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Posted to dev@struts.apache.org by David Graham <dg...@hotmail.com> on 2003/02/04 18:40:27 UTC
Re: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
The templates taglib is already deprecated. We won't move the base servlet
spec to 2.3 until 2.0 which means no filters, el, or jstl dependencies.
Thanks for the suggestions.
David
>From: "Vic Cekvenich" <vi...@basebeans.com>
>Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>Subject: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
>Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:45 -0500
>
>If I can say ....
>Please consider releasing nightly build (w/o EL) very, very soon, as a RC1;
>+ plus a note of the know bugs.
>(I know it's not ideal, but it's an *exit* strategy).
>As soon as the bugs are fixed, release.
>Of course if something *new* shows up in RC1, then have RC2.
>
>At this point I would rather have 1.1a if something new shows up; other
>Jakarta projects have.
>
>
>Note: I plant to try to take basicPortal.com to Jakarta incubator, very
>soon, coments welcome.
>
>And if anyone wants to contribute to an online class (people only pay
>"WebEx" charges), coming up very soon.
>
>vc at basebeans.com
>
>Then my 1.2 wishlist (Craig?)
>- HTML-el
>- ship with JSTL (Maven?)
>- deprecate templates
>- deprecate (means will be gone after 2.0) beans tag (so people can use
>core
>tag)
>- split struts jar in 2. One for tags(and nested), one for rest. (So one
>day
>Struts could move most it's tags to jakarta.taglibs. Thus people can render
>anyway they want, ex: Faces tag)
>- include simple version of Scafolding BaseAction (w/ default disptach) and
>BaseFormBean (w/ beantuils to copy multirow) - This hints people in a good
>direction.
>- better tiles and login example (Container based security)
>- filters? listeners?
>- please include struts-menu by S. Skyles (in strutstags.jar), it is
>popular
>as any tag and singe point for navigations.
>- faces "extension"
>- multi row example app in contrib ?
>- master/detail example app in contrib ?
>- Servlet 2.3
>(be glad to do half of any of above)
>
>Past 2.0 wish list:
>- Axis controller
>- Commons-SQL or Castor (or RowSet) example app w/Struts.
>- DAO interface/factory (in Commons?)
>- Deprecate most tags (let people use taglibs for render,or Velocity, or
>faces....) but support JSP 2.0 in this release (HTML-EL, Faces, Tiles,
>Validator only; no logic, etc. support)
>- XML "generator". Have you used JasperReports? "He" create an XML file
>that
>"compiles" to something else. So if we create a XML file (with bands?) that
>"compiles" to JSP and struts.config, ,etc.? Then others can write XML
>generators for any output. Of course, base extension classes behind.
>- JDK1.4 required
>- Servlet 2.4
>- There were a lot of 2.0 ideas.... I can't recall them.
>
>It is more exciting past 1.1.
>
>.V
>
>
>
>
>
>"Ted Husted" <hu...@apache.org> wrote in message
>news:3E3FB33C.2030800@apache.org...
> > I would agree with Craig that dates are good motivators for cutting
> > betas, but to cut a Release Candidate, logically, we need to be
> > release-ready. The objective release-ready test is what shows up in
> > Bugzilla. So, someone has to either fix or defer (in good conscious) any
> > outstanding tickets.
> >
> > As for the Release Plan, we can continue to amend the B3 page. When
> > we're ready for R1, make the final revisions and re-post it under a new
> > name. Since everything should be done by then, the freeze date can be
> > set for +(72 hours), to coincide with the close of the vote.
> >
> > At this point, I just don't have any more blood to shed for 1.1. If we
> > can't get this thing out the door in February, then we should look for
> > some more comitters who can.
> >
> > Either way, come March, I say it's time to get a fresh,
> > test-first-design start on 2.x. A year of FUD is more than enough.
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> > Martin Cooper wrote:
> > > Ted had suggested that we resolve the outstanding items first, and
>then
> > > put together a release plan, complete with tag date. See:
> > >
> > >
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=struts-dev@jakarta.apa
>che.org&msgId=612913
> > >
> > > However, I don't believe that's working. In fact, as I believe Ted
>himself
> > > said of the 1.1-b3 drive, having a date to aim for is a better
>motivator.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I don't have much time to help
>kill
> > > outstanding bug reports for RC1, due to current "day job" pressures.
>It'd
> > > be great to see an RC1 on or around Feb 14th, and I can do the RM
>thing,
> > > but I'm going to have to rely on others of you to get us ready for
>that.
> > >
> > >
> > >>Also, what is the status of the idea of separating the contrib
>libraries
> > >>out of the release? I'm not certain what the result was of any vote
>on
> > >>this, but I had the impression there wasn't enough response to make a
> > >>decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > IMO, Struts-EL should stay put until we get Struts 1.1 out the door.
>After
> > > that, we can discuss how to incorporate contrib code into the release
>as
> > > part of a broader discussion of how to factor distributions.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Martin Cooper
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ted Husted,
> > Struts in Action <http://husted.com/struts/book.html>
>
>
>
>
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Re: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
Posted by Vic Cekvenich <ma...@basebeans.com>.
No HTML-EL in 1.2?
Is that final?
.V
"David Graham" <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:F149P7iJczq0PZw01GZ00013535@hotmail.com...
