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CND integration status
Hello all...
After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
Thanks...
--
Best regards,
Anton V. Kirilchik
E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
Re: CND integration status
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Yep, it seems we can it get to compile, but we'll be missing some newer
enhancements (C++ 14 and C++ 17 support as in 8.2). We'll have to rework
that somehow in the future.
But let's get the cnd donation building and with proper licenses first,
and let's worry about running and enhancements later on.
Cheers,
Antonio
P.S.:
These files were originally created by third parties, and their origin
could be not clear enough for Oracle to donate with confidence.
On 24/03/2021 21:50, Kai Uwe Pel wrote:
> Good idea !!!
>
> Cheers
> Kai
>
> On 3/24/2021 9:40 PM, antonio wrote:
>> Well, it seems Emilian Bold keeps an open-source version at [1], [2],
>> that I think we can incorporate into Apache 2.0 source code.
>>
>> Let's see just how deep that rabbit hole goes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/ddf7b064d46d371e2d1c69f30176b7ddb11178c1/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/CPPParserEx.java
>>
>>
>> [2]
>> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/56b0267c4f2252f9f7f55e6df47c98ac43a8d11a/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/cppparser.g
>>
>>
>>
>> El 18/3/21 a las 4:29, Eric Bresie escribió:
>>> Regarding the parser, is that a candidate to replace with an LSP
>>> implementation?
>>>
>>> Eric Bresie
>>> Ebresie@gmail.com (mailto:Ebresie@gmail.com)
>>>
>>>> On March 17, 2021 at 1:34:24 AM CDT, antonio <antonio@vieiro.net
>>>> (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
>>>> binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I
>>>> thought we
>>>> could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
>>>> all).
>>>>
>>>> But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
>>>> and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
>>>> 8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
>>>> features.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
>>>> does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
>>>> modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
>>>> project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
>>>> implementation as Laszlo suggests.
>>>>
>>>> A while back I opened this issue:
>>>>
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
>>>>
>>>> to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
>>>> something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source
>>>> that
>>>> throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
>>>> problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
>>>>
>>>> Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
>>>>
>>>> This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
>>>> clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
>>>> got there.
>>>>
>>>> I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
>>>> compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
>>>> the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
>>>> module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
>>>> to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
>>>>
>>>> So, to summarize:
>>>>
>>>> - We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
>>>> release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
>>>> - There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
>>>> seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
>>>> proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file
>>>> that
>>>> explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
>>>> - Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
>>>> NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> The missing parser module is
>>>> "org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
>>>>
>>>> In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
>>>> "binaries-list" file here:
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
>>>>> Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly
>>>>> generated,
>>>>> then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
>>>>> The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
>>>>> generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
>>>>> around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
>>>>>> With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
>>>>>> their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
>>>>>> through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think getting it to compile without requiring modification
>>>>>> should be
>>>>>> the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
>>>>>> branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
>>>>>> ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
>>>>>> functions that need to be implemented etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
>>>>>> rolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tristan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
>>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)
>>>>>> <dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll
>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> do some extra effort here. Some findings:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license.
>>>>>> This is
>>>>>> already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do
>>>>>> is to
>>>>>> implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile
>>>>>> things,
>>>>>> then implement them once things build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
>>>>>> Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
>>>>>> stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update
>>>>>> it and
>>>>>> do a preliminar PR for review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of
>>>>>> licensing
>>>>>> issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
>>>>>> complicated/impossible during the donation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>>> Recently discussed here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>>>> <kosmonaffft@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaffft@gmail.com)>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>>>>>>>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new
>>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and
>>>>>>>> how i
>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com)
>>>>>>>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>>>>>>>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by Kai Uwe Pel <ku...@webnetproject.com>.
Good idea !!!
Cheers
Kai
On 3/24/2021 9:40 PM, antonio wrote:
> Well, it seems Emilian Bold keeps an open-source version at [1], [2],
> that I think we can incorporate into Apache 2.0 source code.
>
> Let's see just how deep that rabbit hole goes.
