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Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
All,
Is it a requirement or a 'good thing (tm)' to have the following
groupId and version for maven built incubator projects?
e.g. take wicket-parent:
<groupId>org.apache.incubator.wicket</groupid>
<artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
<version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
Or is it ok to do:
<groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
<artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
<version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
Or just:
<groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
<artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
<version>1.3-SNAPSHOT</version>
Martijn
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Re: Re: Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 11/11/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right. But if they specify org.apache.wicket:wicket:1.0, and some
> dependency they have has a dependency on
> org.apache.incubator.wicket:wicket:1.0-incubating, they'll end up with
> both. If the groupId is the same, they'll just the dependency they
> specified.
OK, understood.
Martijn
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Re: Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
My understanding is the same as Wendy and Stephen's. Put incubating
in the version (required), not the groupId or artifactId.
Yoav
On 11/11/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Right. But if they specify org.apache.wicket:wicket:1.0, and some
> dependency they have has a dependency on
> org.apache.incubator.wicket:wicket:1.0-incubating, they'll end up with
> both. If the groupId is the same, they'll just the dependency they
> specified.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/11/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > <groupId>org.apache.incubator.wicket</groupid>
> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> > >
> > > I think that's a bad thing, as upon the first release after
> > > graduation, the groupId will change, and therefore your pre-post &
> > > graduation artifacts will be considered to be totally different. This
> > > will expose problems to users of your artifacts because Maven can't
> > > prevent them from getting two different versions of wicket.
> >
> > But that is the same as for changing the version. Either way people
> > *have* to change their pom's to reflect the new release.
> >
> > Martijn
> >
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Re: Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
Right. But if they specify org.apache.wicket:wicket:1.0, and some
dependency they have has a dependency on
org.apache.incubator.wicket:wicket:1.0-incubating, they'll end up with
both. If the groupId is the same, they'll just the dependency they
specified.
-Stephen
On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > <groupId>org.apache.incubator.wicket</groupid>
> > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >
> > I think that's a bad thing, as upon the first release after
> > graduation, the groupId will change, and therefore your pre-post &
> > graduation artifacts will be considered to be totally different. This
> > will expose problems to users of your artifacts because Maven can't
> > prevent them from getting two different versions of wicket.
>
> But that is the same as for changing the version. Either way people
> *have* to change their pom's to reflect the new release.
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 11/11/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <groupId>org.apache.incubator.wicket</groupid>
> > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>
> I think that's a bad thing, as upon the first release after
> graduation, the groupId will change, and therefore your pre-post &
> graduation artifacts will be considered to be totally different. This
> will expose problems to users of your artifacts because Maven can't
> prevent them from getting two different versions of wicket.
But that is the same as for changing the version. Either way people
*have* to change their pom's to reflect the new release.
Martijn
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> Is it a requirement or a 'good thing (tm)' to have the following
> groupId and version for maven built incubator projects?
>
> e.g. take wicket-parent:
>
> <groupId>org.apache.incubator.wicket</groupid>
> <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
I think that's a bad thing, as upon the first release after
graduation, the groupId will change, and therefore your pre-post &
graduation artifacts will be considered to be totally different. This
will expose problems to users of your artifacts because Maven can't
prevent them from getting two different versions of wicket.
> Or is it ok to do:
>
> <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
My understanding is that this is the policy agreed upon here. It's
how we're doing it in Abdera.
-Stephen
> Or just:
>
> <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> <version>1.3-SNAPSHOT</version>
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
Good point! :)
-Stephen
On 11/15/06, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
>
> I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the alpha
> version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
>
> Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
> opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
>
> Craig
>
> On Nov 15, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Duncan wrote:
>
> > I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
> >
> > -Stephen
> >
> > On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> >> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
> >>
> >> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
> >> > our standard.
> >> >
> >>
> >> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta, milestone. No
> >> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
> >> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-apache-
> >> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
> >>
> >> Jason.
> >>
> >> > Hen
> >> >
> >> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Abdera uses incubating.
> >> >>
> >> >> -Stephen
> >> >>
> >> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> >> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> >> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> >> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the
> >> >> groupId
> >> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
> >> >> "incubating" in
> >> >> > > the artifact name.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Next question:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Should it be:
> >> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> >> >> > or:
> >> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
> >> >> (incubating) or
> >> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
> >> >> incubating.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Does it matter?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> > Principal Engineer
> >> >> > IONA
> >> >> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
> >> >> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
As long as it makes some sense in english am ok :) hopefully noone
will i18n-ize the name of the file :)
-- dims
On 11/16/06, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> >
> > On 15 Nov 06, at 8:34 PM 15 Nov 06, Craig L Russell wrote:
> >
> >> Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
> >>
> >> I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the
> >> alpha version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
> >>
> >> Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
> >> opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
> >>
> >
> > Make up what you like, it's really only important that they all be
> > done the same way.
>
> I hate to be querulous, but why is it important that all be done the
> same way? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" --
> Emerson.
>
> What makes this consistency an important, wise, or necessary one?
