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Posted to user@couchdb.apache.org by Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> on 2010/09/15 16:06:11 UTC
iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Hi,
I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not so
good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling on
the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty annoying.
If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less obvious.
Can someone think of a clever solution?
Thank you,
Ido
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Dale Harvey <da...@arandomurl.com>.
I didnt look into this particularly thouroughly, but I "think" that the
loading bar remains while there is a request open that has been made while
the document as a whole has kept loading, so if a longpoll request was made
before the last image / resource has loaded, the loading will wait until the
long poll has complete, a settimeout helps when stuff has been cached but I
think it wont help on a fresh request, Ill take a look / fix it in a bit.
On 15 September 2010 20:06, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
> application
> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
> >
> > It is the taskr application from github.
> >
>
> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a setTimeout
>
> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
>
> Chris
>
> > Ido
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not
> so
> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling
> on
> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
> annoying.
> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
> >> obvious.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Ido
> >> >
> >>
> >> longpoll or continuous ?
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Tyler Gillies <ty...@pdxbrain.com> wrote:
> The only real way to get around the continual load in using a "patch" My
> implementation is to first request a 404 page and then request a real page.
> I like chris's [ how do you punctuate that?] way of doing it better.
>
i think the long term solution will be websockets
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How is that other sites the user ajax and longpoll does not keep the page
>> loading forever?
>> the setTimeout look like a patch, working one, but still a patch.
>>
>> Ido
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > > I have to say that Focus really works much better.
>> > > Both in desktop browser and in the iPhone the site now loaded and
>> update
>> > in
>> > > the background.
>> > > If you can explain what you did different in little more detail it will
>> > be
>> > > great.
>> > >
>> >
>> > There is a lot different, the big change is here, I think:
>> >
>> > http://github.com/couchone/Focus/blob/master/_attachments/index.html#L30
>> >
>> > > Thank you,
>> > > Ido
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
>> > >> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
>> > >> application
>> > >> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It is the taskr application from github.
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a
>> > setTimeout
>> > >>
>> > >> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
>> > >>
>> > >> Chris
>> > >>
>> > >> > Ido
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <
>> bchesneau@gmail.com
>> > >> >wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >> >> > Hi,
>> > >> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something
>> > not
>> > >> so
>> > >> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long
>> > polling
>> > >> on
>> > >> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
>> > >> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
>> > >> annoying.
>> > >> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat
>> less
>> > >> >> obvious.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Thank you,
>> > >> >> > Ido
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> longpoll or continuous ?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Chris Anderson
>> > >> http://jchrisa.net
>> > >> http://couch.io
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Chris Anderson
>> > http://jchrisa.net
>> > http://couch.io
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/about#tyler
>
> Ask me anything <http://tumble.pdxbrain.com/ask>!
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Tyler Gillies <ty...@pdxbrain.com>.
side note:
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/2964/when-did-it-become-correct-to-add-an-s-to-a-singular-possessive-already-ending
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 6:13 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On 16 Sep 2010, at 01:25, Tyler Gillies <ty...@pdxbrain.com> wrote:
>
> > I like chris's [ how do you punctuate that?] ...
>
> You punctuated it fine. If the name is a biblical one, or similar, you drop
> the final s, as in "Jesus' teachings."
--
http://www.readwriteweb.com/about#tyler
Ask me anything <http://tumble.pdxbrain.com/ask>!
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
On 16 Sep 2010, at 01:25, Tyler Gillies <ty...@pdxbrain.com> wrote:
> I like chris's [ how do you punctuate that?] ...
You punctuated it fine. If the name is a biblical one, or similar, you drop the final s, as in "Jesus' teachings."
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Tyler Gillies <ty...@pdxbrain.com>.
The only real way to get around the continual load in using a "patch" My
implementation is to first request a 404 page and then request a real page.
I like chris's [ how do you punctuate that?] way of doing it better.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How is that other sites the user ajax and longpoll does not keep the page
> loading forever?
> the setTimeout look like a patch, working one, but still a patch.
>
> Ido
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I have to say that Focus really works much better.
> > > Both in desktop browser and in the iPhone the site now loaded and
> update
> > in
> > > the background.
> > > If you can explain what you did different in little more detail it will
> > be
> > > great.