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/ddf7b064d46d371e2d1c69f30176b7ddb11178c1/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/CPPParserEx.java
>
>
> [2]
> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/56b0267c4f2252f9f7f55e6df47c98ac43a8d11a/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/cppparser.g
>
>
>
> El 18/3/21 a las 4:29, Eric Bresie escribió:
>> Regarding the parser, is that a candidate to replace with an LSP
>> implementation?
>>
>> Eric Bresie
>> Ebresie@gmail.com (mailto:Ebresie@gmail.com)
>>
>>> On March 17, 2021 at 1:34:24 AM CDT, antonio <antonio@vieiro.net
>>> (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
>>> binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I
>>> thought we
>>> could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
>>> all).
>>>
>>> But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
>>> and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
>>> 8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
>>> features.
>>>
>>> I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
>>> does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
>>> modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
>>> project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
>>> implementation as Laszlo suggests.
>>>
>>> A while back I opened this issue:
>>>
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
>>>
>>> to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
>>> something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source
>>> that
>>> throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
>>> problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
>>>
>>> Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
>>>
>>> This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
>>> clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
>>> got there.
>>>
>>> I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
>>> compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
>>> the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
>>> module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
>>> to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
>>>
>>> So, to summarize:
>>>
>>> - We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
>>> release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
>>> - There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
>>> seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
>>> proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file
>>> that
>>> explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
>>> - Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
>>> NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
>>>
>>> I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> The missing parser module is
>>> "org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
>>>
>>> In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
>>> "binaries-list" file here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
>>>> Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly
>>>> generated,
>>>> then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
>>>> The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
>>>> generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
>>>> around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
>>>>
>>>> On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
>>>>> With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
>>>>> their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
>>>>> through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think getting it to compile without requiring modification
>>>>> should be
>>>>> the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
>>>>> branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
>>>>> ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
>>>>> functions that need to be implemented etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
>>>>> rolling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tristan
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
>>>>> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)
>>>>> <dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)>
>>>>> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll
>>>>> have to
>>>>> do some extra effort here. Some findings:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing
>>>>> to do
>>>>> is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license.
>>>>> This is
>>>>> already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do
>>>>> is to
>>>>> implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile
>>>>> things,
>>>>> then implement them once things build.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
>>>>> Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
>>>>> stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update
>>>>> it and
>>>>> do a preliminar PR for review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Antonio
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of
>>>>> licensing
>>>>> issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
>>>>> complicated/impossible during the donation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>>> Recently discussed here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gj
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>>> <kosmonaffft@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaffft@gmail.com)>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>>>>>>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new
>>>>>>> releases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and
>>>>>>> how i
>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com)
>>>>>>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Well, it seems Emilian Bold keeps an open-source version at [1], [2],
that I think we can incorporate into Apache 2.0 source code.
Let's see just how deep that rabbit hole goes.
Cheers,
Antonio
[1]
https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/ddf7b064d46d371e2d1c69f30176b7ddb11178c1/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/CPPParserEx.java
[2]
https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/56b0267c4f2252f9f7f55e6df47c98ac43a8d11a/cnd.modelimpl/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/modelimpl/parser/cppparser.g
El 18/3/21 a las 4:29, Eric Bresie escribió:
> Regarding the parser, is that a candidate to replace with an LSP implementation?
>
> Eric Bresie
> Ebresie@gmail.com (mailto:Ebresie@gmail.com)
>
>> On March 17, 2021 at 1:34:24 AM CDT, antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
>> binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I thought we
>> could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
>> all).
>>
>> But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
>> and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
>> 8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
>> features.
>>
>> I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
>> does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
>> modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
>> project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
>> implementation as Laszlo suggests.
>>
>> A while back I opened this issue:
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
>>
>> to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
>> something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source that
>> throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
>> problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
>>
>> Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
>>
>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
>>
>> This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
>> clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
>> got there.
