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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> on 2012/01/12 16:02:07 UTC
[VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Hi Incubator PMC,
Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
description accordingly.
Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
As far as the podling is concerned:
3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
the Incubator PMC when that happens.
4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
-Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Scott Deboy <sc...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>wrote:
> +1
>
> here is then some update needed too (i think):
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Incubator PMC,
> >
> > Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> > the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> > and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> > between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
> >
> > If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> >
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> > description accordingly.
> >
> > Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> > Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
> >
> > Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
> >
> > 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board
> reports.
> >
> > 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> > mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> > enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
> >
> > As far as the podling is concerned:
> >
> > 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> > the Incubator PMC when that happens.
> >
> > 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> > current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
> >
> > 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
+1
here is then some update needed too (i think):
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 1/12/2012 9:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
+1
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Richard Frovarp <rf...@apache.org>.
On 01/12/2012 09:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
>
+1 (binding)
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Re: [Discuss] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>>> for yet another role will make a material
>>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>>
>> If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>> accept the podling.
>> This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>> do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>> Better less but well-cared podlings.
>
> I am choosing not to participate in this vote (my feeling is that in
> some cases it will definitely be helpful, in others it likely won't
> cause much harm, so treat my silence as +/- 0).
>
> But I am commenting on this thread (changing the subject line en
> passant) as I don't believe that one size fits all. In particular, I
> think that ooo has benefited from having multiple active mentors. I
> also believe that while that podling has quite a few challenges, being
> able to produce a full and complete report is not one of them. I also
> sense a strong intent to graduate.
>
>> How to care on what we have now is another question.
>
> I expect this vote to pass, and if it does, I am willing to champion JSPWiki.
>
If its still here I was wondering about one of the Kato guys being
their champion ;)
...ant
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[Discuss] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>> for yet another role will make a material
>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>
> If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
> accept the podling.
> This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
> do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
> Better less but well-cared podlings.
I am choosing not to participate in this vote (my feeling is that in
some cases it will definitely be helpful, in others it likely won't
cause much harm, so treat my silence as +/- 0).
But I am commenting on this thread (changing the subject line en
passant) as I don't believe that one size fits all. In particular, I
think that ooo has benefited from having multiple active mentors. I
also believe that while that podling has quite a few challenges, being
able to produce a full and complete report is not one of them. I also
sense a strong intent to graduate.
> How to care on what we have now is another question.
I expect this vote to pass, and if it does, I am willing to champion JSPWiki.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
My personal threshold for evaluating the
overall quality of a mentor's work is whether
or not I can exceed their level of competence
and effort towards a podling within 5 hours
of reviewing the podling's history. Most of
the time I can. Certainly can in the Kato and
Tashi cases.
You are right tho that mentoring is a sustained
commitment to a podling over a long period
of time. I think we are headed in the right
direction by actively reviewing the reports
of longstanding podlings to see whether their
mentors are still able to demonstrate oversight.
>________________________________
> From: Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>
>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well I think we will likely see more of the
>> same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion,
>> then wandering off once the podling is underway.
>
>Hm, you might be right on that.
>
>If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we already
>discussed, would it help? Not sure in this case. But if one must earn
>"IPMC" membership as in every other project, it is probably more
>likely that he will fulfill the duties he asked for.
>
>I just asked myself if such a longterm duty can work out in a
>volunteer based organisation. We all have dayjobs (most of us), people
>sometimes put up other prios. We ask for somebody who fills roles for
>a pretty long time and stay committed to a project. On other projects
>you can go silent for a while, this is not possible when being a
>mentor or a champion.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>>>> for yet another role will make a material
>>>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
>>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>>>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>>>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>>>
>>>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>>>accept the podling.
>>>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>>>do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>>>Better less but well-cared podlings.
>>>
>>>How to care on what we have now is another question.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>>>>
>>>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>>>>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
>>>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>>>>
>>>>>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well I think we will likely see more of the
> same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion,
> then wandering off once the podling is underway.
Hm, you might be right on that.
If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we already
discussed, would it help? Not sure in this case. But if one must earn
"IPMC" membership as in every other project, it is probably more
likely that he will fulfill the duties he asked for.
I just asked myself if such a longterm duty can work out in a
volunteer based organisation. We all have dayjobs (most of us), people
sometimes put up other prios. We ask for somebody who fills roles for
a pretty long time and stay committed to a project. On other projects
you can go silent for a while, this is not possible when being a
mentor or a champion.
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
>>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>
>>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>>> for yet another role will make a material
>>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>>
>>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>>accept the podling.
>>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>>do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>>Better less but well-cared podlings.
>>
>>How to care on what we have now is another question.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>>
>>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>>>
>>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>>>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
>>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>>>
>>>>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Well I think we will likely see more of the
same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion,
then wandering off once the podling is underway.
>________________________________
> From: Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>
>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>> for yet another role will make a material
>> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>
>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>accept the podling.
>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>Better less but well-cared podlings.
>
>How to care on what we have now is another question.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>
>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>>
>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>>
>>>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I doubt writing some more documentation on
> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
> for yet another role will make a material
> difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
> program, and the generally poor quality of
> mentoring is the natural result of that.
If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
accept the podling.
This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
Better less but well-cared podlings.
How to care on what we have now is another question.
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>
>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>
>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>
>>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
I doubt writing some more documentation on
some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
for yet another role will make a material
difference to anyone's behavior. Under Noel
we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
program, and the generally poor quality of
mentoring is the natural result of that.
