility2 features from Symphony in
there code and probably no word about AOO. The fact that Steve worked
several month on this to make it happen and that IBM sponsored this work
is then not important. At least not worth to mention because it would be
positive feedback.
Juergen
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility
Support
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11/14/2013 03:30 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI<ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>>
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>>
>>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>>
>>
>> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
>> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
>> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
>> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>>
>
> I've updated the draft here:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
Thanks, great text.
Marcus
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
> >> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
> >>
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
> >>
> >> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
> >> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
> >>
> >
> > Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> > correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> > other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> > sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
> >
>
> I've updated the draft here:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
looks good -- very much to the point
>
>
> > but that just my way of thinking.
> >
> > rgds
> > jan I.
> >
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:08 PM, janI <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>
I've updated the draft here:
https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
Regards,
-Rob
> but that just my way of thinking.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility
Support
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11/13/2013 10:08 PM, schrieb janI:
> On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>
> Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
> correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
> other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
> sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
>
> but that just my way of thinking.
A hint were the feature has its roots in indeed helpful. Helpful for
everybody who wants to know or to proof.
Marcua
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by janI <ja...@apache.org>.
On 13 November 2013 20:28, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>
> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>
Having learned from the experience with the sidebar, I think it would be
correct to add that we (of course) make these new features available to
other office packages. I for one still get a bit upset, thinking how the
sidebar was announced in other packages, before we released it.
but that just my way of thinking.
rgds
jan I.
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Steve Yin <st...@gmail.com>.
That reads better. : )
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de>
> wrote:
> > Am 11/13/2013 09:12 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Donald Whytock<dw...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
> >>>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
> >>>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Looks good in general. How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind
> or
> >>> low-sight"?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain what the preferred term is these
> >> days. I certainly don't want to cause offense by using the wrong
> >> words. But I did see the term "blind or low-sight" on a website
> >> discussing assistive technologies. If anyone (Stuart, maybe?) knows
> >> better, let me know.
> >
> >
> > I had a remarkable experience when I wrote something about sound in
> > StarOffice (yes, years ago) and how deaf people could work with it. The
> way
> > of how to explain it was wrong with the wording I used, I had to correct
> it
> > in in a policitcal correct way and give an apology to the group who
> wrote a
> > mail to point me to the error.
> >
> > Therefore I would say it's better to spend more time than you think
> first to
> > use the correct wordings.
> >
>
> I searched for answers and found this, from the American Foundation
> for the Blind:
>
> When you speak about someone with a disability, refer to the person
> and then to the disability. For example, refer to "a person who is
> blind" rather than to "a blind person."
>
> http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?SectionID=36&TopicID=163&DocumentID=2263
>
> Given those guidelines maybe we change the current:
>
> "Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
> assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
> enables more productive use of OpenOffice by blind and low-vision
> users."
>
> to
>
> "Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
> assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
> enables more productive use of OpenOffice users who are blind or have
> low-vision." ???
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > I'm sure Steve can lend a helping hand here.
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Marcus (OOo) <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Am 11/13/2013 09:12 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Donald Whytock<dw...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>>>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>>>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Looks good in general. How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind or
>>> low-sight"?
>>>
>>
>> Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain what the preferred term is these
>> days. I certainly don't want to cause offense by using the wrong
>> words. But I did see the term "blind or low-sight" on a website
>> discussing assistive technologies. If anyone (Stuart, maybe?) knows
>> better, let me know.
>
>
> I had a remarkable experience when I wrote something about sound in
> StarOffice (yes, years ago) and how deaf people could work with it. The way
> of how to explain it was wrong with the wording I used, I had to correct it
> in in a policitcal correct way and give an apology to the group who wrote a
> mail to point me to the error.
>
> Therefore I would say it's better to spend more time than you think first to
> use the correct wordings.
>
I searched for answers and found this, from the American Foundation
for the Blind:
When you speak about someone with a disability, refer to the person
and then to the disability. For example, refer to "a person who is
blind" rather than to "a blind person."
http://www.afb.org/section.aspx?SectionID=36&TopicID=163&DocumentID=2263
Given those guidelines maybe we change the current:
"Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
enables more productive use of OpenOffice by blind and low-vision
users."
to
"Support for these interfaces enables screen readers and other
assistive technologies to work with Apache OpenOffice, which in turn
enables more productive use of OpenOffice users who are blind or have
low-vision." ???
Regards,
-Rob
> I'm sure Steve can lend a helping hand here.
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced Accessibility
Support
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 11/13/2013 09:12 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Donald Whytock<dw...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir<ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>>
>>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>>
>>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>>
>>>
>> Looks good in general. How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind or
>> low-sight"?
>>
>
> Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain what the preferred term is these
> days. I certainly don't want to cause offense by using the wrong
> words. But I did see the term "blind or low-sight" on a website
> discussing assistive technologies. If anyone (Stuart, maybe?) knows
> better, let me know.
I had a remarkable experience when I wrote something about sound in
StarOffice (yes, years ago) and how deaf people could work with it. The
way of how to explain it was wrong with the wording I used, I had to
correct it in in a policitcal correct way and give an apology to the
group who wrote a mail to point me to the error.
Therefore I would say it's better to spend more time than you think
first to use the correct wordings.
I'm sure Steve can lend a helping hand here.
Marcus
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Donald Whytock <dw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
>> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>>
>> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
>> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>>
>>
> Looks good in general. How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind or
> low-sight"?
>
Honestly, I'm not absolutely certain what the preferred term is these
days. I certainly don't want to cause offense by using the wrong
words. But I did see the term "blind or low-sight" on a website
discussing assistive technologies. If anyone (Stuart, maybe?) knows
better, let me know.
-Rob
> Don
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Re: draft blog post: Apache OpenOffice 4.1 to Bring Enhanced
Accessibility Support
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:28 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> This will be something to post after Steve merges the code intro the
> trunk, which I understand will be soon:
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=apache_openoffice_4_1_to
>
> Does anyone have anything else to add? A quote from an assistive
> technology vendor or accessibility expert would be good.
>
>
Looks good in general. How does "vision-impaired" compare to "blind or
low-sight"?
Don