>>
>> I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
>> compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
>> the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
>> module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
>> to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
>>
>> So, to summarize:
>>
>> - We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
>> release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
>> - There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
>> seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
>> proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file that
>> explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
>> - Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
>> NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
>>
>> I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>> [1]
>> The missing parser module is
>> "org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
>>
>> In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
>> "binaries-list" file here:
>>
>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
>>
>> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
>>
>>
>> El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
>>> Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly generated,
>>> then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
>>> The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
>>> generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
>>> around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
>>>
>>> On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
>>>> With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
>>>> their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
>>>> through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
>>>>
>>>> I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be
>>>> the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
>>>> branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
>>>> ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
>>>> functions that need to be implemented etc.
>>>>
>>>> Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
>>>> rolling.
>>>>
>>>> Tristan
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
>>>> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org) <dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)>
>>>> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
>>>> do some extra effort here. Some findings:
>>>>
>>>> 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
>>>> is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
>>>> already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
>>>>
>>>> 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
>>>> implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
>>>> then implement them once things build.
>>>>
>>>> 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
>>>> Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
>>>> stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
>>>> do a preliminar PR for review.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Antonio
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
>>>> issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
>>>> complicated/impossible during the donation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>> Recently discussed here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>> <kosmonaffft@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaffft@gmail.com)>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>>>>>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com)
>>>>>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>>>>>
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Re: Re: CND integration status
Posted by Eric Bresie <eb...@gmail.com>.
Regarding the parser, is that a candidate to replace with an LSP implementation?
Eric Bresie
Ebresie@gmail.com (mailto:Ebresie@gmail.com)
> On March 17, 2021 at 1:34:24 AM CDT, antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
> binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I thought we
> could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
> all).
>
> But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
> and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
> 8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
> features.
>
> I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
> does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
> modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
> project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
> implementation as Laszlo suggests.
>
> A while back I opened this issue:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
>
> to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
> something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source that
> throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
> problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
>
> Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
>
> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
>
> This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
> clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
> got there.
>
> I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
> compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
> the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
> module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
> to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
>
> So, to summarize:
>
> - We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
> release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
> - There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
> seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
> proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file that
> explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
> - Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
> NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
>
> I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> [1]
> The missing parser module is
> "org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
>
> In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
> "binaries-list" file here:
>
> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
>
> https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
>
>
> El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
> > Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly generated,
> > then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
> > The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
> > generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
> > around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
> >
> > On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
> > > With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
> > > their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
> > > through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
> > >
> > > I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be
> > > the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
> > > branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
> > > ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
> > > functions that need to be implemented etc.
> > >
> > > Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
> > > rolling.
> > >
> > > Tristan
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: antonio <antonio@vieiro.net (mailto:antonio@vieiro.net)>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
> > > To: dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org) <dev@netbeans.apache.org (mailto:dev@netbeans.apache.org)>
> > > Subject: Re: CND integration status
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
> > > do some extra effort here. Some findings:
> > >
> > > 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
> > > is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
> > > already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
> > >
> > > 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
> > > implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
> > > then implement them once things build.
> > >
> > > 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
> > > Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
> > > stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
> > > do a preliminar PR for review.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Antonio
> > >
> > > P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
> > > issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
> > > complicated/impossible during the donation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > > > Recently discussed here:
> > > >
> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
> > > > <kosmonaffft@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaffft@gmail.com)>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello all...
> > > > >
> > > > > After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
> > > > > NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i
> > > > > (and
> > > > > may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Anton V. Kirilchik
> > > > >
> > > > > E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com (mailto:kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com)
> > > > > Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
> > > > >
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi,
Yep, in order to get things compiling I uploaded the old NetBeans 8.2
binary of the non-donated parser to OSOUL [1] a while back. I thought we
could use that binary temporarily to speed up things (it's CDDL'd after
all).
But as Laszlo says it would be good to understand what the module does
and build a parser from scratch. Note that C++ has evolved a lot since
8.2 days, so I assume we'll have to update the parser with latest C++
features.
