[VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[pn...@scancoin.se]

Hi,
I have seen a lot of activity on this list, and received a lot of help from 
Steven both here at dev, on the users list and via ICQ, and I believe others

have experienced the same.

Steven seems to be the most active person on this project, but he is 
apparently sending in lots of patches that Niclas applies, plus there is a 
whole lot in his local copy of Avalon that I don't see around and would like

to get in, as I think everyone else would, too. That would ease the process 
of finding things that he has not already done or thought of ;)

I asked Niclas about it and he recommended to start a vote on changing this.

I have heard some stories about politics at Avalon, but being new, ignorant 
and only interested in the technical aspect of Merlin/Avalon, I think
Stephen 
would be a major asset for the project to activate more, if he wants.

So, the purpose of this vote is to give Stephen McConnell a more active role

in the projects code base by granting him committer status.

[ ] yes
[ ] no
[ ] abstain


Cheers

/peter

Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Alex Karasulu <ao...@bellsouth.net>]

Peter,

All the points you made have merit and I do not refute any of them.

Stephan resigned his committership to defuse a very heated situation. 
Since this all happened on the PMC list this is all I shall say.  Right
now its a real PITA for Niclas and others to have to apply these patches
since Steve is by far the most active committer.  However the current
situation is perhaps at best maintained as-is until the board decides
upon Metro.

I would rather see the smooth approval of Metro rather than deal with a
reaction to seeing Stephan commit again: he himself would probably want
the same thing.  If Metro is approved, Steve can be a committer there
where he can maintain and support the community best when isolated from
Avalon.  This keeps attacks and infighting to a minimum.  I cannot
afford another shitstorm as LSD so accurately referred to it:

-1 

Alex




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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[hammett <ha...@uol.com.br>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pn...@scancoin.se>

> So, the purpose of this vote is to give Stephen McConnell a more active
role
> in the projects code base by granting him committer status.
>
> [ ] yes
> [ ] no
> [ ] abstain

Everybody knows Steve's techinal skills, this is not the case here. Let's
have more patience and wait for the Metro Proposal. If the metro don't pass,
then we can issue this vote again, under a different light.


Cheers,
hammett


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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Cameron Fieber <cf...@selkirksystems.com>]

On Sat, 2004-09-11 at 22:24, pnb@scancoin.se wrote:
> Hi,
> I have seen a lot of activity on this list, and received a lot of help from 
> Steven both here at dev, on the users list and via ICQ, and I believe others
> 
> have experienced the same.
> 
> Steven seems to be the most active person on this project, but he is 
> apparently sending in lots of patches that Niclas applies, plus there is a 
> whole lot in his local copy of Avalon that I don't see around and would like
> 
> to get in, as I think everyone else would, too. That would ease the process 
> of finding things that he has not already done or thought of ;)
> 
> I asked Niclas about it and he recommended to start a vote on changing this.
> 
> I have heard some stories about politics at Avalon, but being new, ignorant 
> and only interested in the technical aspect of Merlin/Avalon, I think
> Stephen 
> would be a major asset for the project to activate more, if he wants.
> 
> So, the purpose of this vote is to give Stephen McConnell a more active role
> 
> in the projects code base by granting him committer status.
> 
> [ ] yes
> [ ] no
> [ ] abstain
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> /peter

[X] yes
[ ] no
[ ] abstain
> 
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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Paul Hammant <Pa...@Hammant.org>]

>[ ] yes
>[ ] no
>[ ] abstain
>  
>
I'm allowed to vote under Apache rules (I commit there I vote), but in 
line with my original assurance to only commit to cornerstone etc, I'm 
going to abstain.

Traditionally this is represented as a +/-0  :-) rather than  an X in a 
box :-)

- Paul

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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Leif Mortenson <le...@tanukisoftware.com>]

Stephen being a smart guy and active developer was not the issue that 
let to him resigning
his commit status.   No reason to rehash all of the reasons.   Can we 
wait and see what
happens with the "Metro" TLP?   If that is rejected then lets bring this 
up again.

