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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by markwolk <no...@nzst.co.nz> on 2006/06/23 21:50:20 UTC
RE: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK
_NONAME
Chris Santerre wrote:
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: markwolk [mailto:nobble@nzst.co.nz]
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 5:53 AM
>> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
>> Subject: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,
>> RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello to all,
>>
>> I am always worried that a potentially important customer
>> will not get the
>> email I am sending him and I like to double-check that I am sending my
>> emails the proper way. All my domains have SPF records. I
>> send and receive
>> test emails regularly to check that everything works OK.
>>
>> Recently I noticed that most test emails I am sending to
>> various accounts
>> arrive with the mentions MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,
>> RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME and have often high spam scores.
>>
>> How can I send emails that do not trigger these remarks?
>>
>> I use Outlook Express 6 and all of my IE is 100% legal and constantly
>> updated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mark Wolk
>> New Zealand Splendeur Tours Ltd
>> http://nzst.co.nz
>
> I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and that this is just you trying to
> be a perfectionist due to your swedish watchmaking gene. ;)
>
> What version of SA are you testing it with?
>
> Try sending a test using a different email program, like thunderbird.
>
> --Chris
>
>
Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I am by no means a spammer; I
send an average of 40 mails a day, most replies to enquiries and regular
day-to-day correspondence.
Worrying about being mistaken for a spammer is more than watchmaker's
perfectionism when I see that the spam scores of messages I sent from myself
to myself as a test are around 5.8, whereas the default threshold on
Mailsnare is 7. That means my mails (replies to enquiries - not spam!) are
very close to being mistaken for spam - a worrying possibility given that my
average sale is ca $35,000.
I use mailsnare.net and runbox.com services to send and receive my messages.
My domains have a catchall that redirects (forwards) at DNS level
(dnspark.net is my DNS host) all mails to my Mailsnare and Runbox boxes.
I have performed tests sending emails from one of my domains using OE6,
either by Mailsnare or Runbox SMTP, to another of my domains.
Messages received by Mailsnare arrive with the following
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9 tests=BAYES_00,
MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS
Messages received by Runbox arrive with the following
X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_DOLLARS,
PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
I have also tried to send a message via Mailsnare's webmail interface and it
scored 0:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
version=3.0.3
Also messages sent from my domains directly to my Mailsnare and Runbox
addresses score 0.
So it would seem I have a problem with my Outlook Express or other Explorer
settings, which, when used together with mail forward ("Mail guiding" as
called by DNSPark) trigger these Spamassassin filters. I am not really
willing to swap OE for another client, but I'd prefer to know how to avoid
these potential problems. Any ideas?
Regards,
Mark Wolk
New Zealand Splendeur Tours
http://nzst.co.nz
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK
_NONAME
Posted by markwolk <no...@nzst.co.nz>.
Michael Monnerie-4 wrote:
>
> On Samstag, 24. Juni 2006 00:49 markwolk wrote:
>> X-Priority: 3
>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869
>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message
>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
>> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
>> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9
>> tests=BAYES_00, MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,
>> RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: *****
>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Inbound message
>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> There's no X-Mailer header, as said before. You must find out where it
> is deleted. Send me an e-mail directly. And look at e-mails you got
> from others, if any has an "X-Mailer" header.
>
> Also, your e-mail is scanned twice, obviously in and outgoing. For this
> reason, I need your PM to me.
>
> And third, why don't you set the MX of guidedvacation.com directly to
> mailsnare's MX? That would prevent the jump around:
>
> Received: from pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (tx167-pf1.mx.dnspark.net
> [66.179.171.167])
> by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F81D01AD
> for <<m...@mailsnare.net>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:24 +0000
> (UTC)
> Received: from mail.mailsnare.net (v187.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.187])
> by pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927981D704
> for <<s...@guidedvacation.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:19
> -0500 (CDT)
>
> mfg zmi
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>
Wow, Michael, many thanks for having examined my email headers in private.
You must be correct; mail forwarding is no longer an option; I will look
into setting the MX record straight into my Mailsnare or other account
(Runbox or Tuffmail are also 2 other good services).