> The templates taglib is already deprecated. We won't move the base
servlet
> spec to 2.3 until 2.0 which means no filters, el, or jstl dependencies.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> David
>
>
>
> >From: "Vic Cekvenich" <vi...@basebeans.com>
> >Reply-To: "Struts Developers List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >To: struts-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> >Subject: exit stratefy was Plans for the upcoming 2/14 soft deadline
> >Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:13:45 -0500
> >
> >If I can say ....
> >Please consider releasing nightly build (w/o EL) very, very soon, as a
RC1;
> >+ plus a note of the know bugs.
> >(I know it's not ideal, but it's an *exit* strategy).
> >As soon as the bugs are fixed, release.
> >Of course if something *new* shows up in RC1, then have RC2.
> >
> >At this point I would rather have 1.1a if something new shows up; other
> >Jakarta projects have.
> >
> >
> >Note: I plant to try to take basicPortal.com to Jakarta incubator, very
> >soon, coments welcome.
> >
> >And if anyone wants to contribute to an online class (people only pay
> >"WebEx" charges), coming up very soon.
> >
> >vc at basebeans.com
> >
> >Then my 1.2 wishlist (Craig?)
> >- HTML-el
> >- ship with JSTL (Maven?)
> >- deprecate templates
> >- deprecate (means will be gone after 2.0) beans tag (so people can use
> >core
> >tag)
> >- split struts jar in 2. One for tags(and nested), one for rest. (So one
> >day
> >Struts could move most it's tags to jakarta.taglibs. Thus people can
render
> >anyway they want, ex: Faces tag)
> >- include simple version of Scafolding BaseAction (w/ default disptach)
and
> >BaseFormBean (w/ beantuils to copy multirow) - This hints people in a
good
> >direction.
> >- better tiles and login example (Container based security)
> >- filters? listeners?
> >- please include struts-menu by S. Skyles (in strutstags.jar), it is
> >popular
> >as any tag and singe point for navigations.
> >- faces "extension"
> >- multi row example app in contrib ?
> >- master/detail example app in contrib ?
> >- Servlet 2.3
> >(be glad to do half of any of above)
> >
> >Past 2.0 wish list:
> >- Axis controller
> >- Commons-SQL or Castor (or RowSet) example app w/Struts.
> >- DAO interface/factory (in Commons?)
> >- Deprecate most tags (let people use taglibs for render,or Velocity, or
> >faces....) but support JSP 2.0 in this release (HTML-EL, Faces, Tiles,
> >Validator only; no logic, etc. support)
> >- XML "generator". Have you used JasperReports? "He" create an XML file
> >that
> >"compiles" to something else. So if we create a XML file (with bands?)
that
> >"compiles" to JSP and struts.config, ,etc.? Then others can write XML
> >generators for any output. Of course, base extension classes behind.
> >- JDK1.4 required
> >- Servlet 2.4
> >- There were a lot of 2.0 ideas.... I can't recall them.
> >
> >It is more exciting past 1.1.
> >
> >.V
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Ted Husted" <hu...@apache.org> wrote in message
> >news:3E3FB33C.2030800@apache.org...
> > > I would agree with Craig that dates are good motivators for cutting
> > > betas, but to cut a Release Candidate, logically, we need to be
> > > release-ready. The objective release-ready test is what shows up in
> > > Bugzilla. So, someone has to either fix or defer (in good conscious)
any
> > > outstanding tickets.
> > >
> > > As for the Release Plan, we can continue to amend the B3 page. When
> > > we're ready for R1, make the final revisions and re-post it under a
new
> > > name. Since everything should be done by then, the freeze date can be
> > > set for +(72 hours), to coincide with the close of the vote.
> > >
> > > At this point, I just don't have any more blood to shed for 1.1. If we
> > > can't get this thing out the door in February, then we should look for
> > > some more comitters who can.
> > >
> > > Either way, come March, I say it's time to get a fresh,
> > > test-first-design start on 2.x. A year of FUD is more than enough.
> > >
> > > -Ted.
> > >
> > > Martin Cooper wrote:
> > > > Ted had suggested that we resolve the outstanding items first, and
> >then
> > > > put together a release plan, complete with tag date. See:
> > > >
> > > >
>
>http://archives.apache.org/eyebrowse/ReadMsg?listName=struts-dev@jakarta.ap
a
> >che.org&msgId=612913
> > > >
> > > > However, I don't believe that's working. In fact, as I believe Ted
> >himself
> > > > said of the 1.1-b3 drive, having a date to aim for is a better
> >motivator.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, as I mentioned before, I don't have much time to help
> >kill
> > > > outstanding bug reports for RC1, due to current "day job" pressures.
> >It'd
> > > > be great to see an RC1 on or around Feb 14th, and I can do the RM
> >thing,
> > > > but I'm going to have to rely on others of you to get us ready for
> >that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Also, what is the status of the idea of separating the contrib
> >libraries
> > > >>out of the release? I'm not certain what the result was of any vote
> >on
> > > >>this, but I had the impression there wasn't enough response to make
a
> > > >>decision.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IMO, Struts-EL should stay put until we get Struts 1.1 out the door.
> >After
> > > > that, we can discuss how to incorporate contrib code into the
release
> >as
> > > > part of a broader discussion of how to factor distributions.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin Cooper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ted Husted,
> > > Struts in Action <http://husted.com/struts/book.html>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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