>
> Craig
> >
> > Jason.
> >
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> On Nov 15, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Duncan wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
> >>>
> >>> -Stephen
> >>>
> >>> On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> >>>> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
> >>>> > our standard.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta,
> >>>> milestone. No
> >>>> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
> >>>> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-
> >>>> apache-
> >>>> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jason.
> >>>>
> >>>> > Hen
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> Abdera uses incubating.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> -Stephen
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> >>>> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst
> >>>> <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
> >>>> >> > > >
> >>>> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> >>>> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> >>>> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so
> >>>> that the
> >>>> >> groupId
> >>>> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
> >>>> >> > >
> >>>> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
> >>>> >> "incubating" in
> >>>> >> > > the artifact name.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Next question:
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Should it be:
> >>>> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> >>>> >> > or:
> >>>> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
> >>>> >> (incubating) or
> >>>> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
> >>>> >> incubating.
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > Does it matter?
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> > --
> >>>> >> > J. Daniel Kulp
> >>>> >> > Principal Engineer
> >>>> >> > IONA
> >>>> >> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
> >>>> >> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
> >>>> >> >
> >>>> >> >
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
On 11/16/06, Craig L Russell <Cr...@sun.com> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> >
> > On 15 Nov 06, at 8:34 PM 15 Nov 06, Craig L Russell wrote:
> >
> >> Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
> >>
> >> I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the
> >> alpha version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
> >>
> >> Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
> >> opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
> >>
> >
> > Make up what you like, it's really only important that they all be
> > done the same way.
>
> I hate to be querulous, but why is it important that all be done the
> same way? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" --
> Emerson.
>
> What makes this consistency an important, wise, or necessary one?
The point of a repository is to be structured - so consistency in
things enhances the value of the repository. Plus things are less
confusing and easier to learn when there's a clear simple option
rather than a compromise 'put whatever you want in there provided it
... '.
Hen
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hi Jason,
On Nov 15, 2006, at 10:55 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> On 15 Nov 06, at 8:34 PM 15 Nov 06, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
>> Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
>>
>> I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the
>> alpha version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
>>
>> Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
>> opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
>>
>
> Make up what you like, it's really only important that they all be
> done the same way.
I hate to be querulous, but why is it important that all be done the
same way? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds" --
Emerson.
What makes this consistency an important, wise, or necessary one?
Craig
>
> Jason.
>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Duncan wrote:
>>
>>> I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
>>>
>>> -Stephen
>>>
>>> On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
>>>> > our standard.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta,
>>>> milestone. No
>>>> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
>>>> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-
>>>> apache-
>>>> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
>>>>
>>>> Jason.
>>>>
>>>> > Hen
>>>> >
>>>> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> Abdera uses incubating.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Stephen
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
>>>> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst
>>>> <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
>>>> >> > > >
>>>> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
>>>> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
>>>> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so
>>>> that the
>>>> >> groupId
>>>> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
>>>> >> "incubating" in
>>>> >> > > the artifact name.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Next question:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Should it be:
>>>> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
>>>> >> > or:
>>>> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
>>>> >> (incubating) or
>>>> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
>>>> >> incubating.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Does it matter?
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > J. Daniel Kulp
>>>> >> > Principal Engineer
>>>> >> > IONA
>>>> >> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
>>>> >> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On 15 Nov 06, at 8:34 PM 15 Nov 06, Craig L Russell wrote:
> Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
>
> I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the alpha
> version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
>
> Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
> opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
>
Make up what you like, it's really only important that they all be
done the same way.
Jason.
> Craig
>
> On Nov 15, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Duncan wrote:
>
>> I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>>> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>>
>>> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
>>> > our standard.
>>> >
>>>
>>> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta, milestone. No
>>> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
>>> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-
>>> apache-
>>> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
>>>
>>> Jason.
>>>
>>> > Hen
>>> >
>>> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Abdera uses incubating.
>>> >>
>>> >> -Stephen
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
>>> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
>>> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
>>> >> > > >
>>> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
>>> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
>>> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that
>>> the
>>> >> groupId
>>> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
>>> >> "incubating" in
>>> >> > > the artifact name.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Next question:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Should it be:
>>> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
>>> >> > or:
>>> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
>>> >> (incubating) or
>>> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
>>> >> incubating.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Does it matter?
>>> >> >
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>>> >> > Principal Engineer
>>> >> > IONA
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>.
Hate to quibble, but incubating is a gerund used as an adjective. ;-)
I also think of alpha and beta as adjectives also, as in "the alpha
version", alpha being an adjective modifying version.
Bottom line, I like incubating, as it describes the release, as
opposed to incubator which isn't very descriptive.
Craig
On Nov 15, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Stephen Duncan wrote:
> I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
>
> -Stephen
>
> On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
>> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>
>> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
>> > our standard.
>> >
>>
>> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta, milestone. No
>> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
>> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-apache-
>> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
>>
>> Jason.
>>
>> > Hen
>> >
>> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Abdera uses incubating.