With my reiterated thanks,
Kind regards,
Mark Wolk
New Zealand Splendeur Tours
http://nzst.co.nz
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK _NONAME
Posted by Michael Monnerie <mi...@it-management.at>.
On Samstag, 24. Juni 2006 00:49 markwolk wrote:
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869
> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9
> tests=BAYES_00, MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,
> RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS X-Spam-Level: *****
> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Inbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
There's no X-Mailer header, as said before. You must find out where it
is deleted. Send me an e-mail directly. And look at e-mails you got
from others, if any has an "X-Mailer" header.
Also, your e-mail is scanned twice, obviously in and outgoing. For this
reason, I need your PM to me.
And third, why don't you set the MX of guidedvacation.com directly to
mailsnare's MX? That would prevent the jump around:
Received: from pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (tx167-pf1.mx.dnspark.net
[66.179.171.167])
by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F81D01AD
for <<m...@mailsnare.net>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:24 +0000
(UTC)
Received: from mail.mailsnare.net (v187.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.187])
by pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927981D704
for <<s...@guidedvacation.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:19
-0500 (CDT)
mfg zmi
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK _NONAME
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "markwolk" <no...@nzst.co.nz>
>
>
> Michael Monnerie-4 wrote:
>>
>> So basically only your headers are munged. Could you please show a
>> message you sent yourself with all headers? Can you verify what could
>> destroy/modify your headers?
>
> Hi Michael, Thanks for offering your help. Here is an example of an email
> sent from myself to myself, from <somename>@tours2malaysia.com to
> <somename>@guidedvacation.com using Mailsnare's SMTP and POP. A similar
> result would occur when sending and receiving using Runbox's SMTP and POP.
Look for these headers below:
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869
Notice that the third one is missing. Figure out why it is missing
and you are on your way home.
{^_^}
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Return-Path: <<s...@tours2malaysia.com>
> X-Original-To: <myaccount>@mailsnare.net
> X-Country-code: US
> X-Country-code: US
> Received: from pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (tx167-pf1.mx.dnspark.net
> [66.179.171.167])
> by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F81D01AD
> for <<m...@mailsnare.net>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:24 +0000 (UTC)
> Received: from mail.mailsnare.net (v187.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.187])
> by pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927981D704
> for <<s...@guidedvacation.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:19 -0500 (CDT)
> X-Country-code: NZ
> X-Country-code: NZ
> Received: from Laptop (60-234-228-32.bitstream.orcon.net.nz [60.234.228.32])
> by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451127A04;
> Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:09 +0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <00...@Laptop>
> From: "MS Mark Wolk T2M" <<s...@tours2malaysia.com>
> To: "1Mark Wolk" <<s...@guidedvacation.com>
> Subject: Test Saturday 24 June 2006 - 10:36
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:37:07 +1200
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> X-Priority: 3
> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869
> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
> X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9 tests=BAYES_00,
> MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS
> X-Spam-Level: *****
> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Inbound message
> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> I own both domains www.tours2malaysia.com and www.guidedvacation.com .
> Mailsnare is my email service; DNSPark my DNS host for these domains, and
> orcon.net.nz is my ISP here in New Zealand.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark Wolk
> New Zealand Splendeur Tours
> http://nzst.co.nz
>
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK
_NONAME
Posted by markwolk <no...@nzst.co.nz>.
Michael Monnerie-4 wrote:
>
> So basically only your headers are munged. Could you please show a
> message you sent yourself with all headers? Can you verify what could
> destroy/modify your headers?
Hi Michael, Thanks for offering your help. Here is an example of an email
sent from myself to myself, from <somename>@tours2malaysia.com to
<somename>@guidedvacation.com using Mailsnare's SMTP and POP. A similar
result would occur when sending and receiving using Runbox's SMTP and POP.