I think it's ok to look at the old repository to know _what_ the module
does, but of course we can't just copy the sources of non-donated
modules (GPL+CPE/CDDL) and just paste them in an Apache Licensed
project. This is strictly forbidden. I'd go with a clean-room
implementation as Laszlo suggests.
A while back I opened this issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-4619
to track the problems I was finding with the CND donation. When
something was missing or not implemented I simply added some source that
throws an Exception, added a subtask to NETBEANS-4619 to track what the
problem was and kept-on trying to compile the cnd cluster.
Also there's a branch in my repo you may want to take a look at:
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/tree/issues/NETBEANS-4619
This does compile several modules in the cnd cluster. You can try to
clone that branch and run "ant -Dcluster.config=cnd" to see how far I
got there.
I may be able to upload some more commits to that branch with a
compilable version of "cnd.modelimpl". I'm currently stuck in finding
the license info for the "open-fortran-parser-0.7.1.2.zip" file. Next
module in the dependency tree seems to be the "cnd.remote" which seems
to need a "cnd-rfs-1.0-zip" file (no idea what this does, though).
So, to summarize:
- We can get going with the 8.2 parser binary for compilation. Even for
release. It would be nice to have a new parser implementation.
- There's a lot of research to be done finding third-party licenses,
seeing if they're compatible, uploading them to OSOUL and adding the
proper entries in external/binaries-list, with a companion txt file that
explains the license of the dependency (see [1] for an example).
- Once the "cnd" cluster compiles we should go take a look at
NETBEANS-4619 to find-out what needs a new implementation.
I hope this clarifies, let me know any questions you may have.
Kind regards,
Antonio
[1]
The missing parser module is
"org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt".
In my NETBEANS-4619 branch I added the binary to OSOUL and to the
"binaries-list" file here:
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/binaries-list
https://github.com/vieiro/netbeans/blob/issues/NETBEANS-4619/cnd/libs.antlr.cnd/external/org-netbeans-modules-cnd-antlr-RELEASE82.jar.txt
El 16/3/21 a las 23:37, Laszlo Kishalmi escribió:
> Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly generated,
> then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
> The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
> generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
> around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
>
> On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
>> With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of
>> their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either
>> through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
>>
>> I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be
>> the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the
>> branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to
>> ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having
>> functions that need to be implemented etc.
>>
>> Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball
>> rolling.
>>
>> Tristan
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: antonio <an...@vieiro.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
>> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
>> do some extra effort here. Some findings:
>>
>> 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
>> is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
>> already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
>>
>> 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
>> implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
>> then implement them once things build.
>>
>> 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
>> Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
>> stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
>>
>> I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
>> do a preliminar PR for review.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Antonio
>>
>> P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
>> issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
>> complicated/impossible during the donation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>> Recently discussed here:
>>>
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik
>>> <ko...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all...
>>>>
>>>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>>>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>>>>
>>>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i
>>>> (and
>>>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks...
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>>
>>>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
>>>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>>>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by Laszlo Kishalmi <la...@gmail.com>.
Well, as far as I checked the non donated parser was a mostly generated,
then customized code. I can understand why the license was not clear.
The best thing would be if we can re-implement that module, by
generating a parser from the source and implementing the required glue
around that. Though it requires deep knowledge and time...
On 3/16/21 3:14 PM, Tristan Lewis wrote:
> With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
>
> I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having functions that need to be implemented etc.
>
> Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball rolling.
>
> Tristan
>
> ________________________________
> From: antonio <an...@vieiro.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>
> Hi all,
>
> I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
> do some extra effort here. Some findings:
>
> 1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
> is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
> already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
>
> 2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
> implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
> then implement them once things build.
>
> 3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
> Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
> stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
>
> I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
> do a preliminar PR for review.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
> P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
> issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
> complicated/impossible during the donation.
>
>
>
> On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> Recently discussed here:
>>
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all...
>>>
>>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>>>
>>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
>>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>>
>>> Thanks...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>>
>>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
>>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by Tristan Lewis <tr...@hotmail.com>.
With the non-donated parts, should we try to ascertain the state of their licenses? It seems we can access the original files - either through the old repository or via java de-compiling.