> > >
> >
> > There is a lot different, the big change is here, I think:
> >
> > http://github.com/couchone/Focus/blob/master/_attachments/index.html#L30
> >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Ido
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
> > >> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
> > >> application
> > >> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
> > >> >
> > >> > It is the taskr application from github.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a
> > setTimeout
> > >>
> > >> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >> > Ido
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <
> bchesneau@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> >> > Hi,
> > >> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something
> > not
> > >> so
> > >> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long
> > polling
> > >> on
> > >> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> > >> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
> > >> annoying.
> > >> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat
> less
> > >> >> obvious.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thank you,
> > >> >> > Ido
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> longpoll or continuous ?
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Chris Anderson
> > >> http://jchrisa.net
> > >> http://couch.io
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Anderson
> > http://jchrisa.net
> > http://couch.io
> >
>
--
http://www.readwriteweb.com/about#tyler
Ask me anything <http://tumble.pdxbrain.com/ask>!
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com>.
How is that other sites the user ajax and longpoll does not keep the page
loading forever?
the setTimeout look like a patch, working one, but still a patch.
Ido
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I have to say that Focus really works much better.
> > Both in desktop browser and in the iPhone the site now loaded and update
> in
> > the background.
> > If you can explain what you did different in little more detail it will
> be
> > great.
> >
>
> There is a lot different, the big change is here, I think:
>
> http://github.com/couchone/Focus/blob/master/_attachments/index.html#L30
>
> > Thank you,
> > Ido
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
> >> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
> >> application
> >> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
> >> >
> >> > It is the taskr application from github.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a
> setTimeout
> >>
> >> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >> > Ido
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > Hi,
> >> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something
> not
> >> so
> >> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long
> polling
> >> on
> >> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> >> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
> >> annoying.
> >> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
> >> >> obvious.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you,
> >> >> > Ido
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> longpoll or continuous ?
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Anderson
> >> http://jchrisa.net
> >> http://couch.io
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have to say that Focus really works much better.
> Both in desktop browser and in the iPhone the site now loaded and update in
> the background.
> If you can explain what you did different in little more detail it will be
> great.
>
There is a lot different, the big change is here, I think:
http://github.com/couchone/Focus/blob/master/_attachments/index.html#L30
> Thank you,
> Ido
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
>> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
>> application
>> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
>> >
>> > It is the taskr application from github.
>> >
>>
>> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a setTimeout
>>
>> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> > Ido
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Hi,
>> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not
>> so
>> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling
>> on
>> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
>> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
>> annoying.
>> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
>> >> obvious.
>> >> >
>> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you,
>> >> > Ido
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> longpoll or continuous ?
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Anderson
>> http://jchrisa.net
>> http://couch.io
>>
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I have to say that Focus really works much better.
Both in desktop browser and in the iPhone the site now loaded and update in
the background.
If you can explain what you did different in little more detail it will be
great.
Thank you,
Ido
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:06 PM, Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
> > I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same
> application
> > on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
> >
> > It is the taskr application from github.
> >
>
> I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a setTimeout
>
> try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
>
> Chris
>
> > Ido
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bchesneau@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not
> so
> >> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling
> on
> >> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> >> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty
> annoying.
> >> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
> >> obvious.
> >> >
> >> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Ido
> >> >
> >>
> >> longpoll or continuous ?
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Anderson
> http://jchrisa.net
> http://couch.io
>
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Chris Anderson <jc...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
> I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same application
> on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
>
> It is the taskr application from github.
>
I tried to fix this in Focus, by wrapping the entire thing in a setTimeout
try: http://github.com/couchone/Focus and see if it is any better.
Chris
> Ido
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not so
>> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling on
>> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
>> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty annoying.
>> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
>> obvious.
>> >
>> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Ido
>> >
>>
>> longpoll or continuous ?
>>
>
--
Chris Anderson
http://jchrisa.net
http://couch.io
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com>.
I'm not an expert, but I think it is longpoll.
I can see the parameter in the querystring when I run the same application
on CouchDBX.app on my local machine.
It is the taskr application from github.
Ido
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not so
> > good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling on
> > the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> > Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty annoying.
> > If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less
> obvious.
> >
> > Can someone think of a clever solution?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Ido
> >
>
> longpoll or continuous ?
>
Re: iPhone Safari and CouchDB Website
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Ido Ran <id...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I've try to view my CouchApp using my iPhone and found something not so
> good: Because CouchApp use _changes feature of CouchDB by long polling on
> the server the address bar of the iPhone Safari never goes away.
> Most users will not understand why it is and frankly it pretty annoying.
> If also happen on any desktop browser but there it is somewhat less obvious.
>
> Can someone think of a clever solution?
>
> Thank you,
> Ido
>
longpoll or continuous ?