>________________________________
> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Cc: Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>
>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>
>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>
>This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by "William A. Rowe Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
> Champion position so high that we wind up with
> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
to "Champion" the project at all? In which case we end up with the
handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
This may reset the bar. Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
Champion position so high that we wind up with
fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>________________________________
> From: Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>
>+1
>
>The role of the Champion in the past basically ended when the podling
>was accepted for incubation, which was unfortunate.
>
>Craig
>
>
>On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> Hi Incubator PMC,
>>
>> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
>> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
>> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
>> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>>
>> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>> description accordingly.
>>
>> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
>> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>>
>> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>>
>> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's
>> board reports.
>>
>> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
>> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
>> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>>
>> As far as the podling is concerned:
>>
>> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
>> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>>
>> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
>> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>>
>> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
+1
The role of the Champion in the past basically ended when the podling
was accepted for incubation, which was unfortunate.
Craig
On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's
> board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>>>> accordingly....
>>>
>> ...Did you update this too?
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
>> Think it is worth to mention it there too..
>
> I didn't change that...feel free ;-)
Oh dear, another item on my list, which is exploding these days! Will
try, but I am not unhappy if somebody else becomes creative.
Cheers!
Christian
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>>> accordingly....
>>
> ...Did you update this too?
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
> Think it is worth to mention it there too..
I didn't change that...feel free ;-)
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>> accordingly....
>
> Done in revision 1232798, I'll wait for that to be online to inform
> podlings of the change.
Did you update this too?
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html
Think it is worth to mention it there too
Cheers
Christian
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> accordingly....
Done in revision 1232798, I'll wait for that to be online to inform
podlings of the change.
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[RESULT][VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours...
The vote passes with binding +1s from
Ross Gardler
Ant Elder
Marcel Offermans
Luciano Resende
Christian Grobmeier
Scott Deboy
Chris Mattmann
Richard Frovarp
David Crossley
Mark Struberg
Jean-Baptiste Onofre
Jukka Zitting
Ate Douma
Bill Rowe
Craig Russell
and no other votes.
I'll update http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
accordingly.
-Bertrand
....
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
+1 Sounds good.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Ate Douma <at...@douma.nu>.
+1 (binding)
Ate
On 01/12/2012 04:02 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
+1
Makes perfect sense to me!
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
>
+1
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
+1 (binding)
LieGrue,
strub
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> +1 (binding).
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> Hi Incubator PMC,
>>
>> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
>> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
>> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
>> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>>
>> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
>>
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>> description accordingly.
>>
>> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
>> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>>
>> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>>
>> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board
> reports.
>>
>> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
>> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
>> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>>
>> As far as the podling is concerned:
>>
>> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
>> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>>
>> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
>> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>>
>> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation
coordinator"
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
+1 (binding).
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 12, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
I agree as well. A small step in the right direction. Should mean less
controversy...
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:38 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm +1 on this too. I think its the easiest way to get close to what
> Niclas was just suggesting of having only a single responsible mentor
> but avoids all the debates about changing the number mentors.
>
> ...ant
>
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Ross Gardler
> <rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> (thanks for bringing this together Bertrand)
>>
>> On 12 January 2012 15:02, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Incubator PMC,
>>>
>>> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
>>> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
>>> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
>>> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>>>
>>> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>>> description accordingly.
>>>
>>> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
>>> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>>>
>>> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>>>
>>> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>>>
>>> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
>>> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
>>> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>>>
>>> As far as the podling is concerned:
>>>
>>> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
>>> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>>>
>>> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
>>> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>>>
>>> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
+1
In the docs, please remind to keep site-author/podlings.xml@champion up-to-date.
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
I'm +1 on this too. I think its the easiest way to get close to what
Niclas was just suggesting of having only a single responsible mentor
but avoids all the debates about changing the number mentors.
...ant
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Ross Gardler
<rg...@opendirective.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> (thanks for bringing this together Bertrand)
>
> On 12 January 2012 15:02, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Incubator PMC,
>>
>> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
>> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
>> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
>> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>>
>> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
>> description accordingly.
>>
>> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
>> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>>
>> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>>
>> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>>
>> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
>> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
>> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>>
>> As far as the podling is concerned:
>>
>> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
>> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>>
>> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
>> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>>
>> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
+1
(thanks for bringing this together Bertrand)
On 12 January 2012 15:02, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> Here's the result of discussions that took place around Christmas -
> the goal is to try and improve the PMC's oversight on podling reports
> and missing mentors, by having the Champion act as the main liaison
> between a podling and the Incubator PMC.
>
> If we agree on the below principles, I'll update the
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion
> description accordingly.
>
> Please cast your votes to accept the following clarifications to the
> Champion's role - this majority vote is open for at least 72 hours:
>
> Once a podling is created, and until it graduates, its Champion must:
>
> 1. Coordinate the creation and timely delivery of the podling's board reports.
>
> 2. Keep an eye on the mentors' activity and take action (ask for new
> mentors, talk to the Incubator PMC) if they don't seem to provide
> enough oversight or mentorship to the podling,
>
> As far as the podling is concerned:
>
> 3. The podling can elect a new Champion at any time, and must notify
> the Incubator PMC when that happens.
>
> 4. Existing podlings will need to elect a Champion, unless their
> current one agrees to take on the above tasks.
>
> 5. The podling reports must indicate who the current Champion is.
>
> -Bertrand
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