----------------------------------------------------
Return-Path: <<s...@tours2malaysia.com>
X-Original-To: <myaccount>@mailsnare.net
X-Country-code: US
X-Country-code: US
Received: from pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (tx167-pf1.mx.dnspark.net
[66.179.171.167])
by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F81D01AD
for <<m...@mailsnare.net>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:24 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail.mailsnare.net (v187.mailsnare.net [206.246.200.187])
by pathfinder.mx.dnspark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927981D704
for <<s...@guidedvacation.com>; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:19 -0500 (CDT)
X-Country-code: NZ
X-Country-code: NZ
Received: from Laptop (60-234-228-32.bitstream.orcon.net.nz [60.234.228.32])
by mail.mailsnare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451127A04;
Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:38:09 +0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <00...@Laptop>
From: "MS Mark Wolk T2M" <<s...@tours2malaysia.com>
To: "1Mark Wolk" <<s...@guidedvacation.com>
Subject: Test Saturday 24 June 2006 - 10:36
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:37:07 +1200
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain;
format=flowed;
charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Outbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
X-Virus-Scanned: by ClamAV at mailsnare.net
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9 tests=BAYES_00,
MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS
X-Spam-Level: *****
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0625-7, 06/23/2006), Inbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
----------------------------------------------------
I own both domains www.tours2malaysia.com and www.guidedvacation.com .
Mailsnare is my email service; DNSPark my DNS host for these domains, and
orcon.net.nz is my ISP here in New Zealand.
Regards,
Mark Wolk
New Zealand Splendeur Tours
http://nzst.co.nz
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK _NONAME
Posted by Michael Monnerie <mi...@it-management.at>.
On Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 21:50 markwolk wrote:
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9
> tests=BAYES_00, MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME,
> RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS
I've looked in the rules:
RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME hits (among others) when
no "X-Mailer" header exists.
MSGID_DOLLARS hits when (__OUTLOOK_DOLLARS_MSGID
&& !__HAS_OUTLOOK_IN_MAILER && !__UNUSABLE_MSGID), where
__HAS_OUTLOOK_IN_MAILER again searches the "X-Mailer" header, and hits
because its not there.
PRIORITY_NO_NAME hits when you have X-MSMail-Priority and X-Priority
Headers, and no sign of a standard e-mail client (!__HAS_X_MAILER
&& !__IS_EXCH && !__USER_AGENT && !__X_NEWSREADER).
So basically only your headers are munged. Could you please show a
message you sent yourself with all headers? Can you verify what could
destroy/modify your headers?
mfg zmi
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// Tel: 0660/4156531 .network.your.ideas.
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Re: How to avoid MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK
_NONAME
Posted by Stuart Johnston <st...@ebby.com>.
markwolk wrote:
> Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt. I am by no means a spammer; I
> send an average of 40 mails a day, most replies to enquiries and regular
> day-to-day correspondence.
>
> Worrying about being mistaken for a spammer is more than watchmaker's
> perfectionism when I see that the spam scores of messages I sent from myself
> to myself as a test are around 5.8, whereas the default threshold on
> Mailsnare is 7. That means my mails (replies to enquiries - not spam!) are
> very close to being mistaken for spam - a worrying possibility given that my
> average sale is ca $35,000.
>
> I use mailsnare.net and runbox.com services to send and receive my messages.
> My domains have a catchall that redirects (forwards) at DNS level
> (dnspark.net is my DNS host) all mails to my Mailsnare and Runbox boxes.
>
> I have performed tests sending emails from one of my domains using OE6,
> either by Mailsnare or Runbox SMTP, to another of my domains.
>
> Messages received by Mailsnare arrive with the following
>
> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.892 tagged_above=3 required=9 tests=BAYES_00,
> MSGID_DOLLARS, PRIORITY_NO_NAME, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME, SPF_PASS
>
> Messages received by Runbox arrive with the following
>
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.3 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_DOLLARS,
> PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.3
>
> I have also tried to send a message via Mailsnare's webmail interface and it
> scored 0:
>
> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled
> version=3.0.3
>
> Also messages sent from my domains directly to my Mailsnare and Runbox
> addresses score 0.
>
> So it would seem I have a problem with my Outlook Express or other Explorer
> settings, which, when used together with mail forward ("Mail guiding" as
> called by DNSPark) trigger these Spamassassin filters. I am not really
> willing to swap OE for another client, but I'd prefer to know how to avoid
> these potential problems. Any ideas?
Looks like something is stripping your X-Mailer header.