This time around, I am -1.

Cheers,
Leif

pnb@scancoin.se wrote:

>Hi,
>I have seen a lot of activity on this list, and received a lot of help from 
>Steven both here at dev, on the users list and via ICQ, and I believe others
>
>have experienced the same.
>
>Steven seems to be the most active person on this project, but he is 
>apparently sending in lots of patches that Niclas applies, plus there is a 
>whole lot in his local copy of Avalon that I don't see around and would like
>
>to get in, as I think everyone else would, too. That would ease the process 
>of finding things that he has not already done or thought of ;)
>
>I asked Niclas about it and he recommended to start a vote on changing this.
>
>I have heard some stories about politics at Avalon, but being new, ignorant 
>and only interested in the technical aspect of Merlin/Avalon, I think
>Stephen 
>would be a major asset for the project to activate more, if he wants.
>
>So, the purpose of this vote is to give Stephen McConnell a more active role
>
>in the projects code base by granting him committer status.
>
>[ ] yes
>[ ] no
>[ ] abstain
>
>
>Cheers
>
>/peter
>  
>
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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Leo Sutic <le...@gmail.com>]

So what happened to the Metro TLP? It was my understanding that Merlin
development would proceed on the Metro TLP, and not here.

-1 from me, since a +1 would mean we would go back to a previous state
of the community - a state that didn't work then, may work now, but
that I have no interest in testing. (And would furthermore be seen as
a breach of the silent agreement reached at the end of the last
shitstorm to hit this community.)

/LS

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:29:40 +0800, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Sunday 12 September 2004 13:24, pnb@scancoin.se wrote:
> 
> > I asked Niclas about it and he recommended to start a vote on changing
> > this.
> 
> It is not easy to provide a motivation for;
> 
> 1. ASF being a meritocracy,
> 2. the technically most merited person of Merlin is not a committer,
> 3. only slowing down the progress of the platform.
> 
> Therefor, I gave the recommendation to open the vote.
> 
> My pretty obvious vote,
> [x] yes
> [ ] no
> [ ] abstain
> 
> Cheers
> Niclas
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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>]

On Sunday 12 September 2004 13:24, pnb@scancoin.se wrote:

> I asked Niclas about it and he recommended to start a vote on changing
> this.

It is not easy to provide a motivation for;

1. ASF being a meritocracy,
2. the technically most merited person of Merlin is not a committer,
3. only slowing down the progress of the platform.

Therefor, I gave the recommendation to open the vote.

My pretty obvious vote,
 [x] yes
 [ ] no
 [ ] abstain


Cheers
Niclas
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Re: [VOTE] Stephen McConnell as a committer

[J Aaron Farr <fa...@apache.org>]

pnb@scancoin.se wrote:
> I have heard some stories about politics at Avalon, but being new, ignorant 
> and only interested in the technical aspect of Merlin/Avalon, I think
> Stephen 
> would be a major asset for the project to activate more, if he wants.
> So, the purpose of this vote is to give Stephen McConnell a more active role
> in the projects code base by granting him committer status.

I wanted to give some closure to this vote.

As for myself I agree completely with Leif.  I move that the vote is 
tabled and we wait for the Board decision on the Metro TLP which will 
occur this Wednesday.  If for some reason the TLP proposal is postponed 
or rejected, then we should reopen this vote.

I appreciate Niclas's work in applying the patches for Stephen.  I 
applied a few myself early on, but haven't had much time lately.  One 
trouble is that since the patches are showing up in the mailing list 
instead of JIRA there's no way to know what got patched and what didn't 
unless you also watch the SVN commit logs.  So it might be easier if 
Stephen used JIRA to submit the patches, that way we could be sure they 
get committed.  That's only my suggestion though.  If the mailing list 
approach is working, then there's no pressing reason to change.

jaaron

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