>> >>
>> >> -Stephen
>> >>
>> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
>> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
>> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
>> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the
>> >> groupId
>> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
>> >> "incubating" in
>> >> > > the artifact name.
>> >> >
>> >> > Next question:
>> >> >
>> >> > Should it be:
>> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
>> >> > or:
>> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
>> >> >
>> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
>> >> (incubating) or
>> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
>> >> >
>> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
>> >> incubating.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does it matter?
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > J. Daniel Kulp
>> >> > Principal Engineer
>> >> > IONA
>> >> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
>> >> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
I think incubating here is being used in noun form as a gerund... ;)
-Stephen
On 11/15/06, Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org> wrote:
> On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> > incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
> > our standard.
> >
>
> As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta, milestone. No
> one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
> it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-apache-
> incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
>
> Jason.
>
> > Hen
> >
> > On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Abdera uses incubating.
> >>
> >> -Stephen
> >>
> >> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> >> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> >> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Or is it ok to do:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> >> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> >> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >> > >
> >> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the
> >> groupId
> >> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
> >> > >
> >> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
> >> "incubating" in
> >> > > the artifact name.
> >> >
> >> > Next question:
> >> >
> >> > Should it be:
> >> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> >> > or:
> >> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
> >> >
> >> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
> >> (incubating) or
> >> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
> >> >
> >> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
> >> incubating.
> >> >
> >> > Does it matter?
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > J. Daniel Kulp
> >> > Principal Engineer
> >> > IONA
> >> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
> >> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@maven.org>.
On 12 Nov 06, at 6:17 PM 12 Nov 06, Henri Yandell wrote:
> incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating
> our standard.
>
As a qualifier a noun should be used like alpha, beta, milestone. No
one generally uses verbs in a version like incubating. Also because
it's just the version we're using you might want 1.0-SNAPSHOT-apache-
incubator if you want to be entirely clear.
Jason.
> Hen
>
> On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Abdera uses incubating.
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
>> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Or is it ok to do:
>> > > >
>> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
>> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
>> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>> > >
>> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the
>> groupId
>> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
>> > >
>> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having
>> "incubating" in
>> > > the artifact name.
>> >
>> > Next question:
>> >
>> > Should it be:
>> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
>> > or:
>> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
>> >
>> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing
>> (incubating) or
>> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
>> >
>> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using
>> incubating.
>> >
>> > Does it matter?
>> >
>> > --
>> > J. Daniel Kulp
>> > Principal Engineer
>> > IONA
>> > P: 781-902-8727 C: 508-380-7194 F:781-902-8001
>> > daniel.kulp@iona.com
>> >
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Henri Yandell <fl...@gmail.com>.
incubating appears to be the more common - let's make incubating our standard.
Hen
On 11/12/06, Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Abdera uses incubating.
>
> -Stephen
>
> On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> > > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Or is it ok to do:
> > > >
> > > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> > > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> > >
> > > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the groupId
> > > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
> > >
> > > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having "incubating" in
> > > the artifact name.
> >
> > Next question:
> >
> > Should it be:
> > 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> > or:
> > 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
> >
> > Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing (incubating) or
> > where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
> >
> > CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using incubating.
> >
> > Does it matter?
> >
> > --
> > J. Daniel Kulp
> > Principal Engineer
> > IONA
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Stephen Duncan <st...@gmail.com>.
Abdera uses incubating.
-Stephen
On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> > On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Or is it ok to do:
> > >
> > > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> > > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
> >
> > From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the groupId
> > and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
> >
> > It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having "incubating" in
> > the artifact name.
>
> Next question:
>
> Should it be:
> 1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> or:
> 1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
>
> Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing (incubating) or
> where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
>
> CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using incubating.
>
> Does it matter?
>
> --
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> Principal Engineer
> IONA
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On 11/11/06, Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com> wrote:
> CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using incubating.
>
> Does it matter?
Nah. -- justin
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Daniel Kulp <da...@iona.com>.
On Saturday November 11 2006 3:51 pm, Wendy Smoak wrote:
> On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Or is it ok to do:
> >
> > <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> > <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> > <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>
> From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the groupId
> and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
>
> It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having "incubating" in
> the artifact name.
Next question:
Should it be:
1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT
or:
1.3-incubator-SNAPSHOT
Basically, is it supposed to be what the project is doing (incubating) or
where the artifact came from (the incubator)? Noun or verb?
CXF and Tuscany are currently using incubator. Yoko is using incubating.
Does it matter?
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Re: Maven pom, groupId and version for incubating projects
Posted by Wendy Smoak <ws...@gmail.com>.
On 11/11/06, Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Or is it ok to do:
>
> <groupId>org.apache.wicket</groupid>
> <artifactId>wicket-parent</artifactId>
> <version>1.3-incubating-SNAPSHOT</version>
>From a Maven point of view, this one is preferable so that the groupId
and artifactId will not have to change after graduation.
It also meets the requirement (convention?) of having "incubating" in
the artifact name.
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