I think getting it to compile without requiring modification should be the first goal. I would think that reviewing changes from where the branch is currently towards getting it compiling is worthwhile to ensure we are tracking any work that we are necessitating by having functions that need to be implemented etc.
Having a pull request to look at might be a good way to get the ball rolling.
Tristan
________________________________
From: antonio <an...@vieiro.net>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2021 03:31
To: dev@netbeans.apache.org <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: CND integration status
Hi all,
I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
do some extra effort here. Some findings:
1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
then implement them once things build.
3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
do a preliminar PR for review.
Kind regards,
Antonio
P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
complicated/impossible during the donation.
On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Recently discussed here:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all...
>>
>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>>
>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>
>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>
>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Hi all,
I did a first contact with CND a while back and I'm afraid we'll have to
do some extra effort here. Some findings:
1.- There's a parser module that was not donated. Simplest thing to do
is to use the original one released under the GPL/CDDL license. This is
already in the "/binaries" OSUOSL.
2.- Some other parts were not donated either. Simplest thing to do is to
implement APIs with some sensible defaults in order to compile things,
then implement them once things build.
3.- This is a big cluster and I'm not sure how to review everything.
Maybe the idea is to have the cluster compiling, do a review of all
stuff, and then proceed with fine-tuning. Thoughts?
I think I have a branch in a laptop somewhere, maybe I can update it and
do a preliminar PR for review.
Kind regards,
Antonio
P.S.: I think these missing parts were not donated because of licensing
issues, probably because evaluating third-party licenses was too
complicated/impossible during the donation.
On 15/03/2021 17:58, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Recently discussed here:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all...
>>
>> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
>> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>>
>> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
>> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>>
>> Thanks...
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Anton V. Kirilchik
>>
>> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
>> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>>
>
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Re: CND integration status
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Yes, you are welcome to take that initiative, the more joining you in that
effort the better.
Gj
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 11:16 PM Tristan Lewis <tr...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> I've been wondering about this myself. I am largely unaware of the
> existing work done or any licence transition issues, but I getting the CND
> branch to build without requiring extra steps seems like a good place to
> start. I managed to build it locally with a bit of trial and error, so it
> seems as though it is still workable.
>
> I use the CND daily, so I would like to see it out of limbo sooner rather
> than later. Maybe some planning in JIRA needs to be done?
>
> Tristan
> ________________________________
> From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:58
> To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: CND integration status
>
> Recently discussed here:
>
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all...
> >
> > After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
> > NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
> >
> > So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
> > may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
> >
> > Thanks...
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Anton V. Kirilchik
> >
> > E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
> > Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
> >
>
Re: CND integration status
Posted by Tristan Lewis <tr...@hotmail.com>.
I've been wondering about this myself. I am largely unaware of the existing work done or any licence transition issues, but I getting the CND branch to build without requiring extra steps seems like a good place to start. I managed to build it locally with a bit of trial and error, so it seems as though it is still workable.
I use the CND daily, so I would like to see it out of limbo sooner rather than later. Maybe some planning in JIRA needs to be done?
Tristan
________________________________
From: Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2021 02:58
To: dev <de...@netbeans.apache.org>
Subject: Re: CND integration status
Recently discussed here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
Gj
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello all...
>
> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>
> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>
> Thanks...
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Anton V. Kirilchik
>
> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>
Re: CND integration status
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Recently discussed here:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1e570bfba35f6a1d5cd957b794e378dd69091fa491f2247f445508ff%40%3Cusers.netbeans.apache.org%3E
Gj
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021 at 5:53 PM Anton V. Kirilchik <ko...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello all...
>
> After a big pause in C/C++ i have returned to it and found that old
> NetBeans 8.2 features for C/C++ still not integrated into new releases.
>
> So, i'am interesting in which status this features are now and how i (and
> may be not only i) can help in moving them into new Apache NB.
>
> Thanks...
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Anton V. Kirilchik
>
> E-mail: kosmonaFFFt@gmail.com
> Skype: kosmonaFFFt.kav
>